Peregrine Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 While its hard to draw any conclusions from that without something to compare it to, heres one eye opening thing I noticed: Not counting the most recent 3 years, the previous 5 drafts produced a grand total of 4 players who are still on the Redskins roster. Yet the roster is 53 players strong. 48 of those spots have had to be filled by FAs, and very young undeveloped players. Out of those 4, two are starters. Ouch. I also think there is one other thing we can take away from this. This is a list of draft picks. Actual picks that we had. There are alot of people clamoring to keep all of our picks. The problem with this list is not that we didnt HAVE the picks, its that the people we picked most of the time werent any good. Its not signing FAs or trading away picks, or not trading away picks thats are problem. Its player evaluation. Clearly this FO has failed in that since 2000. There have been some great picks, and great signings, but thats been the exception, not the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD5 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Great info TK. Thanks for taking the time to gather it together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever21 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Wow, that is an eye opening list. Some of the guys I thought were out of the league are still plugging along. Gibran Hamdan? Some of the other guys I look at and think :doh:. And still others, I look at and say 'atta guy', like Rock. But there are more :doh:'s than 'atta guy's' Thanks for putting this together I think if you looked at every teams drafting over the same period you'd get the same thing. Maybe we'd have a couple extra ones because of Spurrier...good god how can someone be so college smart and so pro braindead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 5. Wilson, Mark, OL, California RAIDERS 6. Molinaro, Jim, OL, Notre Dame COWBOYS For some reason I find these interesting. The two guys that Gibbs assumedly let Buges pick with his only day two picks that first year back. They were talked about as though they were the future cornerstones on ES for a little while. I had no idea either were even still in the league. Does this mean Buges picked some decent guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee Ed Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 While its hard to draw any conclusions from that without something to compare it to, heres one eye opening thing I noticed:Not counting the most recent 3 years, the previous 5 drafts produced a grand total of 4 players who are still on the Redskins roster. Yet the roster is 53 players strong. 48 of those spots have had to be filled by FAs, and very young undeveloped players. Out of those 4, two are starters. Ouch. QUOTE] Great post, we need some comparisons. I am to lazy after last night! :rubeyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moorecards Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Anyone feel like putting together a Free Agent list like this for a compare & contrast? http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34658 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins8921 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34658 Well there it's partially done. Anyone feel like adding on where they are now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsince72 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 That is a great post. It took me back for the ST and LA drafting. We have had our share of busts but we had some stars in there too. LA was a beast pre-Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 How about the UDFA's? Guys like Antonio Pierce and Heyer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Brown #43 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Not counting the most recent 3 years, the previous 5 drafts produced a grand total of 4 players who are still on the Redskins roster. Yet the roster is 53 players strong. 48 of those spots have had to be filled by FAs, and very young undeveloped players. Out of those 4, two are starters. Ouch. It's not the front office's fault that Sean Taylor is no longer on the roster and no longer a starter. It would have been the right and classy thing to do to point that out in your post, but perhaps you were more interested in proving a point. Also, we drafted Dockery in the 3rd round of '03. He left and signed a massive contract elsewhere. That doesn't make him a bad pick. There are alot of people clamoring to keep all of our picks. The problem with this list is not that we didnt HAVE the picks, its that the people we picked most of the time werent any good. Two of our last four drafts ('04 and '06) have been phenomenal, particularly considering the limited number of picks we had to work with. The only thing that might have made those drafts better would have been if we had MORE picks. In the "lesser" two drafts of the last four years ('05 and '07), we still brought in Rogers, Campbell and Landry. In '04, half of the players we picked became Pro Bowlers. Again, would have been nice to have had even more picks. You're also overlooking the undrafted guys who have been major contributors (Heyer, Lorenzo Alexander, Chris Wilson, etc.). Someone is doing their job when guys like that pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsMaster88 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Anyone feel like putting together a Free Agent list like this for a compare & contrast? I was thinking about taking you up on this offer. Even pulled up a couple ESPN transactions list to compile the free agents. Then, I noticed redskins.com has some good info. Note: the article also has a paragraph recap on the contributions of the players signed and their current status in the NFL. Also, I added some trades, as they weren't covered, and some other minor edits by comparing to the ESPN pages. Interesting review. http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34658 Free Agency: Redskins Usually Aggressive By Gary Fitzgerald Redskins.com February 28, 2008 ... Here's a look at the players the Redskins have acquired in free agency this decade. 2000 DE Bruce Smith S Mark Carrier RB Adrian Murrell QB Jeff George DE Nolan Harrison OL J. Leeuwenburg CB T. Drakeford CB Deion Sanders 2001 LS Ethan Albright FB Donnell Bennett WR Kevin Lockett TE Walter Rasby P Bryan Barker CB Donovan Greer LB Robert Jones QB Tony Banks OG Dave Szott S Keith Lyle 2002 LB Jeremiah Trotter LB Jessie Armstead C Larry Moore DE Renaldo Wynn WR Jacquez Green WR Chris Doering WR Reidel Anthony QB Shane Matthews QB Danny Wuerffel OL David Loverne [Trade] 2003 G Randy Thomas WR Laveranues Coles K John Hall RB Chad Morton DT Brandon Noble DE Jermaine Haley S Matt Bowen DE Regan Upshaw QB Rob Johnson G Davie Fiore WR Patrick Johnson C Lennie Friedman DT Bernard Holsey DT Lional Dalton [Trade] RB Trung Canidate [Trade] 2004 DE Randy Thomas DT Cornelius Griffin CB Shawn Springs LB M. Washington DT Joe Salave'a P Tom Tupa CB Walt Harris LB Khary Campbell TE Brian Kozlowski TE Walter Rasby C Cory Raymer LB Micheal Barrow FB Mike Sellers RB Clinton Portis [Trade] WR James Thrash [Trade] 2005 C Casey Rabach WR David Patten S Pierson Prioleau LB Warrick Holdman CB Artrell Hawkins CB Tony Dixon S Omar Stoutmire P Derrick Frost (in-season) K Nick Novak (in-season) WR Santana Moss [Trade] 2006 WR A. Randle El S Adam Archuleta DE Andre Carter TE Christian Fauria QB Todd Collins CB Kenny Wright OL Mike Pucillo OL Tyson Walter LB Jeff Posey S Vernon Fox OL Todd Wade TE Todd Yoder S Troy Vincent (in-season) K Shaun Suisham (in-season) CB Mike Rumph [Trade] RB TJ Duckett [Trade] WR Brandon Lloyd [Trade] 2007 LB London Fletcher CB Fred Smoot CB David Macklin OL Jason Fabini OL Ross Tucker WR Jason McAddley WR Todd Pinkston CB Jerametrius Butler LB Randall Godfrey WR Reche Caldwell WR Keenan McCardell (in-season) WR Anthony Mix (in-season) OG Pete Kendall [Trade] ----- Edit - I had already started converting the redskins.com article into this post before it was posted in the thread. Anyhow, that missed a few names, which I've included. Someone else can see where everyone is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 Well there it's partially done. Anyone feel like adding on where they are now? Just how lazy are you? In the time it's taken you to give your 3 replies in this thread, you could have already done it AND gotten one more post closer to getting rid of that waterboy avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 How about the UDFA's?Guys like Antonio Pierce and Heyer? Well get on it slacker! ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins8921 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Just how lazy are you?In the time it's taken you to give your 3 replies in this thread, you could have already done it AND gotten one more post closer to getting rid of that waterboy avatar. Eh I'm tired. I was planning on doing it if no one else did after a while though. And on the Waterboy thing, 3 posts is better than one haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins8921 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 If someone else is in the middle of it and posts it while I'm in the middle of it I'm gonna be pissed off lol. But yea I'm starting on it now haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 TK, wouldn't you say the first draft of Gibbs was solid, with two of our four picks becoming Pro Bowlers? That's not a bad clip even if you have all seven picks. After looking at it again: 2004 - Gibbs1. Taylor, Sean, S, Miami (Fla.) R.I.P. 3. Cooley, Chris, TE, Utah State 5. Wilson, Mark, OL, California RAIDERS 6. Molinaro, Jim, OL, Notre Dame COWBOYS I'm more tempted to say it's more of a 'six in one hand, half dozen in the other' type of draft. You have 2 Pro Bowlers, yes. Sean was a no brainer at #5. Cooley was an unknown by many here. Wilson & Molinaro are kinda surprising as they're still in the League. But have they been developed into starters? Kind of a toss up, but that bad of a draft for Joe's first year back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsMaster88 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 If someone else is in the middle of it and posts it while I'm in the middle of it I'm gonna be pissed off lol. But yea I'm starting on it now haha. If you want a more complete list of names (might also be easier to list when you're done), you can see my post a few above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 Eh I'm tired. I was planning on doing it if no one else did after a while though. And on the Waterboy thing, 3 posts is better than one haha If someone else is in the middle of it and posts it while I'm in the middle of it I'm gonna be pissed off lol. But yea I'm starting on it now haha. Ha. Ha. 3. Spam is strictly prohibited. The following examples constitute spam: Very short posts that do not add value to the topic. Example: posts with only the words, "i dunno," or "lol cool," can be considered spam. If that is the only contribution you make to the discussion, this is not the place for you. Double Posting. A double post constitutes back-to-back posts by the same member. The second post may be considered spam. If you submit a post and realize that you have made a mistake or would like to elaborate further, please use the "edit" button/function (located at the lower right of each post) to edit the original post rather than create a new one for that purpose. An exception to the rule applies to a situation where a member wants to address the content of separate individual posts from different members. For example, the first point addresses the content of member A's post; the subsequent post addresses the content of member B's post. Posts that serve no purpose other than to increase one's post count are considered spam. For example, if someone asks a question and you reply just to say you don't know the answer, or create "test" threads or posts, this will be considered spam. If you want to test your signature picture/text, you can do that in any thread where you have already posted. Every time you edit and save a change in your Profile, simply hit your browser’s "refresh" button in a thread in which you have posted. Your account will have been updated across every post you have ever written. And ha. How To Use The Multi Quote Function Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 Hey 21, do you know the year when Vinny became involved with the whole draft process? It would be pretty cool to see a comparison (before/after) and to see what we can expect in april Define 'involved'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COWBOY-KILLA- Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Every team has hits and misses, we are trending in the right direction with the draft we need to raise the bar this year and hit on 4 of the 6 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins8921 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 2000 DE Bruce Smith OUT OF LEAGUE S Mark Carrier OUT OF LEAGUE RB Adrian Murrell OUT OF LEAGUE QB Jeff George OUT OF LEAGUE DE Nolan Harrison OUT OF LEAGUE OL J. Leeuwenburg OUT OF LEAGUE CB T. Drakeford OUT OF LEAGUE CB Deion Sanders OUT OF LEAGUE 2001 LS Ethan Albright REDSKINS FB Donnell Bennett OUT OF LEAGUE WR Kevin Lockett OUT OF LEAGUE TE Walter Rasby OUT OF LEAGUE P Bryan Barker OUT OF LEAGUE CB Donovan Greer OUT OF LEAGUE LB Robert Jones OUT OF LEAGUE QB Tony Banks OUT OF LEAGUE OG Dave Szott OUT OF LEAGUE S Keith Lyle OUT OF LEAGUE 2002 LB Jeremiah Trotter BUCCANNEERS LB Jessie Armstead OUT OF LEAGUE C Larry Moore OUT OF LEAGUE DE Renaldo Wynn SAINTS WR Jacquez Green OUT OF LEAGUE WR Chris Doering OUT OF LEAGUE WR Reidel Anthony OUT OF LEAGUE QB Shane Matthews OUT OF LEAGUE QB Danny Wuerffel OUT OF LEAGUE OL David Loverne [Trade] OUT OF LEAGUE 2003 G Randy Thomas REDSKINS WR Laveranues Coles JETS K John Hall OUT OF LEAGUE RB Chad Morton OUT OF LEAGUE DT Brandon Noble OUT OF LEAGUE DE Jermaine Haley OUT OF LEAGUE S Matt Bowen OUT OF LEAGUE DE Regan Upshaw OUT OF LEAGUE QB Rob Johnson OUT OF LEAGUE G Davie Fiore OUT OF LEAGUE WR Patrick Johnson OUT OF LEAGUE C Lennie Friedman BROWNS DT Bernard Holsey OUT OF LEAGUE DT Lional Dalton [Trade] OUT OF LEAGUE RB Trung Canidate [Trade] OUT OF LEAGUE 2004 DE Randy Thomas REDSKINS DT Cornelius Griffin REDSKINS CB Shawn Springs REDSKINS LB M. Washington REDSKINS DT Joe Salave'a NFL.COM SAYS REDSKINS BUT I KNOW THAT'S WRONG P Tom Tupa OUT OF LEAGUE CB Walt Harris 49ERS LB Khary Campbell REDSKINS TE Brian Kozlowski REDSKINS TE Walter Rasby OUT OF LEAGUE C Cory Raymer OUT OF LEAGUE LB Micheal Barrow OUT OF LEAGUE FB Mike Sellers REDSKINS RB Clinton Portis [Trade] REDSKINS WR James Thrash [Trade] REDSKINS 2005 C Casey Rabach REDSKINS WR David Patten SAINTS S Pierson Prioleau REDSKINS LB Warrick Holdman BRONCOS CB Artrell Hawkins PATRIOTS CB Tony Dixon OUT OF LEAGUE S Omar Stoutmire REDSKINS P Derrick Frost (in-season) REDSKINS K Nick Novak (in-season) BEARS WR Santana Moss [Trade] REDSKINS 2006 WR A. Randle El REDSKINS S Adam Archuleta BEARS DE Andre Carter REDSKINS TE Christian Fauria PANTHERS QB Todd Collins REDSKINS CB Kenny Wright BROWNS OL Mike Pucillo REDSKINS OL Tyson Walter PACKERS LB Jeff Posey OUT OF LEAGUE S Vernon Fox REDSKINS OL Todd Wade REDSKINS TE Todd Yoder REDSKINS S Troy Vincent (in-season) OUT OF LEAGUE K Shaun Suisham (in-season) REDSKINS CB Mike Rumph [Trade] OUT OF LEAGUE RB TJ Duckett [Trade] LIONS WR Brandon Lloyd [Trade] OUT OF LEAGUE 2007 LB London Fletcher REDSKINS CB Fred Smoot REDSKINS CB David Macklin REDSKINS OL Jason Fabini REDSKINS OL Ross Tucker REDSKINS WR Jason McAddley REDSKINS* WR Todd Pinkston REDSKINS*. OK NOW I KNOW YOU CAN'T TRUST SOME OF THESE RECENT ONES. DAMMIT. BUT MY BROTHER'S ****ING FOR ME TO GET OFF THE COMPUTER. CB Jerametrius Butler BILLS LB Randall Godfrey REDSKINS WR Reche Caldwell REDSKINS WR Keenan McCardell (in-season) REDSKINS WR Anthony Mix (in-season) REDSKINS OG Pete Kendall [Trade] REDSKINS * - NFL.COM SAYS REDSKINS, BUT I CHECKED REDSKINS.COM ROSTER AND THEY'RE NOT ON IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Sartz is out of the league right now after rehabbing his hamstring injury. He'll show up in someones camp and make at least a PS if healthy this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 Sartz is out of the league right now after rehabbing his hamstring injury.He'll show up in someones camp and make at least a PS if healthy this year. I was thinking he received the ol injury settlement deal. NFL.com really needs to update theirselves. They still J. Palmer listed as being a Redskin when Cinci picked him up a month or two ago. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 2000DE Bruce Smith OUT OF LEAGUE S Mark Carrier OUT OF LEAGUE RB Adrian Murrell OUT OF LEAGUE QB Jeff George OUT OF LEAGUE DE Nolan Harrison OUT OF LEAGUE OL J. Leeuwenburg OUT OF LEAGUE CB T. Drakeford OUT OF LEAGUE CB Deion Sanders OUT OF LEAGUE 2001 LS Ethan Albright REDSKINS FB Donnell Bennett OUT OF LEAGUE WR Kevin Lockett OUT OF LEAGUE TE Walter Rasby OUT OF LEAGUE P Bryan Barker OUT OF LEAGUE CB Donovan Greer OUT OF LEAGUE LB Robert Jones OUT OF LEAGUE QB Tony Banks OUT OF LEAGUE OG Dave Szott OUT OF LEAGUE S Keith Lyle OUT OF LEAGUE 2002 LB Jeremiah Trotter BUCCANNEERS LB Jessie Armstead OUT OF LEAGUE C Larry Moore OUT OF LEAGUE DE Renaldo Wynn SAINTS WR Jacquez Green OUT OF LEAGUE WR Chris Doering OUT OF LEAGUE WR Reidel Anthony OUT OF LEAGUE QB Shane Matthews OUT OF LEAGUE QB Danny Wuerffel OUT OF LEAGUE OL David Loverne [Trade] OUT OF LEAGUE 2003 G Randy Thomas REDSKINS WR Laveranues Coles JETS K John Hall OUT OF LEAGUE RB Chad Morton OUT OF LEAGUE DT Brandon Noble OUT OF LEAGUE DE Jermaine Haley OUT OF LEAGUE S Matt Bowen OUT OF LEAGUE DE Regan Upshaw OUT OF LEAGUE QB Rob Johnson OUT OF LEAGUE G Davie Fiore OUT OF LEAGUE WR Patrick Johnson OUT OF LEAGUE C Lennie Friedman BROWNS DT Bernard Holsey OUT OF LEAGUE DT Lional Dalton [Trade] OUT OF LEAGUE RB Trung Canidate [Trade] OUT OF LEAGUE In the Redskins defense, most of those players sucked. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 I was thinking he received the ol injury settlement deal. NFL.com really needs to update theirselves. They still J. Palmer listed as being a Redskin when Cinci picked him up a month or two ago. :doh: You're right. Just saw that he was an injury settlement. Sucks for the kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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