StillUnknown Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I understand others will see things differently, but I didn't think the fight was even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) Are you suggesting that Lederman thought the fight was fixed before the start now ? I know what I saw "TWICE" also. And the fight was close. Again, Bradley may have got hit a few times but he fought back and it didn't stop him, to the point he actually dominated the late rounds. Sick, I am certainly not a professional, but I have been watching fights since the 70's (many older fights on film too) and at this point it's a wash. Fight is over and Bradley won. I see it as a one round difference, perhaps even a tie. But while watching I got 7-5 Pac. Side Note: Your compubox and Lederman references don't make your point any better. Edited June 11, 2012 by Kosher Ham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Compubox tells you who threw and landed the most punches. Ho does that not make my point? Pacquiao landed almost 90 more power shots. Pacquiao connected on a much better percentage. Plus Bradley stated, "I have to go and watch the tape to see if I really won." And apparently admitted defeat to Bob Arum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Power shots that had no effect. That says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Power shots that had no effect. That says it all. They didn't? Bradley was shaken at least two times. And Bradley DOES have a good chin and good foot work which kept him from getting KOed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 And Bradley came back swinging. No effect... if you are winning by your account at least 2 of the last 3 rounds. You are beating a dead horse here. We all agree that Pac should have won, but he didn't...get over it. It's not changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) And Bradley came back swinging. No effect... if you are winning by your account at least 2 of the last 3 rounds. You are beating a dead horse here. We all agree that Pac should have won, but he didn't...get over it. It's not changing. I'm not even the least disappointed because Pacquiao did win the fight, he just didn't get the decision and in my opinion, didn't lose an ounce of luster. But I'm not trying to hear that it was a close fight because it wasn't. Too many people (me included) who saw the fight says Pacquiao easily won this fight. Edited June 11, 2012 by DM72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 After 12th rd, but before the judges scores were announced, odds in Vegas were 200 to 1 on Bradley winning decision over Pacquiao. In other words, Vegas knew the fix was in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaticSkinsFan Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 If Victor Ortiz wins later this month, he could be in line to face the Canelo Alvarez in September. Interesting Yet the people paid to judge the fight ...across the board saw the fight only one round different. He was not robbed. He lost a close fight that he probably should have won. Does that make you feel better ? The fight was close. It was not robbery or a blow-out. That's not robbery or dominance. Pac should have dominated. He didn't. precisely my feeling. It was a very close fight and I feel both guys missed a lot, hence why Im throwing question on those compubox figures. This is what recent Pacquiao opponents have looked like after Manny connects on around 40% of his power punches This is Bradley post fight not the best comparison, but Pacquiao can really hurt guys when connecting. He didnt here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WALEOVECHKIN Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Compubox is human operated, so it isn't without flaw. It shouldn't be the end all be all for "power punches" IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaticSkinsFan Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 They didn't? Bradley was shaken at least two times. And Bradley DOES have a good chin and good foot work which kept him from getting KOed. the one time Bradley was "shaken" was when he rolled his ankle. I bet the other time was also when his ankle and apparently broken foot was bothering him and he lost balance. After 12th rd, but before the judges scores were announced, odds in Vegas were 200 to 1 on Bradley winning decision over Pacquiao.In other words, Vegas knew the fix was in. did you check the odds before the scores were announced in the Margarito fight? Or Clottey? I bet they were similar. ---------- Post added June-11th-2012 at 07:06 PM ---------- Compubox is human operated, so it isn't without flaw. It shouldn't be the end all be all for "power punches" IMO its two guys who tap a button to say where the punch connected. they focus solely on both fighters. Its a great tool, but like you said its not end all be all and they have been biased in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) It's totally amazing that virtually every ex and current boxer, boxing trainers, boxing jounalist and practically everybody who saw the fight had Pacquiao easily winning a decision and so far, the only people I know that had Bradley winning were the judges? From what I heard, a ton of late money was being put on Bradley. Pacquiao went from a 4-1 favorite to an underdog. Interesting. Edited June 11, 2012 by DM72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiCkSoULjA Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 The more I watch the closer it gets too me like someone said I can't remember who there were only three rounds that was clear the entire fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Let's just say this will be the most watched replay ever on HBO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaticSkinsFan Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 The more I watch the closer it gets too me like someone said I can't remember who there were only three rounds that was clear the entire fight. I said it earlier. For me, only the 2nd to 5th round were convincing rounds for Pacquaio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I said it earlier. For me, only the 2nd to 5th round were convincing rounds for Pacquaio. The 2nd round is one of the few rounds I gave Bradley. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiCkSoULjA Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 The 2nd round is one of the few rounds I gave Bradley. I think he maybe mixing up the second with the fourth round, second round was a Bradley round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaticSkinsFan Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) I didnt see the 2nd as a Bradley round. Altho I meant 3-5 were when Manny clearly won, so my mistake. the 2nd round was a close round that I gave to Manny. Edited June 11, 2012 by AsiaticSkinsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldbean Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Serious question: Was there a single respected boxer or "boxing expert" who thought Bradley won that fight? FWIW, anyone suggesting the HBO crew was pro-Pacquiao or biased in his favor wasn't watching/listening to the broadcast. Before the fight, both Kellerman and Steward were pushing Bradley hard, claiming he was more dangerous than people thought. It was Pacquiao's performance that turned them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) Serious question: Was there a single respected boxer or "boxing expert" who thought Bradley won that fight?FWIW, anyone suggesting the HBO crew was pro-Pacquiao or biased in his favor wasn't watching/listening to the broadcast. Before the fight, both Kellerman and Steward were pushing Bradley hard, claiming he was more dangerous than people thought. It was Pacquiao's performance that turned them. I haven't seen one. Kellerman & Steward are the sane ones, its that Lampley character that's terrible. He talks the most so I guess most start to attribute his ramblings to his partners in crime. Edited June 12, 2012 by StillUnknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiCkSoULjA Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I haven't seen one.Kellerman & Steward are the sane ones, its that Lampley character that's terrible. He talks the most so I guess most start to attribute his ramblings to his partners in crime. Brian Kenny scored it 118-112 Bradley LOL that's crazy right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Brian Kenny scored it 118-112 Bradley LOL that's crazy right there If Brian Kenny was ever respected, he just lost a lot of respect. Dude obviously has an agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WALEOVECHKIN Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Chris Mannix from SI.com had it 115-113 Bradley, the guy doing the British broadcast with Khan had it close but I don't think he ever gave a score just did it round by round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 It's not the "HBO telecast" that is über-pro PAC, it's Jim Lampley, and he's pretty shameless about it. The Bradley fight is not the best example, go watch PAC/JMM 3 and try and get a hold of the British telecast and compare it to Lampley slobbering all over himself anytime PAC connects with a punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Chris Mannix from SI.com had it 115-113 Bradley, the guy doing the British broadcast with Khan had it close but I don't think he ever gave a score just did it round by round. Wrong. Mannix had it 115-113 in favor of Pac. http://www.mydesert.com/article/20120610/SPORTS03/206100331/Analysis-Timothy-Bradley-win-over-Manny-Pacquiao-stuns-boxing-writers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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