Anybody following our next war? In South America??

[JMS]

If this heats up we will be in there pretty quickly. No way do we let Chavez take out Columbia. Besides FARC is currently holding American hostages.. We hate those ****s too.

South America on brink of war

March 3, 2008

By Martin Arostegui - SANTA CRUZ, Bolivia — South America was on the brink of war yesterday as Venezuela and Ecuador amassed troops on the Colombian border in response to the killing of a Marxist rebel leader.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez threatened to join the rebels in a war to overthrow hard-line Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, a key ally of the United States, deploying tanks, fighter jets and thousands of troops along the Colombian border.

Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa also ordered troops to the border, expelled Colombia's ambassador and recalled its ambassador to Bogota, but left its embassy open. Venezuela closed its embassy in Colombia and ordered all diplomats home.

A weekend battle sparked the mobilization, in which Colombian forces killed a top leader of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), in a camp in Ecuador.

"The obsessive conduct of those who prize the military option sharpens the armed conflict with grave possible consequences" read a statement from Venezuela's Foreign Ministry after the weekend killing of FARC's second in command, Raul Reyes.

On his weekly Sunday talk show "Hello President," Mr. Chavez accused Colombia of "invading" Ecuador, and compared the action to Israeli attacks against Palestinians.

"The Colombian government has become the Israel of Latin America," Mr. Chavez said. He called Colombia a "terrorist" state and its president, Mr. Uribe, a criminal; "Dracula's fangs are covered in blood."

Mr. Correa said Colombia deliberately carried out the strike beyond its borders. "There is no justification," he said last night, snubbing an earlier announcement from Colombia that it would apologize for the incursion.

Colombia's government said yesterday documents found in a jungle camp in Ecuador where Colombia troops killed Mr. Reyes showed ties between the FARC rebels and Mr. Correa, including contacts with his government about political proposals.

Police Cmdr. Gen. Oscar Naranjo said documents found in computers belonging to Mr. Reyes showed contacts between a top Correa government minister and the FARC commander to discuss political proposals and projects on the frontier.

"The questions raised by these documents need concrete answers," Gen. Naranjo said. "What is the state of relations between the Ecuadorean government and a terrorist group like the FARC."

Mr. Uribe has often accused the FARC of using Venezuelan and Ecuadorean territory as safe havens from military attacks.

Mr. Chavez has been trying to negotiate a prisoner exchange between the Colombian government and FARC, which holds hundreds of hostages including three American contractors and former presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt.

He has brokered the recent release of seven hostages thus far, including four late last month.

During yesterday's television appearance, Mr. Chavez appeared to side with FARC's four decade effort to oust the government and establish a revolutionary state.

"Someday Colombia will be freed from the hand of the [u.S.] empire," Mr. Chavez said. "We have to liberate Colombia."

In another rhetorical flourish, he gave orders to Venezuela's military as millions watched on TV.

"Mr. Defense Minister, move 10 battalions to the border with Colombia for me, immediately — tank battalions, deploy the air force," Mr. Chavez said. "We don't want war, but we aren't going to permit the U.S. empire, which is the master ... to come divide us."

Estimates of the number of troops in 10 Venezuelan battalions ranged from 3,000 to 6,000.

Yesterday's threat pushes already tense relations between the South American neighbors to their lowest point since Mr. Chavez took power in 1999, vowing to make Venezuela a revolutionary socialist state.

Speaking in Texas, U.S. National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said officials were monitoring the situation.

"This is an odd reaction by Venezuela to Colombia's efforts against the FARC, a terrorist organization that continues to hold Colombians, Americans and others hostage," Mr. Johndroe said.

Colombia denied it violated Ecuador's sovereignty but acknowledged attacking the camp maintained on Ecuadorean soil by FARC.

"The terrorists, among them Raul Reyes, have had the custom of killing in Colombia and taking refuge in the territory of neighboring countries. Many times Colombia has suffered from this situation," Colombia's Foreign Ministry said.

In addition to Mr. Reyes, 16 Colombian rebels died in the attack.

U.S. Embassy spokeswoman Suzanne Hall, in Bogota, would not comment on possible American involvement in the operation that led to Mr. Reyes' death.

"This is a government of Colombia operation," she said. "Talk to the government of Colombia for any operational details."

Mr. Correa said Colombia's military violated Ecuadorean airspace and entered to carry away Mr. Reyes' body.

Mr. Reyes, 59, whose real name is Luis Edgar Devia Silva, had been mentioned as a favorite to succeed aging leader Manuel "Sureshot" Marulanda.

His death marks the biggest single victory since Mr. Uribe took office in 2002 with a vow to defeat the rebels. He has received billions of dollars in U.S. military aid.

Colombia has already carried out limited operations against FARC sanctuaries in Venezuela.

In 2004, an undercover team snatched the group's "chancellor," Rodrigo Granda, from Caracas. In another incident last year, two Colombian soldiers were killed while on an intelligence mission along the border of both countries.

While the Colombian army is numerically superior and is thought to be better trained than Venezuela's, Mr. Chavez's recent acquisition of 53 Russian combat helicopters and 24 Sukhoi SU 30 warplanes potentially gives him air superiority, military analysts say.

• This article is based in part on wire service reports.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080303/FOREIGN/933500764/1001

[GibbsFactor]

We are wasting our time with these petty squabbles. The real resources are in Russia. That's where we need to be invading!

[Predicto]

I am pretty sure this is just posturing.

Correa needs to focus on an external enemy to rouse the patriotic feelings of the populace and consolidate his Equadoran "people's revolution" (and distract the people from what a crappy job he is doing). He has decided that Columbia is that threat. And of course, the ******** Chavez is backing him up, because Correa is Chavez's puppet.

Don't think it is going to go any further. Neither of them wants to take on Columbia (and us) for real.

[HOF44]

You gotta give it to that Chavez though, he comes up with some wild quotes. :doh:

[GibbsFactor]

I am pretty sure this is just posturing.

Correa needs to focus on an external enemy to rouse the patriotic feelings of the populace and consolidate his Equadoran "people's revolution" (and distract the people from what a crappy job he is doing). He has decided that Columbia is that threat. And of course, the ******** Chavez is backing him up, because Correa is Chavez's puppet.

Don't think it is going to go any further. Neither of them wants to take on Columbia (and us) for real.

Never know, war is good for the drug industry. :2cents:

[No_Pressure]

We need to stay the hell out of that.

[Predicto]

We need to stay the hell out of that.

If they invade Columbia, we will get involved. The all-important War on Drugs requires it.

[Fifty Gut]

If they invade Columbia, we will get involved. The all-important War on Drugs requires it.

:laugh: Hilarious.

Screw SA, useless continent, what happens down there is none of our business.

[Koolblue13]

Legalize Pot and Coke. Save billions on prisons. Save billions on the WoD. Save billions on funds sent south. Remove the power of the Rebels and give it to thier gov'ts.

It is that ****ing simple. Save ourselves billions of dollars that we need and stop condoning the murders caused by the flow of US dollars.

[GibbsFactor]

Legalize Pot and Coke. Save billions on prisons. Save billions on the WoD. Save billions on funds sent south. Remove the power of the Rebels and give it to thier gov'ts.

It is that ****ing simple. Save ourselves billions of dollars that we need and stop condoning the murders caused by the flow of US dollars.

What about the jobs created by the war on drugs, the power over the people, the ability to lock anyone up?

It should be that simple.

[Koolblue13]

What about the jobs created by the war on drugs, the power over the people, the ability to lock anyone up?

It should be that simple.

Exactly, it's a no brainer. Unfortunitly the only canidate who has spoken about this is a "loon".

[Predicto]

Exactly, it's a no brainer. Unfortunitly the only canidate who has spoken about this is a "loon".

Paul definitely is not a "loon."

about this one subject

[Koolblue13]

Cute, real cute.

[Destino]

Screw SA, useless continent

Well screw you too pal.

[Mickalino]

:laugh: Hilarious.

Screw SA, useless continent, what happens down there is none of our business.

Oil and Cocaine are very much our business

[Predicto]

Screw SA, useless continent,

Ummm No.

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[GibbsFactor]

I wouldn't mind whipping some Chavez ass. He wants to talk a little smack, I say we punch him in the mouth.

What's down there we can exploit?

[Oldskool]

You gotta give it to that Chavez though, he comes up with some wild quotes. :doh:

He learned from the best (Castro).

[Oldskool]

I wouldn't mind whipping some Chavez ass. He wants to talk a little smack, I say we punch him in the mouth.

What's down there we can exploit?

You mean besides his Oil?

[Predicto]

I wouldn't mind whipping some Chavez ass. He wants to talk a little smack, I say we punch him in the mouth.

What's down there we can exploit?

A buttload of oil, actually.

[GibbsFactor]

A buttload of oil, actually.

Exactly. So let's get going. I mean, when was the last time we flexxed in our own hemisphere?

[Mickalino]

Exactly. So let's get going. I mean, when was the last time we flexxed in our own hemisphere?

Exactly, we can use nearby Cuba, Guantanamo Bay as a launching pad for bombers.

[Predicto]

Exactly. So let's get going. I mean, when was the last time we flexxed in our own hemisphere?

Panama? Or Grenada?

[GibbsFactor]

Panama? Or Grenada?

20 years is a long time my friend.

See, I'm like this. If we are to be this evol empire the rest of the world says we are, shouldn't we start acting like it?

We are getting challenges from every corner of the world. Screw it, since we are apparently all so bold, let's step up to the plate.

I mean our current mission isn't wielding too many results. We refuse to take the advise of our founders. Let's just slap them down there. Shut that hate spewing Chaves up for once and for all and take their damn oil while we are at it.

And why the hell aren't we taking Iraq's oil profit? What good is taking over a country if we aren't benefiting from it?

[mjah]

Bush and the now-extinct neocon "movement" had their eye on Venezuela back in 2000. Had 9/11 not happened -- or even if it had, but Iraq had proven to be a 10-month cakewalk instead of a disastrous, pointless distraction and colossal money pit -- I have zero doubt that we'd already be down there.

Bush/Cheney propaganda would have half of America believing that Chavez, Hussein, and bin Laden were all sitting around in Baghdad in 1998, sipping Mohitos from the skulls of strangled puppies, planning 9/11 together as a way to bring al-Qaeda, the Baathists, and FARC together in one giant terror organization united against us because they hate our Freedom.

Chavez has his lucky stars to thank for the fact that despite Bush's initial evil-eye stares to the south, bigger fish ended up getting fried instead (and Iraq happened, too).