DGreenistheBest Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I stay away from people that are book smart. Thank you very much. Which is probably your first problem. At least be intellectually honest with yourself for a moment. "MAYBE" China is temporarily disregarding true Communist principals in order to gain sway in the world community. And in its place the "MAY" be presenting the illusion of private business making a profit. But don't dumb down this discussion by telling me that China is both Communist AND Capitalistic. :laugh: I stated a fact. You replied with a laughing smiley. I furthered my argument. You replied with a laughing smiley. I supported my case. You accuse me of dumbing down the argument because you can't actually counter it...and you replied with a laughing smiley. Does the laughing smiley make you feel more secure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Which is probably your first problem.I stated a fact. You replied with a laughing smiley. I furthered my argument. You replied with a laughing smiley. I supported my case. You accuse me of dumbing down the argument because you can't actually counter it...and you replied with a laughing smiley. Does the laughing smiley make you feel more secure? You are dumb dumb. You give me gum gum. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASkins540 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,442552,00.htmlChina's communists have long since given up on true communism. In the interests of profit and wealth, property is respected more than human life and workers are exploited more than in any other country. Their cheap labor is an attack on our civil societies. Right, they've adopted capitalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcnativenerd Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Socialism, to me, puts the need of the whole in front of the needs of the individual. It's a crap shoot that seldom ends well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 China has 345,000 millionaires: studyhttp://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5ixQlU1GeghWewhn1PFb2nZwzEPPg :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: 345,000 out of China — Population: 1,321,851,888 Thats less than 3% of the population. :laugh: Not Good. You have a much better chance of becoming a millionaire in a True Capitalist society. More American Millionaires Than Ever Ranks Grew 11 Percent Last Year, To 8.3 Million Households CHICAGO, April 20, 2006 (AP / CBS) (CBS/AP) A record 8.3 million American households had a net worth of $1 million or more in 2005, an increase of 800,000 or 11 percent from 2004, according to data released Wednesday. For the rest of the article go here. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/20/business/main1521524.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF44 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,442552,00.htmlChina's communists have long since given up on true communism. In the interests of profit and wealth, property is respected more than human life and workers are exploited more than in any other country. Their cheap labor is an attack on our civil societies. Well really that is what true capitalism is really about. There is not much regard for workers. Monopolies occur regularly. Only Gov. regulation keeps this from happening. I think capitalism is the best economic system, but at it's core it's brutal and needs regulation to reach its potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,442552,00.htmlChina's communists have long since given up on true communism. In the interests of profit and wealth, property is respected more than human life and workers are exploited more than in any other country. Their cheap labor is an attack on our civil societies. The nation still lacks freedom of speech or press and operates under a one party rule. Dissenters are arrested and imprisoned based on the party's decision, treatement of protesters is brutal, civil liberties are nil, labor unions are non-existent. That's communist. As I said, the political system of communism and the economic system of socialism are not wedded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Right, they've adopted capitalism. Keep reading. Don't fall for the DGreen disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 You are dumb dumb.You give me gum gum. :laugh: I try to have a civilized debate and this is the response I get? Guess I'll declare victory on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Keep reading. Don't fall for the DGreen disease. And now I have a disease? Mount an argument. Stop acting like a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 The nation still lacks freedom of speech or press and operates under a one party rule. Dissenters are arrested and imprisoned based on the party's decision, treatement of protesters is brutal, civil liberties are nil, labor unions are non-existent. That's communist. As I said, the political system of communism and the economic system of socialism are not wedded. For once, read the WHOLE article. PLEASE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I try to have a civilized debate and this is the response I get? Guess I'll declare victory on this one. You were going to do that anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 For once, read the WHOLE article. PLEASE? Article? Oh, yours. Didn't read it at all. You were going to do that anyway. You made it easy on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portisizzle Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,442552,00.htmlChina's communists have long since given up on true communism. In the interests of profit and wealth, property is respected more than human life and workers are exploited more than in any other country. Their cheap labor is an attack on our civil societies. this article GReen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 this article GReen Great, it perfectly illustrates my point that China is capitalist. Is there supposed to be something in their about them changing from communism to another political system? Because I didn't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Great, it perfectly illustrates my point that China is capitalist. Is there supposed to be something in their about them changing from communism to another political system? Because I didn't see it. :laugh: Yeah tell that to the people that work in the sweat shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 :laugh: Yeah tell that to the people that work in the sweat shops. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you are saying. Forgive me, its the laughing smilies. It makes it hard for me to take you seriously. Are we arguing over whether or not China is capitalist, or whether or not China is communist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you are saying. Forgive me, its the laughing smilies. It makes it hard for me to take you seriously.Are we arguing over whether or not China is capitalist, or whether or not China is communist? You keep on saying China is capitalist, I find that funny. Less than 3% of their population are millionaires, not good considering how many people live there. Dude, basically if your succesful in China, the government is taking almost all of your money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 You keep on saying China is capitalist, I find that funny.Less than 3% of their population are millionaires, not good considering how many people live there. So capitalism is dependent on the number of millionaires per capita you have? What's the cutoff? Here, read this. I assume the Wall Street Journal would be a reliable source of economic information? http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116639648334652910-t4BzVrA4dek81g56tK2nXHzJU4c_20070423.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I know this is old, however it should help put it into perspective. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/WhereTheMillionairesAreNow.aspx (2005/2006) Growth rank United States 4,585,000- Millionaires 301,139,947 - Population 10% Change China 310,000 Millionaires 1,321,851,888 - Population 39% Changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Socialism - end of individual responsiblity, ambition, innovation, progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I know this is old, however it should help put it into perspective. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/WhereTheMillionairesAreNow.aspx (2005/2006) Growth rank United States 4,585,000- Millionaires 301,139,947 - Population 10% Change China 310,000 Millionaires 1,321,851,888 - Population 39% Changes This seems to be supporting my point. China is number one in growth rates. They had the highest change. Are you trying to say that you cannot be capitalist until you meet a certain quota of millionaires? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 So capitalism is dependent on the number of millionaires per capita you have? What's the cutoff? Here, read this. I assume the Wall Street Journal would be a reliable source of economic information? http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116639648334652910-t4BzVrA4dek81g56tK2nXHzJU4c_20070423.html To me Capitalism = The American Dream (yes more millionaires) People like yourself might not believe it exists. However the last thing I want to do is live in a socialist economy where I get taxed more so the government can provide more freebie handouts for people who sit on their ass all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 This seems to be supporting my point. China is number one in growth rates. They had the highest change. Are you trying to say that you cannot be capitalist until you meet a certain quota of millionaires? In China the only way you can become a millionaire is if you are very well educated. In the United States you are rewarded for your hard work, it doesn't matter if you mow grass or own a bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Well, if your definition of capitalism means, "has as many or more millionaires per capita than the US," then I suppose a lot of countries aren't capitalist. However, I am operating off the definition: "Capitalism refers to an economic and social system in which the means of production are predominantly privately owned and operated, and in which investments, distribution, income, production and pricing of goods and services are determined through the operation of a market economy. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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