skinsfan07 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Man I'm 18 and all I can say, is MAN UP and learn how to hold your liquor and control yourself. I mean it happens you et ****faced, do stuff you regret, but as long as it doesn't happen everytome you get ****ty, it's whatever. With you, maybe you need a girlfriend, so you don't get so touchy feely every time you get drunk. IDK just learn how to hold your alcohol and you'll be good. But swearing off alcohol at 20 b/c of this.............that's a little ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins247 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Played soccer on a team that's just made the finals of the U.S. Open Cup (national amateur tourny) last year...Yes, I played soccer before MS. Can't tell you how much I miss it.Before people start calling out other men's man card, they should have to compete in a sport at a high level. I competed in basketball at a high level. Also played football and baseball very well. So, nice try. And, btw. Those 3 I mentioned......REAL sports! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Man I'm 18 and all I can say, is MAN UP and learn how to hold your liquor and control yourself. I mean it happens you et ****faced, do stuff you regret, but as long as it doesn't happen everytome you get ****ty, it's whatever. With you, maybe you need a girlfriend, so you don't get so touchy feely every time you get drunk. IDK just learn how to hold your alcohol and you'll be good. But swearing off alcohol at 20 b/c of this.............that's a little ridiculous. so if he ends up groping some girls every other month how long will it take for one of them to press charges, or worse yet, what if in his stupor he tries to go a bit farther? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Shot Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 It probably doesn't need to be said, but w/e....Just don't drink that much. A couple drinks is fine. Being ****faced doesn't necessarily = a good time. You and many other people have found this out. this is f'n priceless I believe you also started a thread asking for advice about what you should do about a guy who got in the way of you hitting ****ing golfballs in a public park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins247 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Try it sometime and when you are done sucking wind then talk. I never said you don't need to be conditioned to play it. But that doesn't change the fact that its a stupid, boring sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I never said you don't need to be conditioned to play it. But that doesn't change the fact that its a stupid, boring sport. I'm assuming this means you don't watch golf or baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Shot Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Dude, you played soccer? You should turn in your man card. I'll never stop being amazed at the amount of "adults" on this site that post bull **** like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Touchdown Redskins Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 lets see..he drinks he fights he gropes and he alienates himself. he cant seem to just have a few drinks. sounds like you need to stop projecting what you think is right for him. Just because you get ****-faced every once in a while doesnt mean that everyone can. In the words of AA: 1 is too many, a thousand never enough. You think I'm projecting what I think is right for him? Aren't you doing the exact same thing? By the way, I have experienced someone very close to me become an alcoholic and go through AA, so I know exactly what it entails and how to define it. The kid is not an alcoholic, he is merely an underaged kid who binge drinks. If you look at my previous post, you'll see that I don't think he did the right thing, and that I advised him to monitor his alcohol intake. Telling him to stop drinking cold turkey like he's an alcoholic is irresponsible and incorrect. He is not an alcoholic, he is a 20 year old at college who doesn't know how to manage his alcohol intake. Are you crazy? The kid is sexually assaulting people while drunk for god sake. Do you realize that this is the type of thing that will RUIN YOUR LIFE. Yes he's 20, which is a big part of why him being labled a sex offender would be such a tragedy. Getting drunk is of no importance at all. First of all, we don't know exactly what happened (and neither does he), so saying that he sexually assaulted a girl is strong language and presumptive at best. Also, I never said what he did was right. My point, which I clearly did not get across very well, is that he's not an alcoholic. He is at a point in his life where he should learn to manage his alcohol intake and understand his limits. This can surely be done, and obviously it needs to be done judging by what he does when he imbibes alcohol. However, my main point is that he has not exhibited any behavior that would lead me to classify him as an alcoholic. He does not have a "drinking problem," he has a "problem while drinking," which is very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Man I'm 18 and all I can say, is MAN UP and learn how to hold your liquor and control yourself. I mean it happens you et ****faced, do stuff you regret, but as long as it doesn't happen everytome you get ****ty, it's whatever. With you, maybe you need a girlfriend, so you don't get so touchy feely every time you get drunk. IDK just learn how to hold your alcohol and you'll be good. But swearing off alcohol at 20 b/c of this.............that's a little ridiculous. I'll never stop being amazed at the amount of "adults" on this site that post bull **** like this. I'm just highlighting these two because I'm amazed at how far apart two 18 year olds can be in maturity. Don't worry One Shot, you're on the positive side of that observation. As for the other guy...yeah...man up...it happens...great advice. I look forward to you posting a similar story in a few years when you get charges pressed against you. Don't you have a high school class to get to or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 There's something wrong. Those of you saying that "everyone does dumb **** when they drink" just don't get it. Of course we do!! However, I can say that I have NEVER groped a girl against her will and I've been black-out drunk plenty of times. If you can't distinguish consent or right and wrong when you drink, there's a problem there. If this kid said he'd hooked up with a questionable girl or said something inappropriate, I wouldn't even blink...but two times in a year he's inappropriately touched a girl who wasn't down with it...that's not a good pattern!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I'll never stop being amazed at the amount of "adults" on this site that post bull **** like this.and I find it amuzing that all the posters from Philly, don't see the big problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 You think I'm projecting what I think is right for him? Aren't you doing the exact same thing? By the way, I have experienced someone very close to me become an alcoholic and go through AA, so I know exactly what it entails and how to define it. The kid is not an alcoholic, he is merely an underaged kid who binge drinks. If you look at my previous post, you'll see that I don't think he did the right thing, and that I advised him to monitor his alcohol intake. Telling him to stop drinking cold turkey like he's an alcoholic is irresponsible and incorrect. He is not an alcoholic, he is a 20 year old at college who doesn't know how to manage his alcohol intake. what you are doing is providing him an excuse to continue drinking because you "dont think he is an alcoholic". What does binge drinking mean to you? That he cant control it, that he has a problem with saying no when he has clearly had enough? I am curious as to what you mean by it. Just because you can "binge" drink and not doing ill things doesnt mean everyone can. I can drink all night and not do anything stupid but if my friend even has one drink he cant stop himself until he finishes everything. thats binging to me. so he has become unmanagable and his life as well in places because he cant control his drinking. thats in the AA steps. you might as well tell a crackhead to monitor his crack smoking. ask a heroin addict to ONLY shoot up 2 times a day. once that first drink hits your lips you forget all these "monitoring" and "rules" youve laid down for yourself and its PARTY TIME!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuck Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I agree that I have a problem. I like to drink though, and believe that I can control it because I now know I have a problem. Apparently you can't control it or you wouldn't have written this thread. I think it would be wise to seriously consider if drinking is worth it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiro Posted February 4, 2008 Author Share Posted February 4, 2008 Guys, I can say for sure at this moment I don't intend on drinking again for at least a good long time. To clarify what I meant by what happened, I basically blacked out. I don't know if I'm wording it wrong, but I wasn't aware of what I was doing, yet performed an action that was inexcusable. I only found out about this when I woke up later, and my friend pulled me into the other room to explain what happened. I'll be communicating mostly through my friend for now because he knows these two, he's good friends with both. He keeps telling me that everything is going to be fine and that because of the fact I'm remorseful about what happened, I could possibly not get charged because he knows them and knows they're rational people. And to explain why I confessed something like this on an Internet Message Board. I posted this thread last night because I was so overwhelmed with guilt, I was desperate to talk to someone besides my friend about what happened, that I reached out to people I didn't know so I could get an opinion from people who don't know me, so that I know I could get an honest opinion. Think badly of me if you want for doing this, but I just want you guys to know this advice I've gotten has helped me. I understand this is a major problem that could escalate if I don't do something NOW, and I will seriously consider giving up drinking completely. I know I'm basically a dumb kid who likes to get hammered every now and then, but it doesn't excuse what I did. Someone here mentioned that I was begging for attention? Maybe I was, maybe I wanted confirmation that I'm not a bad person, and that I'm in the right direction of fixing this problem I have. Thank you so much again for any advice you have given and any more you can give .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Hero, what "exactly" did you do to the girl that was so bad? Did you take her clothes off, have sex with her, force her not to leave, was she asleep when you did those things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacky McSlackAss Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 My only advice is learn to hold your liquor. Know your limits and dont push them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Touchdown Redskins Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 what you are doing is providing him an excuse to continue drinking because you "dont think he is an alcoholic". What does binge drinking mean to you? That he cant control it, that he has a problem with saying no when he has clearly had enough? I am curious as to what you mean by it. Just because you can "binge" drink and not doing ill things doesnt mean everyone can. I can drink all night and not do anything stupid but if my friend even has one drink he cant stop himself until he finishes everything. thats binging to me. so he has become unmanagable and his life as well in places because he cant control his drinking. thats in the AA steps. you might as well tell a crackhead to monitor his crack smoking. ask a heroin addict to ONLY shoot up 2 times a day. once that first drink hits your lips you forget all these "monitoring" and "rules" youve laid down for yourself and its PARTY TIME!! You make some good points. Binge drinking, as I define it (and have seen it defined), is drinking to get drunk. I'm not trying to say that if I can control myself, then he can, but I am reluctant to apply the tag of "alcoholic" to him, simply because that phrase carries a lot of connotations with it. Alcoholism takes many, many years to develop. I have seen alcoholics in my personal life as well as in medical school, and it is a very, very sad case, which I don't think applies to Hero21. One thing I would say is that we have no idea of what this kid's control of his intake is like. He may only binge drink every now and then, which is a perfectly acceptable social norm, especially for kids his age, or he may binge drink everyday, in which case I would say that he's on the path to alcoholism. If it is the former case, then obviously he simply needs to learn what his limits are. After all, we've all done stupid things when we were young and drunk, and I can say for myself that I've learned what my limits are. While it may or may not be fair for me to expect him to do the same, it's also not fair to accuse him of an addiction when there isn't evidence of one. I agree that it's hard to tell someone to manage intake, but you are also comparing illegal heroin and crack (two of the more addictive substances that we know of) and legal alcohol (which may take decades to get addicted to, medically speaking). From my point of view, he is not addicted, and thus it will be easier for him to manage his intake. You may argue that he is addicted, but unfortunately we'll just have to disagree on that issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 You make some good points. Binge drinking, as I define it (and have seen it defined), is drinking to get drunk. I'm not trying to say that if I can control myself, then he can, but I am reluctant to apply the tag of "alcoholic" to him, simply because that phrase carries a lot of connotations with it. Alcoholism takes many, many years to develop. I have seen alcoholics in my personal life as well as in medical school, and it is a very, very sad case, which I don't think applies to Hero21. The way I see it, it doesn't matter if I'm technically an alcoholic. If I habitually do something specific that's dangerous to myself or other people when I drink, I probably should stop drinking. I agree that it's hard to tell someone to manage intake, but you are also comparing illegal heroin and crack (two of the more addictive substances that we know of) and legal alcohol (which may take decades to get addicted to, medically speaking). From my point of view, he is not addicted, and thus it will be easier for him to manage his intake. You may argue that he is addicted, but unfortunately we'll just have to disagree on that issue. Last time I checked, alcohol was illegal for a 20 year old too. And one of the reasons it is so is due to the fact that kids have trouble controlling their intake. So maybe obeying the law and waiting a little while before having another drink might be a good idea in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_cavalierman Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 You have a drinking problem man - time to seriously consider giving up the booze. What you are doing could get your charged and end up with you being on the sex offender registry and thus RUINING YOUR LIFE. This isn't a small consequence.The right thing to do is apologize to the girl you assaulted. The smart thing however may be consulting with a lawyer first becuase in doing so you may be admitting to a crime. Stop drinking IMO. I second that.... Booz is the common thread in all of the issues....time to either dump booze all together or become the designated driver at these parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Shot Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I understand that it's fun to be drunk, get attention and have people laugh. But that can easily be done without having 15 drinks. You have to ask yourself, is it worth the booze? What happened to you obviously wasn't worth it. And I think you've learned from your mistake and in the future will take more care. Don't sweat it, it happens to everyone. That's how people LEARN. Sometimes you get lucky, and sometimes you have to learn the hard way. Before long, you'll feel normal and smarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 You make some good points. Binge drinking, as I define it (and have seen it defined), is drinking to get drunk. I'm not trying to say that if I can control myself, then he can, but I am reluctant to apply the tag of "alcoholic" to him, simply because that phrase carries a lot of connotations with it. Alcoholism takes many, many years to develop. I have seen alcoholics in my personal life as well as in medical school, and it is a very, very sad case, which I don't think applies to Hero21.One thing I would say is that we have no idea of what this kid's control of his intake is like. He may only binge drink every now and then, which is a perfectly acceptable social norm, especially for kids his age, or he may binge drink everyday, in which case I would say that he's on the path to alcoholism. If it is the former case, then obviously he simply needs to learn what his limits are. After all, we've all done stupid things when we were young and drunk, and I can say for myself that I've learned what my limits are. While it may or may not be fair for me to expect him to do the same, it's also not fair to accuse him of an addiction when there isn't evidence of one. I agree that it's hard to tell someone to manage intake, but you are also comparing illegal heroin and crack (two of the more addictive substances that we know of) and legal alcohol (which may take decades to get addicted to, medically speaking). From my point of view, he is not addicted, and thus it will be easier for him to manage his intake. You may argue that he is addicted, but unfortunately we'll just have to disagree on that issue. Awesome, awesome post. :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tastes Like Chicken Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Stop drinking, you're not even legal yet. Seek help from a professional. Enjoy your youth without being totally drunk. Years from now, there will be plenty of time to get thoroughly ****faced in the safety of your own home, and get flat out denied in the bedroom, when you're married. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashback Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 First - taking a couple of months off won't hurt you. When I was about your age, I quit drinking from the day after game 1 of the 1988 World Series until Halloween night, 1989. I didn't sexually assault anybody, I just had too many strawberry-banana daquiris, especially after we ran out of strawberries and bananas. To this day I avoid rum. Second - its good to have friends. Keep your head down and let your friend handle this. Coming to an internet message board might not be the best idea, but its a damn sight smarter than blabbing to a bunch of people who know the parties involved. If you weren't aware of what was happening, and are only hearing about this 2nd hand then all you can do is avoid this situation in the future. I suggest a middle-ground. Apologize for getting so ****-faced you lost control of yourself. And of course, the hard part is: don't do it again. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxito Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Some posters here have given you some good advice here. There is not point of me telling you the same thing. All I am going to say is that I wish you good luck, and hope you learned a lesson about what happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxskinsville Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Solution is simple. Either: A) Stop drinking altogether, or Drink so much that you can't move you hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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