vtfan414 Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 The name needs to stay. We have a great and storied history with this name and I believe it would be blasphemy to change it. Political correctness has become a much too powerful force in our society and we should try to resist it as much as possible. I know there has been a trend to change team names because of the protests of small but loud activist groups and quite frankly as a principle I will not route for any team that caves to those pressures. This would include the Redskins. I will always be a fan of the Washington Redskins but I will not be a fan of any other Washington football team of a different name. Using the logic that a team name might offend a few people you could banish many team names that are respected today. For example: The Notre Dame "Fighting Irish" : This name spreads the stereotype of the Irish being a violent people. Furthermore, the depiction of the Irishman on their logo is wholly unflattering, comical, and not representive of the wide variety of interests and peoples that make up the Irish ethnicity. The Minnesota Vikings: This name furthers the historical depiction of people from scandinavian countries as only brute and bloodthirsty warriors. Infact scandinavian people displayed great nautical skills and were intrepid explorers, who reached America before columbus. Both the name "Vikings" and the mascots that are employed show no consideration for the diversity of this group. If you open the floodgates of political correctness you will find that many of the names today are not above criticism and therefore not above removal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DButz65 Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Good lord it must be the offseason, the name Redskins isnt considered racist, even when american indians were polled on the subject, someone posted a link a while back on this very thing and alot more american indians did not think it was racist than those that thought it was. I cant find the link or thread. The Redskins are the Redskins, and always will be, end of story, next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 uh. Hail to the what then? If you're gonna suggest something, come up with an alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 uh. Hail to the what then?If you're gonna suggest something, come up with an alternative. Hail to the Victors Valiant Hail to the Conquering Heroes... ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 can we be the Fighting Brunell's? Hail to the Brunell's!!! and original poster, just read some info on the origination of the name and the logo. You will be pleasantly surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBach Posted January 24, 2008 Author Share Posted January 24, 2008 can we be the Fighting Brunell's?Hail to the Brunell's!!! and original poster, just read some info on the origination of the name and the logo. You will be pleasantly surprised. All I remember about the origin of the name is that The Boston Braves moved out of Braves stadium in Boston, and moved to fenway Park where the RED Sox played. I am guessing this is why Marshall changed the name to the REDskins. All I was basicly saying is that this team, this storied franchise, is going backward. I will forever be a fan of Pro Football in Washington DC (or Maryland, wherever they play) And while it is true, I dont have a stake in what Indians may or may not think, Why would I stand in their way. I am glad that black activists had white civil rights champions in our corner, but I guess Bobby Kennedy and others could have said, why should I care, it doesnt affect me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 There's never going to be a "time" to retire the name. Frankly, we're all going to have to accept that it one day will change whether we like it or not. However, it's not going to feel like the right thing regardless of when it happens. It's just going to have to happen and eventually everyone will get over it. I just hope they can find a way to keep the colors and logo, which I personally don't think is offensive (while on the other hand I see the argument against the name). At least that way my jerseys will continue to be relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 BS? I dont think that the American Indians consider this BS. Abe Pollin changed the name of the Bullets to the wizards because he had friends gunned down, and thought the name had ties to violence. It is not something new to teams. Why did they change the words to HTTR? Did someone find a problem with the word Dixie? Maybe we could bring that word back, and fly a confederate flag while were at it. Maybe you are thinking, its only a word. Fine, I can think of a bunch sure to annoy certain segments of the population. But hey, they dont apply to me, so whats the big deal., its just a word. you're absolutely right its just a word. from what I can tell (I could be 100% wrong) you're not an American Indian so it doesn't mater what you think on the matter, and anywhere between 65-95% of American Indians agree with the majority of sentiments on this boardSO :stfu::sucks: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Incase anyone was wondering, the pronouncation of Bach in German is Bit-itch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 and anywhere between 65-95% of American Indians agree with the majority of sentiments on this board Unfortunately, the whole point of minority rights applies even to the minority of the minority. The name will be changed: it's just a matter of when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBach Posted January 24, 2008 Author Share Posted January 24, 2008 Incase anyone was wondering, the pronouncation of Bach in German is Bit-itch.That is hillarious, I am sure all of my students in music appreciation class will find it funny as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Unfortunately, the whole point of minority rights applies even to the minority of the minority. The name will be changed: it's just a matter of when. the point of minority rights isn't to protect their sensitivity, as bad as that sounds. minority rights is a political term for protecting the minority from the majority's lawmaking and ensuring that their constitutional rights are protected, whether it be racial or political parties. the name falls nowhere into the domain of rights, it is a private trademark and the fact that hardly anyone gives a **** means that the name should stay. unfortunatly we've mixed uo minority rights as a society with the majority pandering to the feelings of the minority through politically correct bull****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 the point of minority rights isn't to protect their sensitivity, as bad as that sounds. minority rights is a political term for protecting the minority from the majority's lawmaking and ensuring that their constitutional rights are protected, whether it be racial or political parties. the name falls nowhere into the domain of rights, it is a private trademark and the fact that hardly anyone gives a **** means that the name should stay. unfortunatly we've mixed uo minority rights as a society with the majority pandering to the feelings of the minority through politically correct bull****. I'm not saying the name shouldn't say. I'm attatched to it too. I'm just saying it's going to change; there's no way around it. The sooner we accept that eventually it will be gone, the easier it will be to accept when it finally happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBach Posted January 24, 2008 Author Share Posted January 24, 2008 If what we are hearing is true, our team will be recieving a complete overhaul. Not the continuety we were hoping for. Would this be the prime time for the organization to change the name? We started as the Braves, in Boston. I dont know if that name is considered racist, but I am sure that a non descript name could be found. Since our owner is a buisnessman, perhaps he could sell the naming rights to the team. The Washington .comers. or something equally bland. Got any sugestions?Just thought I would bring up the original post. Pretty harmless really. This debate has been going on for years, perhaps if Marshall had named the team, the Hebes, or the Spics, or the ******s, it would have offended a larger majority. Check www.edgeofsports.com/2003-08-28-18/ Like I said there are gonna be plenty of articles on both sides here on the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 That is hillarious, I am sure all of my students in music appreciation class will find it funny as well. well damn if that doesnt make all the sense about your thread, not only are you a leftist but your a music teacher. Hell a swift breeze offends you. I dont want to encourage any suicides, so Im just gonna say that people think your a good person for your irrational(please read positive) crusade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Unfortunately, the whole point of minority rights applies even to the minority of the minority. The name will be changed: it's just a matter of when. Um, I believe they call that tyranny of the minority. And no, minority rights means that a political, economic, ethnic minorities have the right to be left alone and treated equally before the law---NOT the right not to be offended by something either in another subculture or in their own. They may, of course, issue their own critiques of the society in which they live but there's no such thing as freedom from offense, otherwise you create an unjust society founded on reaction, emotionalism, irrationalism and caprice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoGood28 Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Shut up cry baby. If it the term truly offends Native Americans as you imply, there would already be a thread created by an actual one instead of some whiny crusader, wouldn't there? It is people like you that is making this world UNLIVABLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Join Date: Aug 2006 You've been here long enough to know that this topic has been discussed at least a trillion times. NNT, at a minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATV Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 I dunno. Who cares. At least that's how I feel. This is a great time to retire from being a Redskins fanatic, that's for sure. It still doesn't make any sense to me. Gibbs had another year left. He pledged to fufill it. This was his team. He and the team had unfinished business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 I dunno. Who cares. At least that's how I feel. This is a great time to retire from being a Redskins fanatic, that's for sure.It still doesn't make any sense to me. Gibbs had another year left. He pledged to fufill it. This was his team. He and the team had unfinished business. I second that emotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 BS? I dont think that the American Indians consider this BS. Abe Pollin changed the name of the Bullets to the wizards because he had friends gunned down, and thought the name had ties to violence. It is not something new to teams. Why did they change the words to HTTR? Did someone find a problem with the word Dixie? Maybe we could bring that word back, and fly a confederate flag while were at it. Maybe you are thinking, its only a word. Fine, I can think of a bunch sure to annoy certain segments of the population. But hey, they dont apply to me, so whats the big deal., its just a word. I agree that the American Indians might have a problem with the name Redskins. But if the biggest problem facing the American Indian community is the name of a team, which I doubt, then they have it pretty damn good. The same could be said for the blacks & the confederate flag. Besides from what I've seen & read/heard the Washington Redskins are by far the favorite team of the American Indian community. Hey I'm 1/4 Irish the name of Notre Dame sports teams offends me, the term Fighting Irish is derogatory & makes everyone think we like to get drunk & fight. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneBoost Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 WOW, not another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Pressure Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 BS? I dont think that the American Indians consider this BS. Abe Pollin changed the name of the Bullets to the wizards because he had friends gunned down, and thought the name had ties to violence. It is not something new to teams. Why did they change the words to HTTR? Did someone find a problem with the word Dixie? Maybe we could bring that word back, and fly a confederate flag while were at it. Maybe you are thinking, its only a word. Fine, I can think of a bunch sure to annoy certain segments of the population. But hey, they dont apply to me, so whats the big deal., its just a word. American Indians= Indians, people indigenous to India. Native Americans= people native to the continents of North/South America Whether it is racist or not differs from which person you talk to. Some Native Americans I've met are Redskins fan and think that the name isn't racist, and the logo is dignified. Others clearly find it to be racist. I think before anyone talks about changing the team name, someone calls up the Cleveland Indians and tells them to change their logo, or calls up the Atlanta Braves and tells them to drop the tomahawk logo and fan involvment thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBach Posted January 24, 2008 Author Share Posted January 24, 2008 well damn if that doesnt make all the sense about your thread, not only are you a leftist but your a music teacher. Hell a swift breeze offends you. I dont want to encourage any suicides, so Im just gonna say that people think your a good person for your irrational(please read positive) crusade.I believe in equality, so Im a leftist? Hmmm. And, Yes, I am a music teacher at a New Jersey University, that must make me a pinko. It amazes me how much personal misinformation you can get from reading peoples comments. It is not my crusade, there are people who really feel deeply about this. I was making a broad statement about the sorry state of our football team. Hell, Why not change the name, we have an owner that wants status quo one minute, and wants to totally clean house the next. Dan claims he is a fan of the team, would a fan remove the name of the owner who got the stadium built in the first place? As long as the money rolls in I dont think he cares what the name of the team is. Dont worry about me and suicide, I am content with my life. I understand that football is just a game. And btw, I am not a registered Democrat, so, go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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