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Laxpunk2006

Defensive Line Draft History (Rebuttal to WR)

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There are currently two threads on the first page pointing to WR being a high bust rate showing evidence as to why we should not draft a WR in the first round. I thought it would be appropriate to make similar threads regarding DE's drafted the past few years. I have omitted the 06 and 07 drafts to allow time for development. I think it is unfair to judge players their first or second years as they can take time to develop to the pro game, or could be stuck behind current stars.

2005

Erasmus James- Safe to call him a bust? 5 sacks in 3 years

Marcus Spears- Same deal. Little bit different as he is a 3-4 guy but 4.5 sacks is subpar

Luis Castillo- Another 3-4 guy, except he is good. A+ pick

Travis Johnson- 1 career sack and 78 tackles in 3 years.

Mike Patterson- I like him as a player, pretty good kid and still developing

2004

Will Smith- Great player

Kenechi Udeze- Not a great player, recently is having health issues.

Tommie Harris- Great Player

Marcus Tubbs- Had a pretty good 05 season. Played only 5 games in 06 and not at all last season. I can only assume it was an injury as I do not follow Seattle

2003

Kevin Williams- Great inside player

Ty Warren- Had a monster 06 season. Solid player but not star status.

Michael Haynes- Who? Out of the league

Jerome McDougal- Out of the league, but in his defense he was shot.

Calvin Pace- Okay, not great

Tyler Brayton- Bust

Dewayne Robertson- Solid at best, on the verge of bust status

Jonathan Sullivan- Bust

Jimmy Kennedy- Bust

William Joseph- Good but not great player

2002

Julius Peppers- Off year in 07, still a star

Dwight Freeney- Great player

Bryan Thomas- Who? Looked him up and he had a good 06 with 8.5 sacks but has never had more than 3.5 in another season

Charles Grant- Great Player

Ryan Sims- Bust

John Henderson- Stud

Wendell Bryant- Bust, out of the league

Albert Haynesworth- Headcase but a great player

2001

Justin Smith- Not a sack artist but a good DE nonetheless

Andre Carter- I think he's a stud

Jamaal Reynolds- Bust, out of league

Gerard Warren- Became a solid but not great player

Richard Seymour- Great player

Daimone Lewis- Bust

Marcus Stroud- Great player

Ryan Pickett- Poor St. Louis, two busts in one draft

2000

Courtney Brown- Couldn't stay healthy. Bust status achieved

Shaun Ellis- Good player

Erik Flowers- Not familiar, and couldn't find stats

Corey Simon- Stud pre-injury

Chris Hovan- Up and down career, I'll call him good

Out of 40 defensive lineman chosen between 2000-2005

I count 17 busts, and I think about 12 are great players. In no way do I think this means we should go WR or should go DE, I'm still in the BPA camp. I thought this may be interesting to look at.

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On the same note (I agree with you):

Michael Strahan - Round 2

Osi Umenyiora - Round 2

Jason Tuck - Round 5

Jared Allen - Round 4

Aaron Schobel - Round 2

Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila - Round 5

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I think it's safe to say that they're busts at every position every draft year.

It is up to our HO and scouting coaches to weed out the bad to find that golden egg.

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I think it's safe to say that they're busts at every position every draft year.

It is up to our HO and scouting coaches to weed out the bad to find that golden egg.

That's really what I was trying to get at with this. If it were as simple as picking a certain position for each round they wouldn't need scouts and GM's.

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Well done Laxpunk. The draft is a crap shoot, regardless of the round. Of course, usually the higher a player is drafted, the greater the probability of success. But, that might only be because the team has a vested interest in that player's success, so they give him a lot of time to grow.

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Nice List. I think you nailed the majority of the players. Ryan Pickett is a solid NT for Green Bay, I wouldn't classify him as a bust, but just an average player.

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This is why I definitely think we should take Brandon Albert at 21 if he's on the board, no question. Super safe pick and he's going to be a complete baller more than likely. CB is also very safe in the 1st round usually I'm pretty sure. Save the d-linemen and the WR's for Rounds 2 and up. History usually repeats itself, especially with the Skins' awesome history at drafting receivers in the first round.

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I think the teams that draft the best player available instead based on need. I think thats what we did last year with Landry and it seems to be working out well barring injury he is on the fast track to being a great Safety.

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On the same note (I agree with you):

Michael Strahan - Round 2

Osi Umenyiora - Round 2

Jason Tuck - Round 5

Jared Allen - Round 4

Aaron Schobel - Round 2

Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila - Round 5

Everyone ignore that list.

We need a DE in the 1st Round. Do not let that list sway your opinion. Only queers want anything but a DE in the 1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th, and 7th Rounds.

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Using draft history to support a player/position in a upcoming draft is pretty stupid.

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I'm confused...I thought that WR's in the 1st were guaranteed busts and DL's were 100% guaranteed studs...weird...

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Since there are so many busts in the 1st round, shouldn't we just trade away our 1st rounder every year? :whoknows:

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Since there are so many busts in the 1st round, shouldn't we just trade away our 1st rounder every year? :whoknows:

We should this year IMO. Lot's of talent in rounds 2-4, Vinny already said he would like to if we can find a partner.

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I agree with this, but now if we can't draft WR and DE at 1st round, the question is what do you suggest??

To be honest, I would just say that only a few players drafted at 1st round will become stars in the NFL. You could have that kinda thread for just every positions.

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