rlt2622 Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 WHEN WILL THIS MADNESS END!!!!!!!! Lets let Danny boy do his job. We can talk all we want, but it probably wont change anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newera Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Fassel is not that bad. No worse then Marty. At least he's been to a Super Bowl. Dan needs to make some concension. Release Greg, hire Fassel and keep Saunders. Or, keep Gregg and Al. Or keep Gregg and bring in Zorn or something. But not a total house cleaning. At least give the Gibbs regime one more year -- then make a decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurent Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 "Coaching searches are always a crapshoot, especially if, like Snyder, you haven't grown up in the game. Dan's last hire, the sainted Gibbs, was a no-brainer. This one carries a lot more risk. So you play the percentages, pick a former coach with a decent track record — rather than a rising-star assistant who's an even bigger gamble — and hope for the best." That's really my biggest beef with the decision to go with a retread. If we're looking outside of the current staff to hire a coach it invariably means that the roster as currently built is going to change. Given the age of some of the core contributors and the contracts they carry, there simply is no feasible way of saying "let's play this out and see how they fit his system/style". Washington has to make some important decisions about some of those guys this offseason and keeping veterans around that could clash with the new staff is ultimately going to be a recipe for disaster. Keeping this in mind, if you're going to make a change, you might a well embrace it and bring in a fresh face with fresh ideas and a new approach. Don't make this some half assed coaching change in hopes of being able to somehow capture lightning in a bottle. Commit to change. The way I see a complete re-evaluation of the current approach is in order if you're going to go with a coach outside of the organization. You can't look at the past 4 years under Gibbs and operate under the assumption that everything is just peachy and that somebody from the outside will take over the reigns and lead us to the promised land. It simply doesn't work that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stwasm Posted January 24, 2008 Author Share Posted January 24, 2008 That's assuming we don't actually already have the coach in place. There is a difference between having the coach in place and actually "naming" the coach officially. I don't think we are going to have a situation where we roll out the new coach only at a press conference. In typical Snyder fashion, it is going to be a three ring circus show that involves rolling out not only the coach, but the new coordinators, the new VP.....all the new TOYS so tp speak.. Fact is...it seems..at least from what I am reading on this board and seen on TV that a coach may already be in place...but we certainly aren't naming him until all of the coordinators in place... My post may have eluded to too much credit giving. But I do believe that Snyder has the call on ohhhhhh 99% of the decision making of the coordinators. However, don't you agree that there has to be SOME (even 1%) of that decision is based on the new HC's preference?? If not wouldn't that just be utterly irresponsible?? This IS Dan Snyder we're talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sens11 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 This IS Dan Snyder we're talking. Guess we have to call a spade a spade Stwasm! Just wishful thinking...just a little..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sens11 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Commit to change. The way I see a complete re-evaluation of the current approach is in order if you're going to go with a coach outside of the organization. You can't look at the past 4 years under Gibbs and operate under the assumption that everything is just peachy and that somebody from the outside will take over the reigns and lead us to the promised land. This I don't disagree with! As long as change is the right change! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins4ever Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Does anyone else find it odd that Snyder is hiring the coordinators FOR the coach, instead of allowing the head coach to do it himself? I find it not only odd, but simpleminded. Greg Williams record was then. Look at Norv's previous track record in the league as a head coach, and look at what's he accomplished this year. This was his first winning season since being fired from the Redskins and San Diego started off very poorly and finished as the AFC runner up. If Norv can do it, then so can Greg. Forget Fassel. Greg Williams should be our coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaganaut Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Snyder's world is different than the rest of us. He doesn't spot the obvious the way most people do. He is similar to Dr. Evil from Austin Powers. He makes broad statements by hiring people like Deion Sanders and Steve Spurrier while the fans and pundits clear our throats and tell him the obvious. It's time that Snyder familiarize himself with the word "Zeitgeist" and go with the flow rather than trying to shoehorn this team into his trophy hunting expeditions. He sidelined Brad Johnson and Darrell Green for Jeff George and Peion Sanders. He is Dr. Evil if you really look at it. He also has Mini Me with him and just promoted him to EVP. All that's missing is Mr. Bigglesworth - Pepper Rogers. Snyder should be listening to fans here and avoiding the Bernie Bickerstaff type of mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 That isn't unusual. Coaches don't always have control of what assistants get hired. For example, Williams was saddled with Gilbride in Buffalo. Jones hired Garrett before even hiring a Head CoachActually, thinking about it, I don't think Spurrier chose Marvin Lewis as the DC, Snyder did. Jason lots of coaches dont Marty didnt in SD and i dont think Norv did either when he was bought in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigantor Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 What worries me most is that maybe the good coaches don't want to work for Dan/Vinny and we might get stuck with some chump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Does anyone else find it odd that Snyder is hiring the coordinators FOR the coach, instead of allowing the head coach to do it himself? Dan Snyder is Jerrah Jones. Except for a worse stadium and no superbowl victories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COWBOY-KILLA- Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 He makes some valid points, decent devils advocate. But if it doesn't go well for GW thats one thing(we tried to ride the wave and failed), if it doesn't go well for Fassel like 2-5 that stadium will be scary. The little man will have a true nightmare on his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rafterman Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Fassel is not that bad. No worse then Marty. At least he's been to a Super Bowl. Dan needs to make some concension. Release Greg, hire Fassel and keep Saunders. Or, keep Gregg and Al. Or keep Gregg and bring in Zorn or something. But not a total house cleaning. At least give the Gibbs regime one more year -- then make a decision. That's what he wanted to do but I have a feeling Gibbs wanted an extension fo his trouble. Danny on the other hand wanted Gibbs to stick around one more year then go all out, balls to wall, for Cowher. Botton line, Dan wants a new stadium in DC. That means a BIG NAME coach, Cowher or Carrol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 I find it not only odd, but simpleminded. Greg Williams record was then. Look at Norv's previous track record in the league as a head coach, and look at what's he accomplished this year. This was his first winning season since being fired from the Redskins and San Diego started off very poorly and finished as the AFC runner up. If Norv can do it, then so can Greg. Forget Fassel. Greg Williams should be our coach. Well if history follows and williams is like norv we will be in for a long season as norv didnt exactly get a winner out of oakland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sellyoursol Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dan Snyder is Jerrah Jones.Except for a worse stadium and no superbowl victories. Actually, he's WORSE than Jerrah. Jerruh at least seems to know the rules surrounding the availability of coaches who are already under contract. This debacle is no better than poor ol' coach Joe calling the consecutive timeouts. And you're right...for all of Jerruh's foibles, he does have some serious hardware to show for it. Danny's got...well...Vinny. I wonder if Vinny ever let's the Dan hold his ring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins4ever Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Well if history follows and williams is like norv we will be in for a long season as norv didnt exactly get a winner out of oakland Oakland hasn't been the same since Bill Callahan was their coach. With San Diego, everything is in place. Norv worked with this team earlier in the decade after Snyder fired him. Merriman is the man on defense and they have players on both sides of the ball who play to the whistle. They were in the playoffs the past couple of years under Marty so it's really Marty's team but Norv Turner did well this year considering the team was in a deep hole early in the season. Greg Williams is familiar with the players on this Redskin team and should be the head coach now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillherb Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 I work in IT. I sell IT solutions for companies. This reminds me of an IT architecture overhaul. A company fits together its stuff piece by piece, like we have assembled our random coaching staff. Now there is a need for extreme change and we are not equipped to handle it. (Extreme change = our head coach retiring). We now have boast a bunch of assembled parts and it looks like an overhaul of at least the offensive strategy/personnel is likely. Their was never a long-term vision with our old coaches who came back for Gibbs - Breux, Bugel, etc. Those guys although may want to stay, might not fit into the plans of our future head coach. So they are lame duck right now in my opinion, destined to ride into the sunset the Gibbs' retirement bus. As for Saunders, well here is the interesting part. Do you find a way to keep a coach whose offense showed promise finally at the end of the year with a veteran QB, or do you tell him to see the door and issue in yet another offensive strategy, the 3rd since Gibbs 2 started, and the umpteenth since the start of the 21st century. All I can say is, the next coach we bring in, shouldn't be a "trial run". We should see something in the next candidate that screams success for the long-haul. I pull for Williams personally because the ink hasn't even dried on the storyline of one our most memorable seasons of all time in 2007, and Williams was a big part of that. But in the end of the day, we all just want success, and continuity in coaching staff breeds success. So if we choose Johnny Random from Seattle or Jim Almost ImFossilble to rationalize, Snyder better KNOW it's going to work for years. Whether he has that insight remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapitalDefense Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Fassel took over the playcalling the superbowl year, they were struggling really bad until he did. Tiki Barber went off and the rest is history. Jim Fassel is a good football coach, with a gpod defensive mind we could go places! Not just wild card rounds, home field playoff games, what a concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINS FAN #56 Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Damn I wish I could see what he sees :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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