SkinsHokieFan Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Alright folks, there are still many people not sold on GW as head coach, and there are many legit reasons for it The 17-31 record in Buffalo The poor relationship he had with management there The percieved arrogance, lack of adjustments and probably the 2006 season It never was a slam dunk he would not be a head coach Therefore the coaching search was a GOOD thing, go out and find the best person to lead this team for years HOWEVER that makes hiring Jim Fassel an even worse move If the team were to go outside of the organization and not keep Coach Williams, who has the support of the locker room, would maintain continuity, and build upon Gibbs 2.0, why would the team go after a 58 year old who has done nothing of note since being fired in New York following the 2003 season Fassel did put his chips on the table and lead the Giants to an improbable Super Bowl appearance in 2000 However he also lost his team in 2003. His teams were generally undisciplined and poor in the clutch Blew a 24 point lead in a playoff game following the 2002 season. Got embarrased in the Superbowl to a Ravens team with basically no offense And since the 2003 firing has been a consultant/offensive coordinator/whatever with the Ravens and was FIRED from that position If it was Jim Caldwell, Jim Schwartz, Jim Harbaugh, someone young, someone who hasn't been a head coach before, this move would make sense. Bringing in a 58 year old who has not been successful in years is the wrong move to make for this team. Finding a better alternative to GW is not, but Jim Fassel is not that alternative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsMaster88 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 For some reason. I think hiring Fassel would just be hiring another coach thats looking for a big pay day. I can see it now, he's going to coach for 2 seasons and then we will be in this same exact position in 2010. I can almost guarantee it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boy2Der Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I totally agree if your going to not hire GW at least give us some hope not somebody who no one else even considered. I'd much rather have Meeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamyesme1111 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Read Jumbo's thread called "what do you do for a living." You have no idea what is going on compared to them. Fassel might come and WIN, obviously they think he will if they are going to hire him, and they know alot more then we do. Thats why we are FANS and we don't work for the team, because we don't KNOW anything compared to them. We will have to support whoever they bring in, complaining about it on a message board isn't really gonna change their decision on anything .:2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Execution56 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I buy ur argument... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurent Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I think it can be summed up even shorter. The problem is Daniel Snyder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever21 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 If the team were to go outside of the organization and not keep Coach Williams, who has the support of the locker room, would maintain continuity, and build upon Gibbs 2.0, why would the team go after a 58 year old who has done nothing of note since being fired in New York following the 2003 season I think you make good points but I think what I quoted above is making an awfully big assumption. We do not know that GW will bring continuity. Maybe it's safe to assume he brings continuity to the defence. That is very good obviously. Except that he refuses to upgrade the defensive line and keeps building the secondary which we know is how a good defense is built but not a great one. The offense it sure appears is getting blown up one way or the other and I think continuity on the offensive side is more important for us right now. Jason is going to have to learn a new system...AGAIN. Personally I'm not sold on anyone. But then again, other than Joe Gibbs 3.0 I am going to be aprehensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
applejaxs213 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 im in the same boat as you. how long will this guy really be a coach for? it seems like the only thing synder wants is an old coach with no possible future growth. jim schwartz and others could grow to become great coaches if given the opportunity. fasssel was already given the chance and he proved he was ineffective as a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrumanB Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Read Jumbo's thread called "what do you do for a living."You have no idea what is going on compared to them. Fassel might come and WIN, obviously they think he will if they are going to hire him, and they know alot more then we do. Thats why we are FANS and we don't work for the team, because we don't KNOW anything compared to them. We will have to support whoever they bring in, complaining about it on a message board isn't really gonna change their decision on anything .:2cents: No, what we have is a history of bad decisions by Snyder since buying this team. I don't have to be an owner or GM of a football team to know that. This move seems to be more of the same. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted January 23, 2008 Author Share Posted January 23, 2008 Read Jumbo's thread called "what do you do for a living."You have no idea what is going on compared to them. Fassel might come and WIN, obviously they think he will if they are going to hire him, and they know alot more then we do. Thats why we are FANS and we don't work for the team, because we don't KNOW anything compared to them. We will have to support whoever they bring in, complaining about it on a message board isn't really gonna change their decision on anything .:2cents: I am not a pilot, nor do I know how to fly a plane But I know when the damn plane is crashing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankRizzo Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 new sig time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 When I'm watching the Super Bowl in a week and a half, I don't think the line "retread coaches are bad ideas" will be going thru my mind a lot. Nor was it in last year's. I would have rather hired Schwartz or Ryan and kept Saunders, but I'm not at all sure Fassel won't be a good coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 It's becoming increasingly clear to me that whatever Jerry Jones does, Danny is sure to copy. Jones hires a legend in Parcells; Danny hires a legend in Gibbs. Jones hires a retread coach who is happy to be a placeholder and pairs him with a hot young coordinator. Danny does it with Fassel and Ryan. I suspect - and don't hold me to this - that Danny thinks that he can easily fire Fassel next year and hire Cowher and - barring that - promote Ryan in one or two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Fassel will be gone too in one year exactly. We are doomed as fans to retardation in the front office. Snyder has learned NOTHING from Joe Gibbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted January 23, 2008 Author Share Posted January 23, 2008 It's becoming increasingly clear to me that whatever Jerry Jones does' date=' Danny is sure to copy. Jones hires a legend in Parcells; Danny hires a legend in Gibbs. Jones hires a retread coach who is happy to be a placeholder and pairs him with a hot young coordinator. Danny does it with Fassel and Ryan. I suspect - and don't hold me to this - that Danny thinks that he can easily fire Fassel next year and hire Cowher and - barring that - promote Ryan in one or two years.[/quote'] Actually I hope Snyder promotes Jim Zorn in 2 years. Ryan looked good with the talent he had on that D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Actually I hope Snyder promotes Jim Zorn in 2 years. Ryan looked good with the talent he had on that D Maybe. But Zorn is 54 and hasn't been even a coordinator since his time at Utah State. I don't know if he is really on the head coach track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currahee Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I say give Fassel a chance. You never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
styx491 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 new sig time :laugh: That made me chuckle. I would have rather not, but it made me laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavy1955 Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 vinny will bring this team down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddub52 Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 I agree 100% Its hard to imagine being excited for the start of next season without having JG on the sidelines. Then to add to it we are going to have Fossil on the sidelines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 I agree with the OP, however I would add to the problem that the entire list of candidates left something to be desired. I would be happy if they showed that there word is true and interviewed more people during this week. There are more candidates out there that are at least worth speaking with. However if we only interview Spags from here on out, it's obvious Fassel is the choice and they are just waiting us out. Which is another sign of the FO having little respect for our collective intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Think about this since they were both fired who has been the hotter coaching prospect Norv Turner or Jim Fassel? Norv Turner BY A MILE Who has been the hotter coordinator prospect Norv Turner BY A MILE If he's such a good coach as some in the media say why are team after team passing up on him? His last years in coaching were abysmal failures -- the Giants at the end were one of the worst teams in the NFL at 4-12, Baltimore's offense ranked near the bottom. The Giants never had consecutive winning season. So he had one run at the Superbowl one season, well that negates everything. Well, clearly the rest of the NFL disagrees -- never mind him not getting NFL head coaching jobs, he's not even on the radar screens it seems for any NFL team besides the Skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskin44 Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Bingo! :applause: Fa-Sell your soul to the devil is certainly not a good hire. If he is hired, it will change the way I watch and support Redskins football. Completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Smith Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 This is the lamest hire ever. As someone posted earlier, it's like the something the late 80's / early 90's Bullets would have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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