jparks Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 John Elway in 42 games to start his career had a 57 completion percentage, 44 TD's, 40 INT's. Campbell has only played 20 games guys give him a break. All these people on Todd Collins' jock saying JC is garbage should probably calm down and give the kid some time to develop. I've even seen posts saying they "know" that Campbell cannot and will not lead this team consistantly. How do you "know" this? Are you the same people that said last year the Colts defense couldn't just all of a sudden play well in the playoffs, after stinking it up all season? Cause people are wrong all the time trying to predict other's futures. There is a reason Todd Collins has been riding the pine for 15 years. He's average at best. I'm not saying JC is the answer, but I am saying Collins is not. Also I have seen a bunch of posts, many by the Campbell "haters" talking about our WR's saying they are "playmakers." They haven't played like playmakers this season! We had to sign Keenan McCardell off the street at the beginning of the season. He's ancient. James Thrash a "special teamer for life" caught 2 TD's in one game, and prior to that none of these great playmakers at WR had caught one!! Randle El has been hurt a lot this season, and Moss seems to be hurt a lot as well. Having them healthy might make a difference. One more offensive threat would be nice as well as some OL depth. Campbell is not a problem yet. If he ceases to develop, then cut him loose. But these so called experts on this board I have a feeling are going to have feast on their own words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 finally, someone has the courage to start a Jason Campbell thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinthemboys Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 poor ol' horse. Stop the beating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketCitySkins Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 finally, someone has the courage to start a Jason Campbell thread! I almost started one but I know it just invites the haters in. Since ESPN placed Jason at number 18 this year, up 10 spots from last year, I wanted to know where people think he has improved the most. Besides the shortened arm motion, the biggest difference I see is the way he is stepping up into the pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 I almost started one but I know it just invites the haters in. zoony was being sarcastic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 This ain't the 80s and Campbell was not an Elway-like prospect coming out of college. Elway was more mobile and had a stronger arm. And even the completion percentage is a reflection of the era. Only since the West Coast spread and the rules became more friendly to short passing game did you see comp pct EXPECTED to be at 65 percent for excellent QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLWORLD Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 People might have debates but I hardly think anyone "hates" JC... Some are just worried, others just want to complain about something.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderMustGo Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 This isn't hard to figure out. We invested 3 picks in this guy. That could be 3 starters. His play on the field has not warranted it. We got guys like Romo sits to pee, Garrard, Derek Anderson, Cutler, and even Todd frickin' Collins looking better than him. He should be way be well ahead of where he is right now. That is the problem. With the investment we have in him, he should be farther along. But when Todd Collins came in and ran our offense, we saw how far behind JC really is. All the potential in the world doesn't mean jack if you don't perform. And far from performing this year, he actually seems to regress at times (e.g., fumbling, choking at end of games), still missing wide open WRs, still not displaying any touch, still not showing a grasp on the offense, still looking slow on reads, and worst of all, still not looking like a guy we invested so heavily in. To be honest, the thing that makes it most frustrating of all is all the jock-sniffers on this board who make excuse after excuse for the guy and blame everyone else for his limitations. That's obnoxious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFan48 Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 well said. I tired of people bashing JC. I think they need to look in the mirror. John Elway in 42 games to start his career had a 57 completion percentage, 44 TD's, 40 INT's. Campbell has only played 20 games guys give him a break. All these people on Todd Collins' jock saying JC is garbage should probably calm down and give the kid some time to develop. I've even seen posts saying they "know" that Campbell cannot and will not lead this team consistantly. How do you "know" this? Are you the same people that said last year the Colts defense couldn't just all of a sudden play well in the playoffs, after stinking it up all season? Cause people are wrong all the time trying to predict other's futures. There is a reason Todd Collins has been riding the pine for 15 years. He's average at best. I'm not saying JC is the answer, but I am saying Collins is not.Also I have seen a bunch of posts, many by the Campbell "haters" talking about our WR's saying they are "playmakers." They haven't played like playmakers this season! We had to sign Keenan McCardell off the street at the beginning of the season. He's ancient. James Thrash a "special teamer for life" caught 2 TD's in one game, and prior to that none of these great playmakers at WR had caught one!! Randle El has been hurt a lot this season, and Moss seems to be hurt a lot as well. Having them healthy might make a difference. One more offensive threat would be nice as well as some OL depth. Campbell is not a problem yet. If he ceases to develop, then cut him loose. But these so called experts on this board I have a feeling are going to have feast on their own words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 well said. I tired of people bashing JC. I think they need to look in the mirror. What, are they not cheering hard enough? That's why we were losing? Wait, are some of those critics actually Skins players? What exactly would looking in the mirror accomplish with regards to criticism of JCampbell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mi6 Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 This isn't hard to figure out.We invested 3 picks in this guy. That could be 3 starters. His play on the field has not warranted it. We got guys like Romo sits to pee, Garrard, Derek Anderson, Cutler, and even Todd frickin' Collins looking better than him. He should be way be well ahead of where he is right now. That is the problem. With the investment we have in him, he should be farther along. But when Todd Collins came in and ran our offense, we saw how far behind JC really is. All the potential in the world doesn't mean jack if you don't perform. And far from performing this year, he actually seems to regress at times (e.g., fumbling, choking at end of games), still missing wide open WRs, still not displaying any touch, still not showing a grasp on the offense, still looking slow on reads, and worst of all, still not looking like a guy we invested so heavily in. To be honest, the thing that makes it most frustrating of all is all the jock-sniffers on this board who make excuse after excuse for the guy and blame everyone else for his limitations. That's obnoxious. Thanks! This is eloquently said... and, I echo your sentiments. He have too much invested in JC, and as of yet have received very little in terms of returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorcoreskin Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 To be honest, the thing that makes it most frustrating of all is all the jock-sniffers on this board who make excuse after excuse for the guy and blame everyone else for his limitations. That's obnoxious. Tell me about it. :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyc Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 :logo: I just want to say something to all the JC haters stop hatin and give the man time to developed. We didn't tell the team to give up three picks for him but since we did we have to give him time, an its not goin to come over night guys. I hate when people compare him to other QB's just starting in the league. Romo sits to pee been in the league five years, two yrs working on his game before JC came in the League an one more yr the yr JC came in , so thats 3yrs working on his game all together so he should be better. Hes had a healthy line, healthy receivers and better coaching all this yr so far. Jay cutler ist'n doing any better than JC. Anderson is doing good with every one around him healthy all year so far. Garrade doing good with everyone healthy around him. So stop comparing him to everyone because were not going to get a instant top notch QB over night because it takes time at least two or more yrs of starting. Yeah I want us to get back to those superbowl winning days, I was lovin those days but I no its goin to take some time specialy with the moves our front office has made over the last five yrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorcoreskin Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 What, are they not cheering hard enough? That's why we were losing? Wait, are some of those critics actually Skins players?What exactly would looking in the mirror accomplish with regards to criticism of JCampbell? If our offense continues to look significantly better without Jason in the game, do you think these threads insinuating that those who critize Jason MUST be racist will continue to pervade this board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 No, those insinuations won't go away. Just like evidence, logic and reason don't make a lot of people's suspicions and complaints disappear. THAT SAID, Jason is a good guy, from all accounts, and I really want him to succeed and I think, based on my own timetable, that next year should be his year of reckoning. Even if he does not quite pan out here in DC, he'd still easily fit the right system and would be an excellent backup. I hope he does become what we hoped. Kinda sad we've had two really great young guys at QB. At least one of them should work out for us. I still believe we weren't patient enough with the last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan1523 Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 This isn't hard to figure out.We invested 3 picks in this guy. That could be 3 starters. His play on the field has not warranted it. We got guys like Romo sits to pee, Garrard, Derek Anderson, Cutler, and even Todd frickin' Collins looking better than him. He should be way be well ahead of where he is right now. That is the problem. With the investment we have in him, he should be farther along. But when Todd Collins came in and ran our offense, we saw how far behind JC really is. All the potential in the world doesn't mean jack if you don't perform. And far from performing this year, he actually seems to regress at times (e.g., fumbling, choking at end of games), still missing wide open WRs, still not displaying any touch, still not showing a grasp on the offense, still looking slow on reads, and worst of all, still not looking like a guy we invested so heavily in. To be honest, the thing that makes it most frustrating of all is all the jock-sniffers on this board who make excuse after excuse for the guy and blame everyone else for his limitations. That's obnoxious. I think you should change the names and put this message on the Giants board because this post makes more sense there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 I would like to reiterate a statement I made earlier this season. Jason Campbell will have a Super Bowl Ring in 5 years. That means by the 2013 Super Bowl. Guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Thanks! This is eloquently said... and, I echo your sentiments. He have too much invested in JC, and as of yet have received very little in terms of returns. Are we new to the wonderful world of football? Well, ill let you in on a little secret. Each NFL season is 16 games. Typically even the best young QB's dont start to play well till the end of their second season of starting. Jason Campell has started a *drum roll* grand total of 20 games(sorry to throw in the math as well, ill try and keep it simple). Meanwhile hes shown a lot of promise, has a postive TD/INT ratio, and is second in the NFL rushing as a QB. I know people dont want "facts" and "reason" brought into this, but if you look at the top 10 QBs in the NFL this year, youll see a line of QBs who performed at or below JC's level through their first 20 games, with a grand total of *another drum roll*, 3 exceptions. These being Rothlisberger(and the season of 18 attempts a game), Cutler, and Romo sits to pee. Yes, wouldnt it be great if JC came out and put up 50 TD's his first season starting! But it rarely happens. I know americans like their short attention spans and their ability to forget things 5 seconds after the fact, but it does get really out of hand at times. Its how congress has a single digit approval rating and yet they get re-elected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jparks Posted December 15, 2007 Author Share Posted December 15, 2007 Campbell has been progressing. Maybe not as fast as some would want, but he's getting there none the less. The only reason I brought this subject up was because I kept seeing posts saying "now that we have Collins in, we're looking at 3-0 and getting in the playoffs." Collins is not better than Campbell, period. And how people think that Collins has now turned the corner after 15 yrs in the league, and he's the answer, that is obnoxious. Also those who think that debate over Campbell is a racial thing, I can see both sides of the fence. It is not a race thing with me. Let me make something clear. I think Campbell needs to show something more as well. He seems to be lacking behind the curve. I would agree that if Campbell isn't significantly better next year, then we should start weighing our options. Just no rash or quick decisions. We've had enough of those in the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chow184 Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 People might have debates but I hardly think anyone "hates" JC... Some are just worried, others just want to complain about something.. jason campbell ruined taylorcoreskins life OH NO!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneBoost Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 At least Brunell would win us a close game, IE, Dallas, Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Grundle Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 This isn't hard to figure out.We invested 3 picks in this guy. That could be 3 starters. His play on the field has not warranted it. We got guys like Romo sits to pee, Garrard, Derek Anderson, Cutler, and even Todd frickin' Collins looking better than him. He should be way be well ahead of where he is right now. That is the problem. With the investment we have in him, he should be farther along. But when Todd Collins came in and ran our offense, we saw how far behind JC really is. All the potential in the world doesn't mean jack if you don't perform. And far from performing this year, he actually seems to regress at times (e.g., fumbling, choking at end of games), still missing wide open WRs, still not displaying any touch, still not showing a grasp on the offense, still looking slow on reads, and worst of all, still not looking like a guy we invested so heavily in. To be honest, the thing that makes it most frustrating of all is all the jock-sniffers on this board who make excuse after excuse for the guy and blame everyone else for his limitations. That's obnoxious. WE decided to give up 3 picks for him, he didn't swindle us into doing it. At the time, he was a projected 2nd or 3rd round pick. No other team in the league would have drafted Campbell in the first round, much less traded up to do so. So hate the front office instead. His limitations were well documented when he came out. Bad throwing motion, and questionable ability to grasp complex offensive schemes. If you think we gave up too much for him, blame the FO. They placed unrealistic expectations on his shoulders when they traded multiple picks to move up into the first round to draft a projected 2nd or 3rd rounder. Not his fault. I think Jason is playing at or probably above the level that was expected by most scouts and GM's when he was drafted. Which is why it seems almost everyone except a handful of Redskins fans have been pleasantly suprised with his progress so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigantor Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 ok, if Collins plays well and doesn't fumble, throw interceptions, is accurate and the offense clicks and we win sunday. Will you admit that since everything else has been the same, that the qb is the cause? Also, if Collins wins the next 3 games and takes us to the playoffs, will you admit that JC may not be "the future"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagleskins Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 The Elway comparison is terrible. Elway could throw the ball about 30 yards further than Campbell with more velocity, and he could beat Campbell in a race with a fat girl strapped to his back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
909997 Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 The Elway comparison is terrible. Elway could throw the ball about 30 yards further than Campbell with more velocity, and he could beat Campbell in a race with a fat girl strapped to his back. dude ur overating elway yes elway was fast and campbell got his same speed. Remm defenses now r bigger and faster. Campbell actully has a faster 40 yard dash time then elway. If it werent 4 elways 2 sbs we woulnt even be taking about him. Did u forget denver was about to bench elway 4-5 times in his career? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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