ARSexton Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 I still want to say I am excited and hopefull..... but my thing about backup qbs is this.... whenever back up qbs get in a game or start their first game unexpectedly they usually do fairly well.... i think its because the defense has already gameplanned for the starter and it causes problems on the d side when the starter goes out. The 2nd game for the backup is usually more telling. for example AJ feely played awesome 2 weeks ago for the eagles against the pats. everyone thought he was the 2nd coming... this week he stunk it up big time, probably because the d cordinator could game plan for him and watch his previous week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveStrongSkins Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 You are exactly right. Collins has what we call a "noodle" arm. Once a defense forces him to go long, thats when he struggles. He is good for a backup, but thats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebornempowered Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Don't forget that the DB's for Chicago were not the best. Some of the WR's and Cooley were so wide open my arm (after three rotator cuff surgeries) could have made the throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowland Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Yeah, I've seen this before. Kelly Holcomb is the king of coming off the bench. Then when he starts he sucks. Have to see how TC does when a defense has a week to gameplan him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redshirtguy#45 Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 this is the guy of the future, fror those who are serious on this... http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/CollTo00.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In JC We Trust Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Amen, the people here who are saying that Collins is a better QB than Campbell are absoultely crazy. Collins has been in Saunders' system for a long time, so it's not a shocker that he looked good tonight. But to say he is the solution at QB is absurd. Campbell is our future, Collins provided a spark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleSkinsFan Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 my thing about backup qbs is this.... whenever back up qbs get in a game or start their first game unexpectedly they usually do fairly well.... i think its because the defense has already gameplanned for the starter and it causes problems on the d side when the starter goes out. The 2nd game for the backup is usually more telling. Well, then the solution is clear: Start Collins against the Gints, then pull in him in the second quarter for Brunell. Change the starting order for the Vikes game. Rinse, repeat. *ducks* *runs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Collins is what he is - a career backup. Not one post here is a revelation. Yes, the Giants will prepare for Collins and try to take him out of his comfort zone. OTOH, the Redskins didn't exactly gameplan to Collins' strengths, either, so the gameplan thing could balance out for next week. Really, the biggest thing next week might be the infamous swirling winds of the Meadowlands. That could effect Collins most of all. Still, this is what you want out of a backup - solid play in spot duty. If he was starter quality for long stretches, he would be starting somewhere. But in the short-term, he's serviceable, especially in a system with which he is very comfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Collins just needs to manage the game like Brunell did down the stretch in 2005. We're getting Randy Thomas back, and the running game should get better. We'll have ten days to rest up after the most physically and emotionally draining week in Redskins history. The key won't really be Collins; it will be running the ball. If we can do that, we just need a QB who won't make mistakes, and we can pull this off... It's definitely still a long shot, but I know this team will keep playing hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCDefectors Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Oh thank goodness for this thread. I am getting double-vision from these ES threads about Collins being a better QB. Redskins fans are going to find out why Collins isn't a starter beginning next week. Losing Campbell was not a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Well, then the solution is clear:Start Collins against the Gints, then pull in him in the second quarter for Brunell. Change the starting order for the Vikes game. Rinse, repeat. *ducks* *runs* To be honest, there's something to this idea. You don't have the QB controversy or the bruised ego thing going with these guys. This might be the ideal situation to shuffle QBs - could drive the opposing D nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-16 CHIEF Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 While Collins isn't the answer to our quarterback problems, I do believe that he proves that we have guys who can get open, and coaches who are sending receivers down field. JC just isn't hitting them. If you are honest, Collins would have put 35 on the Bears tonight. Campbell couldn't have scored more than 17 points. I'm not saying Campbell is never going to be good. I'm just showing that the QB is an area of concern for this team not matter how many people think it isn't. The proof is in the 144 QB rating of Collins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Oh thank goodness for this thread. I am getting double-vision from these ES threads about Collins being a better QB. Redskins fans are going to find out why Collins isn't a starter beginning next week. Losing Campbell was not a good thing. Thanks for helping us out here, Skippy! Nothing happening at the Cowboy board tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigantor Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 The thing that impressed me about Collins was his accuracy. His throws were right on the money and it made a big difference. He also didn't choke at the end of the game like JC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsMaster88 Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 The funny thing, is it's been so long since Collins has started a game (1997), that there might not be any available film. Haha. But seriously, Collins knows the system well enough, that he can probably work through his own personal weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleSkinsFan Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 To be honest, there's something to this idea. You don't have the QB controversy or the bruised ego thing going with these guys. This might be the ideal situation to shuffle QBs - could drive the opposing D nuts. Obviously I was joking, but you're right, it does make sense in a contrarian way. Since Brunell will be moving up from 3rd to 2nd string, you can play him without having to sit Collins for the rest of the game. At first blush, it sounds crazy, but we're facing long odds and we're going to have to get creative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gortiz Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 You are exactly right. Collins has what we call a "noodle" arm. Once a defense forces him to go long, thats when he struggles. He is good for a backup, but thats it. I don't know man, people use to say that about me and then I won a super bowl Sincerely, B Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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