bulldog Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 at least to qualified candidates that feel they can and will get HC jobs elsewhere in 2009 or beyond. there is going to be a core of out of work coaches that will sign up to the dollar bill regardless of who is making the personnel decisions, even if it were Daffy Duck. but the reality is the promotion of Cerrato to VP for Football Ops has made this job radioactive to all but the most hungry. do you want Cerrato picking the players that will make or break YOUR reputation in the NFL as Head Coach of the Redskins? :laugh: I don't think there is any question anymore that Gregg Williams is not going to be the coach here. My guess is Williams is not as desperate for this job as to sell his soul and sign up for a repeat of the 2002 or 2003 Redskins, where free agents and trades ended up bringing in a motley crew of players that looked more like the Bad News Bears than a Super Bowl contender. Gregg made millions being a defensive coordinator here for 4 years. He has been paid as if he were the head coach. I think that makes it a lot easier for him to walk away from this job given how it appears things are now going to work at the Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972FAN Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Hell, I waited this long. I'm in for the long haul now. Just wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggoman44 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 This whole mess of a screwed up situation has me really scared. Out with any continuity and in with chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longball Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 I defended Snyder when everyone bad mouths him, but everyone is right about this guy. We set up a system that stopped us from buying players giving up all of picks for years to come. We were just seeing the light. But with Cerrato at the wheel forget it. He will go for big splash deals on old players, give up picks so we get no young talent coming in. Gibbs laid the foundation for a successful 5 years with not making big time moves. He had us recovered. Cerrato will end this all in the off season, we are screwed it hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 In short, we are now the Oakland Raiders of the East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDRedskinsFan Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 This whole mess of a screwed up situation has me really scared. Out with any continuity and in with chaos.I think the media is responsible for the chaos. If people in the media would stop guessing by throwing darts it wouldn't get our hopes up so much. Plus I think Danny hates the media and has an ax to grind with them, so he's doing this out of spite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 Again, Cerrato was the FIRST person Bill Walsh fired when he returned to the 49ers front office in the 1990's. That gives one pause about giving him the keys to the kingdom. At least it would for most owners. Walsh populated the NFL with head coaches and offensive coordinators and was an especially shrewd judge of talent both on the field but also on the sidelines and front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 I think the media is responsible for the chaos. If people in the media would stop guessing by throwing darts it wouldn't get our hopes up so much. Plus I think Danny hates the media and has an ax to grind with them, so he's doing this out of spite. And because he is doing this...this franchise is going to suffer...thanks Danny. Way to put your ego aside although I do give him credit he was quick to give Vinny a promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 If you're right, I sure hope these people are telling Snyder that this is indeed the reason why they are rejecting his advances. Maybe he'll finally get it through his thick skull that what he and Vinny have been doing for the better part of 8 years IS broke and ain't working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 I think the Snyder/Cerrato combo scares the hell out of most potential coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 C'mon Bulldog. What would a schlub like Walsh know about football? Sheesh :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 the length of the search has nothing to do with the media, folks. Snyder isn't trying to get even with the media, he is simply failing to be decisive at exactly the moment when that kind of firm action is required by the man at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwitt Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 This situation is not permanent. 40 years is not that long of a time when you look at the history of the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 In short, we are now the Oakland Raiders of the East. http://extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4798215&postcount=90 Great minds think alike I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 well, Angelos finally learned after 10 straight losing seasons to get a baselball man and put him in charge so there is always hope however, in Baltimore part of the equation is economics. there are a LOT of empty seats at Orioles games these days. whereas with the Redskins, Snyder keeps making a mint each season from the operation of the team win OR lose, so he never feels the pain that we feel from having to subsidize this circus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 I think the Snyder/Cerrato combo scares the hell out of most potential coaches. Not only potential coaches...it scares the hell out of most of the fans here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 You bring up a very valid point Bulldog. If anybody argues with us just remind them what one of the first things Schottenheimer did and that's fire Cerrato. I'm beginning to wonder if we'll see another version of Brokeback Mountain starring Danny and Vinny in Broken Arrow. Because those two seem inseparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Bulldog, A question for you: who has turned down this job? No one. Why? Because Snyder hasn't offered it to anyone yet! The only guy who removed himself from the race did so because he likes his position and probably wouldn't take any head coaching position. Everyone else is waiting to hear what the decision is, or if there will be additional interviews. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COWBOY-KILLA- Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 I don't think its Cerrato thats made it hard to sell. The fact is Snyder and Vinny aren't sold on GW. And the other candidates don't really excite anyone. The pool of available coaches wasn't that great to begin with. Expand the search, Grimm, Singletary, Spags, McDaniel etc. Then decide. I do agree it looks as if GW is done. I don't think its Cerratos fault. imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APBT Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Why would anybody want to coach here other than money. Who wants to work for the I dont know brothers??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 the frantic nature of this search makes it obvious that the Redskins are a team without a true GM. Cerrato may have gained the title but obviously carries little constructive weight. as has been mentioned by others, by waiting for as long as he has, Snyder has made the job of the next HC infinitely more difficult not only by getting late start on hiring assistants and organizing the staff, but in making decisions on personnel and being ready for the start of FA and upcoming draft. Cerrato admitted he missed the Senior Bowl to prep for the second meeting with Fassel. We now have a team of assistant coaches who may or may not be here in a month, yet they are being counted on to evaluate players for the future? :laugh: Organizations with functional GMs don't operate like this. In a functional organization, the GM would have a pretty good idea of whether or not there was a replacement candidate in-house to fill the open spot and move quickly WITH A PREPARED LIST of potential outside candidates that he has had his eye on when watching other teams and seeing how their assistants perform. But this search has all the earmarks of a shot in the dark. It's funny how the Ravens can meet with Harbaugh and hire him after a reasonable period of time while the Redskins are meeting with their own IN HOUSE candidate for 10 hours or more! Doesn't Cerrato know enough about Williams after 4 years to have been able to give a thumbs up or down almost immediately after Gibbs resigned? In case people look at the 4 meetings with Williams as the exception, don't forget that the team met TWICE with Fassel as well. That's a lot of face time for guys that don't seem to pass muster for one reason or another. In 1981 when Pardee was fired after a 6-10 season and Cooke was looking to bring in another coach, how many candidates did Bobby Beathard parade in front of JKC and take to his home for overnight stays before deciding on Joe Gibbs? Part of the answer is that Beathard already had identified Gibbs as an up and coming assistant who would make an excellent HC because of his organizational skills and ability to relate to his players from his time in St. Louis and San Diego. Beathard didn't have to 'start from scratch' because as an NFL GM it was his job to identify talent both on the field and on the sidelines for situations just like this, when decisions need to be made and there really isn't time to sit there and ponder HOW you are going to work your process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furyus Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 My first post...and I'll use it to say how astonished I am at how harsh and unforgiving many on this board are towards Danny and Vinny. Seems to me we had some nice depth this past year, and aren't Doughty and Landry nice picks? Heyer? Montgomery? Do you guys think Vinny was off making sandwiches when these guys were chosen? I've been reading here for a while and my guess is that a majority on this board would've canned the entire coaching staff after the Bill's game, including Williams. Now Williams is seen as the only coach who can get us to the Promised Land. Shoot, Fassell would do a better job, and has in the past. But what do I know? This is what I know: this board will be venomous if GW gets the job and goes 6-10 this fall. And correct me if I'm wrong, but taken in context, I recall that quote of Danny's about "ain't broke" etc was specifically in regards to the hire of a GM, not on Williams being a shoe-in. Danny and Vinny are going to get this team more Lombardis - count on that. Sorry to sound, well, furious, but I'd sure like to know how well some of you geniuses perform on your job. On the warpath... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 I think Snyder is doing his do dilligence. Snyder really cant win withthefans if he makes a quick hire with out doing your homework then he isnt doing us fans any favors. He has learned from from Gibbs and i think we are seeing it in action now. Atanta has been able to look for a coach a whole week longe rthan we have and they just hired their coach Dont you think you are being to quick to jump on snyder and say he hasnt learned from Gibbs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Organizations with functional GMs don't operate like this.In a functional organization, the GM would have a pretty good idea of whether or not there was a replacement candidate in-house to fill the open spot and move quickly WITH A PREPARED LIST of potential outside candidates that he has had his eye on when watching other teams and seeing how their assistants perform. Maybe it is because Snyder didn't expect Gibbs to resign? That caught a lot of people by surprise. I know if I was running a business and my main manager suddenly decided to quit, I wouldn't have a list of replacements readily at hand. I'd have to sit down and think about my options. It is a different story if I'm preparing to fire the same manager. I'd be more prepared and have options in the wings. BTW, Wade Phillips wasn't hired until early Feb. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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