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BALTIMORE (Map, News) - Students disputed the police version of Tuesday’s brutal assault of a 26-year-old woman on a Baltimore City bus and claimed the “victim” started the fight and used the “N” word.

Robert Poole Middle School students who were on the No. 27 bus around 3 p.m. Tuesday say Sarah Kreager and her boyfriend provoked nine students in an attack that left her with broken bones in the left eye socket and other head injuries.

Riding home from school Thursday, Kevin Johnson, 14, said the adults started the fight.

“We all ride the bus together and nothing happens,” he told The Examiner.

Another student, a 13-year-old girl who would not give her name, said she heard Kreager use the “N” word, instigating the fight.

“She punched my friend, and my friend fell back in her seat,” the girl said.

The students’ stories contradict the version provided by Kreager and her boyfriend to Maryland Transit Administration police. Kreager and her boyfriend said the middle schoolers refused to let the couple sit down — and then attacked them, police said.

After twice being denied an open seat by the middle schoolers — all ages 14 and 15 — Kreager was “immediately attacked,” police said. The six boys and three girls punched and kicked her at 2:59 p.m. at the intersection of 33rd Street and Chestnut Avenue, according to police.

Kreager was dragged off the bus, and her boyfriend, Troy Ennis, attempted to get her back on, police said.

“She had eye muscles that were damaged,” a police report states. “She had deep lacerations on the top of her head and another above her neck.”

Two seats and the bus’s rear glass were destroyed during the attack, police said.

The bus driver quickly called police, who responded and arrested the nine juveniles. They were charged with aggravated assault, said Jawauna Greene, an MTA police spokeswoman.

Source: Baltimore Examiner

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Searched all over Extreme for this....Suprised non-on posted it.

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I'd be interested in hearing the bus driver's account of the events.

Same, or if there is a Videotape to back up the claims that the lady hit one of the middle schoolers. But damn the BF seemed to do nothing, "Kreager was dragged off the bus, and her boyfriend, Troy Ennis, attempted to get her back on, police said. "

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MTA Police: Attack On Bus Not Hate Crime

POSTED: 7:31 am EST December 7, 2007

UPDATED: 6:52 pm EST December 7, 2007

BALTIMORE -- The beating of a white woman by nine black students on a city bus is being investigated but not as a hate crime, a transit official said.

MTA: Bus Beating Not Hate Crime

Images Of Bus Beating Victim

Sarah Kreager, 26, suffered broken facial bones and other injuries after she was punched, kicked and dragged off the bus Tuesday afternoon. Kreager's companion, Troy Ellis, was also attacked, but not beaten as severely.

MTA police said evidence has not been found to support claims by the students' parents that the children were provoked.

MTA Administrator Paul Wiedefeld said that they're taking race bias into account, but are not classifying the incident as a hate crime.

"We all need to take a deep breath. It's under investigation, so we have to let that play out," he said.

The attack immediately drew comparisons on talk radio and Internet blogs to the Jena, La. case in which a white student was attacked by a group of black students, leading to demontrations by black activists who alleged local authorities were prosecuting blacks more harshly than whites.

But Baltimore Mayor Sheila Dixon and Rep. Elijah Cummings, both black, issued statements condemning the attack.

"The physical assault of any human being, regardless of motivation, is conduct that is unacceptable. As police continue to investigate the circumstances surrounding this terrible crime, we must rise together as a community to take a stand against violence toward any of our neighbors," Cummings said in statement issued Friday.

Dixon said after the attack that she was extremely concerned about the beating, which she described as "deplorable."

"I will not tolerate intimidation or violence anywhere in our city," the mayor said. "I have offered the MTA whatever assistance they need to investigate this incident and to do our part to ensure the public transportation system is safe for everyone."

MTA Northern District Capt. David Marzola said the middle school students, three females and six males 14 to 15 years old, are also accused of menacing an elderly white passenger and assaulting the bus operator, a black male who defended his passenger.

"He probably saved this gentleman's life," Marzola said.

The driver was not identified because he is considered a witness to a crime, the MTA said.

Video from a surveillance camera on the bus is also being analyzed as part of the investigation, the MTA said.

The students, who ride the bus to Robert Poole Middle School, have been released into the custody of their parents, Greene said.

Source: WBAL

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Same, or if there is a Videotape to back up the claims that the lady hit one of the middle schoolers. But damn the BF seemed to do nothing, "Kreager was dragged off the bus, and her boyfriend, Troy Ennis, attempted to get her back on, police said. "

-Grant

Yeah I saw them interviewed on an NBC4 newscast. She was beat to hell and he hardly had a scratch. Something not right there.

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I'd be interested in hearing the bus driver's account of the events.

"MTA Northern District Capt. David Marzola said the middle school students, three females and six males 14 to 15 years old, are also accused of menacing an elderly white passenger and assaulting the bus operator, a black male who defended his passenger.

"He probably saved this gentleman's life," Marzola said.

The driver was not identified because he is considered a witness to a crime, the MTA said.

Video from a surveillance camera on the bus is also being analyzed as part of the investigation, the MTA said."

Source: WBAL

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/14796208/detail.html

Looks like these kids may not have credability, with another attack they may have committed. Also the kids maybe racists themselves with an attack on a white elderly woman and now this white young lady. But again, I want all of the facts to come out before I make a judgement, and to be fair to both parties.

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Similar incident out here in Vegas last year where a group of about 10 teens first attacked a person in a Walmart parking lot then carried it downtown where they jumped a casino employee outside. Both incidents were unprovoked and brutal. The cowards blindsided both victims and then took turns kicking and punching them. One kid had taken of his belt and was hitting the guy with the buckle. Of course the parents came out in their defense as well first claiming their kids would never do that then saying there must be more to the story. There's more to the story, they're punks who think they have to do idiotic things like this to have "street cred".

What do you expect in a society where someone like Akon is praised for throwing a kid off of a stage onto other young people. We live in a society where total lack of respect for people is applauded. Even if the woman used the "N" word that doesn't warrant a brutal beating. You simply walk your ass up to the bus driver and have him handle the situation. What kind of world do we live in where it's cool to gang up on people and beat them for the hell of it? I've seen so many video's on youtube and elsewhere where gangs of kids brutally beat people. This isn't an isolated incident, we have a problem in this country.

I promise you, all of my kids will be highly trained in self-defense and won't take an ass beating without giving one back. Hopefully they'll be pretty fast too, they need to be able to run away after breaking someones nose with an elbow. Notice I said SELF DEFENSE! My Dad taught me how to defend myself and I was never the agressor in any of the many altercations I've been involved in.

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Similar incident out here in Vegas last year where a group of about 10 teens first attacked a person in a Walmart parking lot then carried it downtown where they jumped a casino employee outside. Both incidents were unprovoked and brutal. The cowards blindsided both victims and then took turns kicking and punching them. One kid had taken of his belt and was hitting the guy with the buckle. Of course the parents came out in their defense as well first claiming their kids would never do that then saying there must be more to the story. There's more to the story, they're punks who think they have to do idiotic things like this to have "street cred".

What do you expect in a society where someone like Akon is praised for throwing a kid off of a stage onto other young people. We live in a society where total lack of respect for people is applauded. Even if the woman used the "N" word that doesn't warrant a brutal beating. You simply walk your ass up to the bus driver and have him handle the situation. What kind of world do we live in where it's cool to gang up on people and beat them for the hell of it? I've seen so many video's on youtube and elsewhere where gangs of kids brutally beat people. This isn't an isolated incident, we have a problem in this country.

I promise you, all of my kids will be highly trained in self-defense and won't take an ass beating without giving one back. Hopefully they'll be pretty fast too, they need to be able to run away after breaking someones nose with an elbow. Notice I said SELF DEFENSE! My Dad taught me how to defend myself and I was never the agressor in any of the many altercations I've been involved in.

I agree - it is a problem, and not just here. Kids today are just becoming viscious, and you combine this with a low education and we have a future generation of criminals. How do these kids turn into such monsters? It is almost as if they are pack animals - I know the mob mentality lurks in most of us, but why does it seem to be coming out of children? Lack of discipline or upbringing? Little social training, lack of empathy, or just a reflection of today's culture? Either way, these kids should be tried as adults, and a lesson needs to be turned, but I wonder if society is now too far gone, outside of extreme measures.

I also found this artcle:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2007/12/06/2007-12-06_video_shows_group_of_black_teens_attacki.html

The girl who filmed this video was also arrested for attacking a communter in another incident, but now she claims she just happens to have filmed this incident. Of course, her family is saying she is "scared" and is innocent.

Sometimes I do wonder if caning should be practiced more often in the West. Of course, with our luck, this will just teach kids more violence and we'll soon have random caning attacks on YouTube.

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I agree - it is a problem, and not just here. Kids today are just becoming viscious, and you combine this with a low education and we have a future generation of criminals. How do these kids turn into such monsters? It is almost as if they are pack animals - I know the mob mentality lurks in most of us, but why does it seem to be coming out of children? Lack of discipline or upbringing? Little social training, lack of empathy, or just a reflection of today's culture? Either way, these kids should be tried as adults, and a lesson needs to be turned, but I wonder if society is now too far gone, outside of extreme measures.

I also found this artcle:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2007/12/06/2007-12-06_video_shows_group_of_black_teens_attacki.html

The girl who filmed this video was also arrested for attacking a communter in another incident, but now she claims she just happens to have filmed this incident. Of course, her family is saying she is "scared" and is innocent.

Sometimes I do wonder if caning should be practiced more often in the West. Of course, with our luck, this will just teach kids more violence and we'll soon have random caning attacks on YouTube.

Sad thing is back in the day you would have went home and mom and dad would have wore your ass out with a belt for acting like such a delinquint. Now, this type of behavior is applauded. Hell, there's times when the parents are even involved in it. WTF? What has happened to this country?

Right here on ES, 30 year old men were applauding Akon for throwing a TEENAGER not a grown man into a crowd on top of other TEENAGERS. Grown men were laughing about it, talking about how they now had more respect for such an ignorant jackass that endangered the lives of innocent bystanders. WTF? Seriously, some people just don't get it. :2cents:

No one wants to take responsibility though. The music industry is filled with hate/violent lyrics. Poor parenting. Lack of education. Our nation is becoming desensitized to violence and no one is doing a damn thing about it. :doh:

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Sad thing is back in the day you would have went home and mom and dad would have wore your ass out with a belt for acting like such a delinquint. Now, this type of behavior is applauded. Hell, there's times when the parents are even involved in it. WTF? What has happened to this country?

Right here on ES, 30 year old men were applauding Akon for throwing a TEENAGER not a grown man into a crowd on top of other TEENAGERS. Grown men were laughing about it, talking about how they now had more respect for such an ignorant jackass that endangered the lives of innocent bystanders. WTF? Seriously, some people just don't get it. :2cents:

No one wants to take responsibility though. The music industry is filled with hate/violent lyrics. Poor parenting. Lack of education. Our nation is becoming desensitized to violence and no one is doing a damn thing about it. :doh:

Oh yeah, my old man would have taken out The Belt, and a couple of licks from that utensil of punishment usually showed me the errors of my way.

I saw a bit of the Akon clip - I didn't understand what there was to applaud? First, we have this dirtbag humping some 14-year old girl, then we have him throwing some dude off the stage. And these are the role models that some people watch, which is sad, and is part of the problem. But a lot of it has to do with the "performing for the audience" mentality that is developing with phone and video cameras; an attitude of "Look, see what I can do!" and false bravado.

Terrible. And I completely agree with your last pagraph.

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One of the problems is that the government stops people from defending themselves. If these little ****s had assaulted my wife and instead of allowing it I put them all in the hospital... anyone think that Baltimore doesn't come after me? If you do you're crazy. We are trained to be victims and punished when we are not.

These little thugs ruin lives and I don't care if the lady pulled out a sheet and crafted a KKK uniform and marched around in front of them. You can feel free to get off the bus and complain.

The difference between this and Jena Six is simple - in the Jena Six case the authorities were involved and failed several times. That changes everything.

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Destino,

I concur with your post.

This goes to what I was saying to Bhayes in the "religion, sociology...Taylor-related" thread. Even in towns with very small black populations (Seattle, Iowa City) you see this kind of intimidation on buses. Not all black kids but when it happens and it's serious, it's typically the case. And no one does anything...

Because the parents NEVER hold their children responsible. The next link in the chain is that people are too fearful that they will be left alone in the community, so the children rule streets there (maybe the older thugs keep them in line but only in a pathological manner as the are still negative role models,) then enmity and blame of their problems on non-whites is reinforced daily, then no one stands up on the bus.

it's like watching videos of predators. I saw a hyena attacking some kind of herd animal while all the rest stood around. even when they group up, you can see the fear each individual animal has of being harmed, which creates absurd situations in which one hyena or lion is having its way with a fellow herd member, when they could easily dispatch the predator if they just joined together.

Destino, you're right. If someone popped some caps in these thugs (9-on-1 is acceptable to claim fear of death or serious bodily harm,) a la Goetz, they'd prosecute and go after him. Then the cops would all say, just like they always do when someone is a hero (or merely stands up for themselves) "don't take the law into your own hands." Problem is, defending yourself at the moment of attack is not vigilanteism. It's self-defense.

Until kids around the country face consequences for acting like sociopathic criminals, they will continue to prey on and provoke people. That will mean people need to get ventilated as result of their petty thuggery.

If these punks are 14-15, I've seen plenty of all backgrounds that are bigger than ever and are the size of adults. Even at 220 lbs and filled with rage, I can't take on those kinds of odds without a weapon of some kind. I shouldn't have to 'fight fair' with hoodlums whose recreation is violence against their objects of hate or each other.

And by the way, while the police now say there was no provocation, I've been alive in metropolitan areas long enough to know that 99.9 percent of the time there is no provocation in cases like these. And saying a word to someone is not basis for a gang race-beating of a woman and other people on the bus (they didn't just attack the woman.) The only provocation they need is for you to stand up to them and be someone they size up as being 'touchable.'

This is like that case where a mob of blacks beat the hell out of two white girls in Long BEach. If I recall, the sentence in that case was not nearly as harsh as what a bunch of young white thugs would have received had they put a skateboard to some black kid's head.

But just so we show it's not completely interracial in nature, there was a girl trying to steal another girl's cell phone on the light rail in Bodymore and the thief stabbed the other girl, who died from her wounds. The judge agreed to suspend all but 25 years of the life sentence. The offender wasn't 15 or anything, I believe she was a 17 year old killer. Why only 25 years when a life sentence was handed down? She stabbed someone while trying to steal her property? And the victim was black.

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Des, in this particular case, i think a gun would probably not be a good idea. with that many people, there's too much opportunity to turn it around on the holder, especially in such a confined space.

Well, it's actually better, statistically (unless it were a shotgun or rifle of larger caliber,) than having a knife. You're more likely to die of knife attack than gunshot wounds from a handgun. As tragic as Sean's death is, the odds of him dying from two shots (one that missed) are infinitesimal.

Because of fear of firearms and the fact a knife can be taken from you more easily than ranged weapon (which you can use to hold people at bay, even if they outnumber you) I'd say if you're going to have a weapon a firearm would be it. But SOMETHING is better than nothing. Tasers, knives, brass knuckles and batons would be helpful. Of interest is the fact that the more restrictive the laws against firearms, typically the more restrictive the laws against all weapons.

As Des says, there are a lot of forces working together to ensure that we remain victims and have that mentality.

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Well, it's actually better, statistically (unless it were a shotgun or rifle of larger caliber,) than having a knife. You're more likely to die of knife attack than gunshot wounds from a handgun. As tragic as Sean's death is, the odds of him dying from two shots (one that missed) are infinitesimal.

Because of fear of firearms and the fact a knife can be taken from you more easily than ranged weapon (which you can use to hold people at bay, even if they outnumber you) I'd say if you're going to have a weapon a firearm would be it. But SOMETHING is better than nothing. Tasers, knives, brass knuckles and batons would be helpful. Of interest is the fact that the more restrictive the laws against firearms, typically the more restrictive the laws against all weapons.

As Des says, there are a lot of forces working together to ensure that we remain victims and have that mentality.

woah, don't get on me about guns, i am definitely a gun person, i'm just sayin that in this particular instance it would probably make things worse. if it weren't a confined space or as many attackers then i would agree.

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