praise_gibbs Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 I'm Catholic and we're boring - stand up, sit down, kneel. But to each his own. My family is Catholic as well. You'd think they would be in shape by now. I mean going to a Catholic Church every Sunday is cheaper than paying for a membership to a gym. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Pressure Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 I would never call anyone a n-bomb, cracker, chink, wop, etc. Neither would I, calling someone the N word and telling your friends in a joking way that they are so black because they are chowing down on some KFC are very very different. I mean sure sometimes a slur is used, I have heard jewish friends of mine tell each other "you're such a jew" when they are being cheap or some kind of stereotype associated with them. I think there are some words that the line is drawn at and it will never change for some people. I personally could care less if someone calls me a wop because of my Italian heritage. If they are joking, I think it's funny, if they aren't I still think it's funny. I still wouldn't use those words on people, but again they are much different from simply black or white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Candace, why did you ask the thread question then? What you said wasn't racist. In my Lutheran church we have a traditional (boring) and modern (praise the lord) service. The person calling you such is just ignorant. It happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Pressure Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Candace, why did you ask the thread question then?What you said wasn't racist. In my Lutheran church we have a traditional (boring) and modern (praise the lord) service. The person calling you such is just ignorant. It happens. Another poster in that thread with the Asian food said everyone posting in the thread was "white" because they thought eating that specific food was adventurous, when according to him (it was ghost of mc pimpin or whatever) it wasn't and there was much more adventurous food out there that the simpleton whiteys in the thread hadn't even thought of trying. http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4279886&postcount=18 There it is, the post IMO is just really arrogant not offensive, but obviously some people took offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 This is an interesting subject. My friends have told me there are white people and black people. But, I don't see color... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Pressure Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 This is an interesting subject. My friends have told me there are white people and black people. But, I don't see color... Colorblindness strikes again! "Are you white?" "People tell me I'm white" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Another poster in that thread with the Asian food said everyone posting in the thread was "white" because they thought eating that specific food was adventurous, when according to him (it was ghost of mc pimpin or whatever) it wasn't and there was much more adventurous food out there that the simpleton whiteys in the thread hadn't even thought of trying.http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4279886&postcount=18 There it is, the post IMO is just really arrogant not offensive, but obviously some people took offense. I couldn't find a single person in that thread that took offense to being called white ... :whoknows:I think that in most contexts where someone might actually say it, saying someone is "so black" wouldn't really be offensive either - it's an inherently playful way to say something like that, where it almost has to be a joke. As to the larger point, however, I think that white people just don't think about race very much, so their racism radar isn't very sensitive ... black people, like many minorities, think about race a lot more often (because it is a part of their reality, or at least part of their parents' reality), so they are more sensitive to racial comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Pressure Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 I couldn't find a single person in that thread that took offense to being called white ... :whoknows: I didn't say that, GibbsFactor asked Candace why the thread was started, thinking it was started because of something that was said in whatever religion thread was referred to, I just linked to what actually started this thread, Candace asking why it was acceptable for Nibbs McPimpin to call everyone "so white" I think that in most contexts where someone might actually say it, saying someone is "so black" wouldn't really be offensive either - it's an inherently playful way to say something like that, where it almost has to be a joke. Exactly. As to the larger point, however, I think that white people just don't think about race very much, so their racism radar isn't very sensitive ... black people, like many minorities, think about race a lot more often (because it is a part of their reality, or at least part of their parents' reality), so they are more sensitive to racial comments. Yep, which is why I don't care about being called a wop, etc. but I definitly wouldn't call a black friend the N word and think it's a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Candace, I'm probably approaching the record for number of times having been called a racist on ES. And I've learned to wear it as something as a badge of honor. I generally find that it occurs when I'm involved in a heated debate about affirmative action, school segregation or something like that. When the other person reaches a point where they can no longer defend their argument; or make a valid point of their own, that's when the "r" word starts flying. In your case though, I think the other poster just misjudged what you were saying. There are plenty of predominantly white churches that behave in the manner your described. Sounds like the offense this person took to your comment was misplaced. (Get used to that.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Candace, I'm probably approaching the record for number of times having been called a racist on ES. And I've learned to wear it as something as a badge of honor.I generally find that it occurs when I'm involved in a heated debate about affirmative action, school segregation or something like that. When the other person reaches a point where they can no longer defend their argument; or make a valid point of their own, that's when the "r" word starts flying. In your case though, I think the other poster just misjudged what you were saying. There are plenty of predominantly white churches that behave in the manner your described. Sounds like the offense this person took to your comment was misplaced. (Get used to that.) Racist :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Racist :mad: :laugh: My point precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praise_gibbs Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Racist :mad: That was such a white thing to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 That was such a white thing to say. No it wasn't. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 I'm not sure the double standard applies here. I hear people talk about acting black all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 I'm not sure the double standard applies here.I hear people talk about acting black all the time. All the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MontanaRed Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 I know that this is going to start a huge debate ... but I'm quite curious about this. Why is it acceptable for people to say "You guys are so white?" If anyone was to say "You guys are so black" I'm sure that a fight or argument of some sort would break out.I ask this because when this comment was made in another thread, I do not think that the poster meant any harm at all in the statement. Honestly, I took a bit of offense to it, only because someone called me prejudiced and racist this week. This person has known me for less than a year, I barely speak to her because our personalities clash and I avoid her because I don't care for her. It's not because of the color of her skin, it's because of her personality and the interactions that we've had. Does anyone else think that it's wrong that people can say "You guys are so white" without any repercussions ... but if someone said "You guys are so black" there would be? It sounds like she was just looking for a bone to pick with you. It wasn't a racial statement - there are plenty of churches where whites go that are like you described. It sounds like this isn't the first time you've clashed. Some people are difficult to get along with and will try to find anything to wave a flame. Don't let it get to you - if you know in your heart that it wasn't meant in a racist or derogatory way that's all that matters. But I didn't really answer your question, and not sure I know why it's "ok" to call someone so "white". I personally wouldn't bring up race to anyone that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
909997 Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 theirs nothing wrong with being racist long as u dont go on a genocide just respect everyone untill they break your respect I have friends from many different races, i make racist jokes all the time. Its all fun and games and they know i love em. I dont know if that makes me a racist or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandaceM23 Posted October 11, 2007 Author Share Posted October 11, 2007 I think the reason why I was slightly offended over Ghost making the "you're so white comment" because I was called racist this week. Had I not been called racist, then I probably would not have thought anything at all. Honestly, I'm not really offended over Ghost saying it because I know that he was joking ... but that still doesn't make it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stwasm Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 I know that this is going to start a huge debate ... but I'm quite curious about this. Why is it acceptable for people to say "You guys are so white?" If anyone was to say "You guys are so black" I'm sure that a fight or argument of some sort would break out.I ask this because when this comment was made in another thread, I do not think that the poster meant any harm at all in the statement. Honestly, I took a bit of offense to it, only because someone called me prejudiced and racist this week. This person has known me for less than a year, I barely speak to her because our personalities clash and I avoid her because I don't care for her. It's not because of the color of her skin, it's because of her personality and the interactions that we've had. Does anyone else think that it's wrong that people can say "You guys are so white" without any repercussions ... but if someone said "You guys are so black" there would be? It really boils down to perception, individuals and experiences. One person of one race may hear the statement above and not be offended by it while another person of the same race my take offense from it. Additionally, the person or persons making the above statement may not even realize they're being antagonistic. For example, I don't like hearing the n-word, not even if it's used in jest, no matter if the person is black or white, while another black person will have it come out of his mouth, every other word. What may mean one thing to one person may mean something else to another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praise_gibbs Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 NoFX - Don't Call Me White Don't call me white, Don't call me white Don't call me white, Don't call me white The connotations wearing my nerves thin Could it be semantics generating the mess we're in? I understand that language breeds stereotype But what's the explanation for the malice, for the spite? Don't call me white, Don't call me white Don't call me white, Don't call me white I wasn't brought here, I was born Circumsized, categorized, allegiance sworn, Does this mean I have to take such **** For being fairskinned? No! I ain't a part of no conspiracy, I'm just you're average Joe. Don't call me white, Don't call me white Don't call me white, Don't call me white Represents everything I hate, The soap shoved in the mouth to cleanse the mind The vast majority of sheep A buttoned collar, starched and bleached Constricting veins, the blood flow to the brain slows They're so ****in' ordinary white Don't call me white, Don't call me white Don't call me white, Don't call me white We're better off this way Say what you're gonna say So go ahead and label me An ******* cause I can Accept responsibility, for what I've done But not for who I am Don't call me white, Don't call me white Don't call me white, Don't call me white Don't call me white, Don't call me white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Candace, Wish I had seen this earlier but I can only assume this refers to my post in the "Pho is tasty" thread. No offense was ever intended. I say these kinds of things with tongue firmly implanted in cheek. I did it and no one seemed to really take notice in the thread. It's also supposed to be funny because I'm mixed and lots (most?) would see me as phenotypically white. Most of the 'foodie' sophisticates themselves ARE white. But white in this context really doesn't refer fully to race but to a certain set of cultural attributes associated with, perhaps, certain ethnicities and their cuisine? Be it flavorless and bland or lacking a certain level of spice or an adventurous palate? I suppose it can be taken a couple of different ways but that was my meaning. I suppose it's the whole WASP or Anglo vs. "ethnic" thing, even when it's technically involving 'Caucasians' who aren't too dissimilar. And BTW, if it's done right, I would not take offense at "you guys are so black' or something similar that sounded right. Reminds me of the line from some Jenny Jones show, "I'm a black man, Jenny!" referring (but never explicitly) to his taste in women with big behinds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 I hear people talk about acting black all the time. In my response, I hadn't even considered that but I guess it's true. Then you get into that tricky realm of "acting white," "Oreo," "Wigger," "ghetto" and then all the other racial terms that have similar meanings. But again, I kind of assume that most regular posters are familiar with my mixed background by now, perhaps even my appearance. If anything, Candace, this is more like one Asian person jokingly calling another a "FOB." And definitely not intended as anything other than gently mocking humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 I know that this is going to start a huge debate ... but I'm quite curious about this. Why is it acceptable for people to say "You guys are so white?" If anyone was to say "You guys are so black" I'm sure that a fight or argument of some sort would break out.I ask this because when this comment was made in another thread, I do not think that the poster meant any harm at all in the statement. Honestly, I took a bit of offense to it, only because someone called me prejudiced and racist this week. This person has known me for less than a year, I barely speak to her because our personalities clash and I avoid her because I don't care for her. It's not because of the color of her skin, it's because of her personality and the interactions that we've had. Does anyone else think that it's wrong that people can say "You guys are so white" without any repercussions ... but if someone said "You guys are so black" there would be? I don't really see a problem with either of these honestly. I guess it boils down to the person. I've said that someone was acting black at some point in my life and I'm pretty sure someone has called me white in some way or another but whatever. It doesn't offend me and I don't worry that calling someone black will offend them. We've gotten to goddamn PC in this country. I'd be offended if Ghost of Nibbs was calling people crackers but I don't see a problem with what he said. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Dude Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 You shouldn't let it bother you too much, really. People are ignorant, and they'll be ignorant regardless of what you say or do, or how you act. Be yourself. if anyone doesn't like it, **** 'em, who cares? People in general are idiots. Accept this philosophy, and you'll be ok. You can't please everybody, even if you try to. Stressing over it will just upset you more, and then the terrorists win :laugh: Relax and have a beer, it'll all be better in the morning If it isn't, act like it is, and she'll never know the difference. It's a white thing, she wouldn't understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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