flashback Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 At long last, the NYT may have provided McCain the boost he needs to get the conservative base enthusiastically behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 From the poll on the front page of CNN.com: The New York Times story about John McCain and a lobbyist is: Newsworthy 30% 2207 Smear tactic 70% 5075 Total Votes: 7282 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 At long last, the NYT may have provided McCain the boost he needs to get the conservative base enthusiastically behind him. I think you're correct. This kind of thing might unite the base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speardog1 Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Am I the only one here that finds it funny that the dems on this site go crazy if someone on Fox news sneezes the wrong way, but they have nothing to say on this fake story? I plan on voting dem and I think this is a joke. I still think he's qualified to be president. I think it was a lot worse when the Republicans went crazy over Michelle Obama's speech last week. Clearly she didn't mean that she was never proud of her country until recently. Either way, the media grabbing on to every negative, or waiting for a candidate to slip up in a speech is ridiculous. Let the issues decide not the media and the smearing attempts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 The "affair" part of this story seems like pure garbage. My only concern with McCain is whether or not he did give preferential treatment to her in violations of ethics laws. IF he did, its especially concerning given his platform. However, the biggest questions I have after reading this story are all for the NY Times themselves: why hold the story, why publish it now, what really makes you think anything was romantic, what were these so-called benefits she received, and how did they violate ethics laws. If those questions had answers, the story might have legs. but until then, it reads like crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helptheSKINS Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 I plan on voting dem and I think this is a joke. I still think he's qualified to be president. I think it was a lot worse when the Republicans went crazy over Michelle Obama's speech last week. Clearly she didn't mean that she was never proud of her country until recently. Either way, the media grabbing on to every negative, or waiting for a candidate to slip up in a speech is ridiculous. Let the issues decide not the media and the smearing attempts. Touche to you and Henry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 The "affair" part of this story seems like pure garbage. My only concern with McCain is whether or not he did give preferential treatment to her in violations of ethics laws. IF he did, its especially concerning given his platform.However, the biggest questions I have after reading this story are all for the NY Times themselves: why hold the story, why publish it now, what really makes you think anything was romantic, what were these so-called benefits she received, and how did they violate ethics laws. If those questions had answers, the story might have legs. but until then, it reads like crap. McCains team gave the Times specific info to prove he didnt give preferential treatment, in fact it was almost as if he gave worse treatment, to the lady's clients. He and his atty answered all of the times questions months ago. McCain is going to come out of this stronger, with a bigger base behind him. The NYTs is a complete piece of crap rag now. They have no credibility outside of liberal circle jerks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Having an affair certainly speaks to the character of the man. You'll forgive me if I have a higher standard for those who would lead us. I'm not a hypocrite in this area, as I suspect many aren't. There are plenty of men in this country who don't cheat on their wives. It isn't a hard thing to remain faithful. I don't put any stock in these allegations as there is no proof. In fact, there isn't really an outright allegation that they were romantically involved. Just vailed inuendo. In the political arena, we've gone from "it's true if you say it" to "it's true if you imply it". While I totally agree with what you're saying, in the case of most politicians it's like expecting leopards to change their spots. We can expect better all we want, but we never get it. There may be some who are faithful, but they're only human, after all. (I've been on the other end of a cheating spouse.. It's something I would never do, and I'm not certainly not unique so I do recognize not everyone is a philandering dog. But, I'd suggest most people are in one way or another, especially people in power.) the thing that rubs me is the many (not necessarily here, but everywhere) who will hear this story, or another similar story about a politician and allow it to affect their own thinking on the matter along the lines of "If he will do this, he'll spill state secrets, he's totally untrustworthy.." etc. And over the course of our history it's happened time and again that a politician, even (especially) the president will have his fun. I guess my main problem is the overall hypocrisy behind it, and how we are expected to dance to this BS tune yet again, and many do. It also bugs me that even though we can all see how our media and our leaders have gone to great lengths to divide us over every issue that there is, that we as a people don't have the temerity to stand up and say "enough of this manipulative crap". We'll never get better until we manage to unite on some common ground. Like this. Both sides should decry this article and the tactics behind it. No one should give it the slightest credence. (and not just this article, but any obvious smear tactic against anyone running for office. If there's fact behind it, it's not a smear,, but when it's just innuendo like this and the Swift Boat stuff (and a zillion other smaller examples), we as a whole should vehemently reject it. Demand better. But instead we simply separate and allow the manipulation. Elections now are so filled with smear and anger and hate that we often are left to not choose a guy based on his accomplishments and vision, but against what smears can be cooked up. They aren't even trying to cover the deceit of it anymore. In this piece for example, there is zero evidence of any wrongdoing, but it doesn't stop them from running this story. For what purpose other than to manipulate the electorate? Same thing with Kerry and the swift boats. As it came out in the wash, none of it had any real basis in fact. As we all know, it was simply smear, but hard republicans will still laugh about it. It's not funny. It's sad that we accept it. And yet we never demand better. They never get called to the carpet. Why? because we're so damn divided that if someone did demand the Times hold itself to a better standard, half the people dismiss it as republican ****ing and moaning,, and they say "serves you right for the swift boats" etc , and then the republicans say "shut up about the swift boats, you're just ****ing and moaning." And all the while it keeps going, they (be it a group of 'concerned citizens" or a major news organization) continue to flood us with what amounts to nothing more than propaganda in the worst sense of the word, and basically laugh in our faces and tell us to suck on it when we complain. I've been a registered voter for 26 years. In that time it only has gotten worse. I thought the idea behind our system was that regardless of which party holds majority, we as a whole try to work together towards the common good. But it isn't like that anymore. It is a constant power play, a constant argument. Compromise is so far removed that when it happens it's lauded as a great accomplishment. And the only thing each side seems to want is their side to be right, regardless of the consequences or how far they have to go to make the other side appear wrong. I know I'm a cynical ****. I've been inundated by this junk since i can remember, and as I said, it is only getting worse. Like I said above, the powers that be have such disregard for us that they don't even try to hide their manipulations anymore. We're just the means to an end. And that isn't the way it's supposed to be in America. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Force Cane Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 I don't believe this for a second- but even if it WAS true- what is the "news" being reported from possibly having an affair NINE YEARS AGO?! So the NY Times goes from calling every woman who accused Clinton of impropriety a lunatic, but now brings up veiled inuendo with zero evidence about an "improper relationship" from nearly a decade ago with no corroborating facts. Oh yeah, there is no liberal media bias!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzSkinsFan63 Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Unamed sources zero evidence might as well equal..:bsflag: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashback Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 And I'm sure it goes without saying that all of our resident righties were equally skeptical and circumspect when unfounded allegations were made against ____________ (insert non-Republican politician name here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 And I'm sure it goes without saying that all of our resident righties were equally skeptical and circumspect when unfounded allegations were made against ____________ (insert non-Republican politician name here). And my point above is proven once more. rather than demand better, we roll our eyes and point our fingers. Yay. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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