SUSkinsFan Posted October 6, 2007 Author Share Posted October 6, 2007 I'm pretty sure he was talking about parents working two jobs to pay for the kids' insurance. I know what he meant, but if a kid has dead beat parents they won't do anything so the government does need to do something to guarantee that kids aren't ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 This isn't about adults getting insurance, this is about CHILDREN getting insurance. I don't know anyone under the age of 18 that has their own health coverage. I'm 20 years old and I don't have my own coverage. You will under this. Unless it has changed recently, this bill defines "child" as anyone under 25. Now tell me why I have to pay for your health care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 I know what he meant, but if a kid has dead beat parents they won't do anything so the government does need to do something to guarantee that kids aren't ignored. Maybe the government should take the kids away and give them to good homes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 I actually think they need to put an increase on alcohol to help pay for these kind of programs, it isn't fair that its always smokers that have to shoulder the burden. Yep,share the pain, plus they are gonna have to make up the revenue somewhere when it forces more to quit. Anyone see the cigar amendment to the bill ? That is some serious taxing there, but thats all right It's no mathematical error: The federal government has proposed raising taxes on premium cigars, the kind Newman's family has been rolling for decades in Ybor City, by as much as 20,000 percent. http://www.sptimes.com/2007/07/17/Business/Cigarmakers_in_a_pani.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted October 6, 2007 Author Share Posted October 6, 2007 You will under this. Unless it has changed recently, this bill defines "child" as anyone under 25.Now tell me why I have to pay for your health care Actually I won't, I'm currently under my parents coverage since I am in college and I won't take a job after college unless it gives me health coverage (or if push comes to shove I will pay for my own), because I don't want to be at the mercy of federal funding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Funny. I didn't have kids until precisely the moment I was ready too. Being pro-life, as you correctly point out, I wonder how I managed that?edit: It's other people's kids; and as I said, poor decisions, that shouldn't cost me a dime. So if I you gamble away all your money and move to mexico with a hooker... it's your wife's fault the kids can't afford health care? oh yeah... you forgot that not all bad situations are the fault of the people stuck in them. I can come up with examples all day HH... but I should mention, that the children in need of health care made no mistakes, and they are the ones being punished. Here is a lesson on morality for everyone: It's not enough to say it's someone elses fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 So if I you gamble away all your money and move to mexico with a hooker... it's your wife's fault the kids can't afford health care? oh yeah... you forgot that not all bad situations are the fault of the people stuck in them.I can come up with examples all day HH... but I should mention, that the children in need of health care made no mistakes, and they are the ones being punished. Here is a lesson on morality for everyone: It's not enough to say it's someone elses fault. IMO, the failure of my marriage is largely my wife's fault. My decision to pick up a second job to make sure the kids are well taken care of, above and beyond child support is my decision. I'm not crying foul, I'm fixing it. There's NO reason the other idiots out there can't do the same. None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 What gets me this is not basic health care needed for survival or prevention, it goes well beyond what should be considered a need. Socialism :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted October 6, 2007 Author Share Posted October 6, 2007 IMO, the failure of my marriage is largely my wife's fault. My decision to pick up a second job to make sure the kids are well taken care of, above and beyond child support is my decision.I'm not crying foul, I'm fixing it. There's NO reason the other idiots out there can't do the same. None. No one is saying there isn't a reason people can't take care of their kids, I'm with you, if I had children I would do everything in my power to guarantee that they had what they needed. But the fact is alot of people don't so someone needs to make sure the kids are given what they need. You can't punish the son for the sins of the father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Actually the increase in the program was going to come from an increase on cigarettes, so unless you smoke you won't even notice it. Great lets tax the poor to pay for middle class and upper class kids health care (The poor kids were already covered by the previous program). The weight of any tax on cigarettes always falls on the poor, as a larger percentage of poor smoke than any any other demograpchic. Oh and no I don't smoke (never have). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 No one is saying there isn't a reason people can't take care of their kids, I'm with you, if I had children I would do everything in my power to guarantee that they had what they needed.But the fact is alot of people don't so someone needs to make sure the kids are given what they need. You can't punish the son for the sins of the father. Again, I don't want to hurt kids that need coverage. I just want to unravel the system that makes it far too damn easy for parents to shirk their reponsibilities. And like I said, I'm tired of funding dumb people. It truly is that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-10-06-weeklyaddresses_N.htm#uslPageReturnhopefully he will finally get something right, I mean God forbid we actually help to take care of poor children. Help them. God forbid YOU do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanCollins Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 ****ing hell, how many more bull**** government programs is he going to sign off on?He's already outspent FDR:doh: but he's your boy sarge :laugh:. It's like they say BOAT stands for bring out another thousand, with dubya it's bring out another Billion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 What gets me this is not basic health care needed for survival or prevention, it goes well beyond what should be considered a need.Socialism :2cents: It's socialism when the government wants to help poor kids... but when they go against the free market to help drug companies, factory farms, or other big business... no crying. Socialism, the real stuff, isn't about giving people health care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 It's socialism when the government wants to help poor kids... but when they go against the free market to help drug companies, factory farms, or other big business... no crying. Socialism, the real stuff, isn't about giving people health care. You never heard me support any of those...have you? Added Since WHEN did a family making 60-80,000 a year become poor???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 You never heard me support any of those...have you? maybe i have. now what?! ok fine no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 maybe i have. now what?! ok fine no. Since I snuck in a addition When did a family making 60-80,000 a yr become poor???? Crap I never realized I was destitute while proving a home,ins and well beyond basics all these years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Actually I won't, I'm currently under my parents coverage since I am in college and I won't take a job after college unless it gives me health coverage (or if push comes to shove I will pay for my own), because I don't want to be at the mercy of federal funding. Good for you. Unfortuntely, not everyone has your gumption. So tell me again why I should have to foot the bill for someone else's health care, until they are 25 friggin years old And with Jorge's predilictions, how long will it be before this is expanded to cover those poor illegal children too? Just a baby step on the way to socialized medicine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted October 6, 2007 Author Share Posted October 6, 2007 Good for you. Unfortuntely, not everyone has your gumption. So tell me again why I should have to foot the bill for someone else's health care, until they are 25 friggin years oldAnd with Jorge's predilictions, how long will it be before this is expanded to cover those poor illegal children too? Just a baby step on the way to socialized medicine I don't think the coverage should go to 25, it should go to 18. And you foot the bill because it is the right thing to do. If you saw a child walking alone down the street crying for help, would you drive by saying to yourself "its not my job to help them, the parents need to do something". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenaa Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 I see far too many kids at my childrens school who don't have insurance, yet have game consoles costing hundreds, parents driving new cars and having many other luxury items that shouldn't be even thought about until after they purchase healthcare. Many, many families go uninsured because they don't see it as a necessity. They live under the "it can't happen to me" mantra. It's too bad for those kids that their parents don't prioritize their responsibilities. My responsibility is to provide for my children. I don't feel any responsibility to those kids. I would be happy to help provide for children of truly poor families through charitable organizations. But not government programs were far too much of the money raised goes to bloated beaurocratic garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 I see far too many kids at my childrens school who don't have insurance, yet have game consoles costing hundreds, parents driving new cars and having many other luxury items that shouldn't be even thought about until after they purchase healthcare. Thats alright, you have plenty to spare...Where's your compassion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Since WHEN did a family making 60-80,000 a year become poor???? Since The President says they are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 hopefully he will finally get something right, I mean God forbid we actually help to take care of poor children. I share the same goals as you, but we differ on the means. I believe expanding the role of government in health care will cause more harm than good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Since The President says they are? The one that vetoed this POS because it goes too far???? Is that the one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWill Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 I say fine......use my hard earned money to help poor children. However, they should STERILIZE the mothers/fathers who make the mistake of having a child they cannot provide for. That way I am not paying for 'four kids from three different fathers'. The problem is that the government rewards these mistakes by paying more per child. This is complete BS. I will never agree with the government handing out my $$$ to shiftless layabouts who have no intention of making a contribution in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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