Harwich Hog Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Continuity. We mention continuity alot on this board. I've heard people say "we need continuity and all Snyder is doing is destroying it every four years". Truth is it's not just Snyder who is destroying it every four years. Snyder did not fire Gibbs. Gibbs left on his own accord. Look at successful franchises over the last 5-10 years that have continuity. New England? Indy? (The only two I can think that back up my point completely but there are others...) Seattle for example. Teams that have consistently been in the Playoffs and deep into the Playoffs. Fine, they have had head-coaches in place for a good period of time but not all of them have had the same with coordinators. New England are consistently having their coordinators poached by other teams for promotion. The one ever-present in all of this is at QB. Indy - Peyton Manning. NE - Tom Brady. Seattle - Matt Hasselbeck. Continuity isn't just about coaches - it's about players. This team needs to keep hold of the leaders in the dressing room. Guys like Rock Cartwright, James Thrash, Clinton Portis, Chris Cooley. All the guys that came out after the Sean Taylor tragedy and you could tell were leaders (not so much CC but I just included him cos of the man-crush I have going on). These guys help with continuity. These guys are Redskins. And in comes the argument about franchise quarterbacks. We need stability at the QB position. We need to cement Jason Campbell into this role and allow him to become a leader himself. I'm not so much worried about Snyder hiring a new head-coach and ruining the continuity. I'm more worried about a new head-coach coming in and clearing house and getting rid of these guys. That's why i'm not getting too impatient about this hiring process. I wanted Gregg Williams - but now that it's not him i'd like us to concentrate on getting the right guy even if it takes time. That's a load of thinking out-loud right there - i'm sorry. Hope it made sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 We need to cement Jason Campbell into this role and allow him to become a leader himself. Good post. But I think JC needs to EARN this position. He needs to MAKE himself a leader. It should not be given to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Good post. But I think JC needs to EARN this position. He needs to MAKE himself a leader. It should not be given to him. he has. people say he commands respect in the huddle and he works nonstop in the offseason. I plan on seeing articles that he is spending the entire offseason working with Zorn and other offensive coaches. Zorn will make it a effort to make this a QB friendly system and accerlate JC growth unlike Saunders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 he has. people say he commands respect in the huddle and he works nonstop in the offseason. I plan on seeing articles that he is spending the entire offseason working with Zorn and other offensive coaches. Zorn will make it a effort to make this a QB friendly system and accerlate JC growth unlike Saunders I don't think he has yet earned the "Franchise QB" label. And we shouldn't just give it to him because of his draft position or offseason habits. Not to say he won't someday deserve it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Interesting take, it also should be noted, that MOST of those teams filled voids through the draft and not free agency, and hence had more chemistry as a team over the last few years. The Redskins have done the exact opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Continuity.We mention continuity alot on this board. I've heard people say "we need continuity and all Snyder is doing is destroying it every four years". Truth is it's not just Snyder who is destroying it every four years. Snyder did not fire Gibbs. Gibbs left on his own accord. Look at successful franchises over the last 5-10 years that have continuity. New England? Indy? (The only two I can think that back up my point completely but there are others...) Seattle for example. Teams that have consistently been in the Playoffs and deep into the Playoffs. Fine, they have had head-coaches in place for a good period of time but not all of them have had the same with coordinators. New England are consistently having their coordinators poached by other teams for promotion. The one ever-present in all of this is at QB. Indy - Peyton Manning. NE - Tom Brady. Seattle - Matt Hasselbeck. Continuity isn't just about coaches - it's about players. This team needs to keep hold of the leaders in the dressing room. Guys like Rock Cartwright, James Thrash, Clinton Portis, Chris Cooley. All the guys that came out after the Sean Taylor tragedy and you could tell were leaders (not so much CC but I just included him cos of the man-crush I have going on). These guys help with continuity. These guys are Redskins. And in comes the argument about franchise quarterbacks. We need stability at the QB position. We need to cement Jason Campbell into this role and allow him to become a leader himself. I'm not so much worried about Snyder hiring a new head-coach and ruining the continuity. I'm more worried about a new head-coach coming in and clearing house and getting rid of these guys. That's why i'm not getting too impatient about this hiring process. I wanted Gregg Williams - but now that it's not him i'd like us to concentrate on getting the right guy even if it takes time. That's a load of thinking out-loud right there - i'm sorry. Hope it made sense. sooooo...changing the offensive system the year before Campbell goes into contract negotiaition seems like a good idea to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 To me, continuity is somewhat overrated. Sure, if you get a good mix of players and coaches and things are "working" then you're dumb to break it up. But what coaching tenure has Snyder been a part of that has deserved continuity (outside of maybe Marty)? Norv was a career loser. Spurrier was awful. Gibbs, though a hero around here, was sub-.500 after 4 seasons. Where Snyder is failing is hiring someone who could be around 10 years from now. He typically goes after older coaches and that means that we'll naturally be changing something in a 3-6 year period. If he hires Fassel this year, the same will be true. At almost 60, how much longer can he be a head coach even if things are clicking? I'm all for hiring someone in their low-50s or younger and letting things build for a while (after cutting some of the older and more expensive players). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 TO me continuity has more to do with Player development, then anything else. WHen you rely on FA like we have for so long you don't have continuity as you keep changing the tires, but ignoring the Transmission and Engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyConway Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 he has. people say he commands respect in the huddle and he works nonstop in the offseason. I plan on seeing articles that he is spending the entire offseason working with Zorn and other offensive coaches. Zorn will make it a effort to make this a QB friendly system and accerlate JC growth unlike Saunders I agree with this and the fact that JC will have to earn his next paycheck which will primarily depend on his play this season. The continuity Joe spoke of was regarding all facets of the organization from the players to FO. Another example of this, besides the ones the poster gave is SD. They have the players but needed the coach to take them to the next level. Bottom-line: they will be a force to contend with as long as they have Gates,Rivers, and LT. IMO we weren't getting the best out of ALL of our players. I think we will now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins Diehard Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 sooooo...changing the offensive system the year before Campbell goes into contract negotiaition seems like a good idea to you? Players contract situation should have a bearing on who the coordinator is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 I agree with this and the fact that JC will have to earn his next paycheck which will primarily depend on his play this season. T No doubt that he needs to earn his next paycheck but i feel that he knows that a extension is likely to come after next season if he plays really well and shows us that he is the QB that can lead us for the next 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 what continuity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveDaSkins172645 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 The continuity of Snyder and Cerrato being stars in Tom Cruises new films: Dumber and Dumbest 2 Who flew and continue to fly over the cookoo's nest and my personal favorite....... Justice League Snyder featuring his trusty side kick Vinnie YEAH SA BOSS Cerratto..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 We need to establish continuity with personnel, if we do that, the coaching situation won't matter as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 We need to establish continuity with personnel, if we do that, the coaching situation won't matter as much. The problem with that is that unless a team is a perennial winner, a new coach probably wants his own personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 The problem with that is that unless a team is a perennial winner, a new coach probably wants his own personnel. I'm not referring to coaches, I was referring to players. We've not had much continuity on both sides of the ball at all for as long as I can remember :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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