Dean tells Muslims: Run for political office

[Sarge]

I wonder if Howie knew these people (Islamic Society of North America) are unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation terror trial, and is a front group of the Islamic supremacist Muslim Brotherhood, who make no secret that their goal is to establish Islamic rule over the world?

http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/religion/539406,CST-NWS-Islam02s1.article

Dean tells Muslims: Run for political office

ROSEMONT | 'Stand up and say who you are and be proud of it,' he tells packed house

September 2, 2007

BY SUSAN HOGAN/ALBACH Religion Reporter/shogan@suntimes.com

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean told American Muslims gathered in Rosemont to think beyond voter registration drives.

"You need to run for political office," Dean said Saturday. "The only way you can achieve your goals is to stand up and say who you are and be proud of it."

Those in the packed house rose to their feet and applauded.

Dean was one of several prominent Democrats on Saturday to address the nation's largest gathering of American Muslims. Republicans declined invitations, organizers said.

The annual Labor Day weekend gathering of the Islamic Society of North America is expected to draw up to 40,000 Muslims before it ends Monday.

It's a family event full of spiritual and educational seminars. Saturday, many Muslims found inspiration from politicians.

"Be heard. Don't be silent. Tell it like it is," said Rep. Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress.

"If you don't tell your story, someone else will. And you may be the villain in their story," the Minnesota Democrat said.

Ellison, too, received a standing ovation.

While Muslims are changing America's religious landscape, they're being encouraged to find their political voice, too.

"There are people who want to see Muslims not only at the table but on the ticket," said Malik Mujahid, president of the Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater Chicago, which sponsored the "Take Back America Rally" involving Dean.

Nabeel Razzaki, a financial analyst from Portland, said many American Muslims became fearful of political participation after 9/11.

"I've thought about it for a long time, but I was scared," Razzaki said after hearing Dean. "Now, I feel inspired to run for a local office."

Muslims here say they share a common faith, but their religious and political views are hardly monolithic. Some want to concentrate only on local politics. By building slowly at the grass-roots level, the day will come when Muslims can influence the bigger races, they say.

But Omer Abid of west suburban Lyons said now, more than ever, Muslims need a voice in national politics.

"We can't sit back. We must speak up," Abid said. "The current president led America to war in Iraq, which was a huge disaster for the world. We can't stay silent."

[PrinceNASeem]

Do you actually have credible sources acknowledging your allegations about Islamic Society of North America, or is this more of your hearsay/internet hackjob info?

[Johnny Punani]

Do you actually have credible sources acknowledging your allegations about Islamic Society of North America, or is this more of your hearsay/internet hackjob info?

Here you go...

http://www.nysun.com/article/55778

Federal prosecutors have named three prominent Islamic organizations in America as participants in an alleged criminal conspiracy to support a Palestinian Arab terrorist group, Hamas.

Prosecutors applied the label of "unindicted co-conspirator" to the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Islamic Society of North America, and the North American Islamic Trust in connection with a trial planned in Texas next month for five officials of a defunct charity, the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development.

[ATV]

So.....Muslims shouldn't run for office?

Also, by "unindicted" do you mean people like you and me, or indicted people like Tom Delay, Scooter Libby, etc.?

[Sarge]

Here you go...

http://www.nysun.com/article/55778

Federal prosecutors have named three prominent Islamic organizations in America as participants in an alleged criminal conspiracy to support a Palestinian Arab terrorist group, Hamas.

Prosecutors applied the label of "unindicted co-conspirator" to the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Islamic Society of North America, and the North American Islamic Trust in connection with a trial planned in Texas next month for five officials of a defunct charity, the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development.

Do you actually have credible sources acknowledging your allegations about Islamic Society of North America, or is this more of your hearsay/internet hackjob info?

See above

As for the term "unindicted co-conspirator", here's the laymans term from another case.

The prosecutor is saying in essence in court ... that we believe this man was part of the criminal conspiracy, along with the people who are on trial. We haven't indicted him but the relevance of that for the purposes of the trial is that [it] lets them get in more evidence about the unindicted co-conspirator's ... out-of-court statements than they otherwise could. It's a way around the hearsay rule. ... For example, if they want ... one of their witnesses, to talk about what [a person] said to him, ordinarily that would be barred by the so-called hearsay rule. You can't ... testify in a trial about what somebody else said out of court. That rule has a lot of exceptions. One of the exceptions is if the person who you're trying to quote ... is named by the prosecution as an unindicted co-conspirator, then you can talk about what he said out of court.

Substitute "organization" for "man" and "person" and this description applies to the situation of CAIR, ISNA, and NAIT.

[Bang]

We are the land of the free. If the muslims running for office obey the laws of this country, are born American and meet the other basic criteria, why should they be excluded?

Come to think of it, most people running for office couldn't care less about the laws of this country, so scratch that. Bad example.

But it is still the land of the free, and freedom of religion is guaranteed to all.

~Bang

[Sarge]

We are the land of the free. If the muslims running for office obey the laws of this country, are born American and meet the other basic criteria, why should they be excluded?

Come to think of it, most people running for office couldn't care less about the laws of this country, so scratch that. Bad example.

But it is still the land of the free, and freedom of religion is guaranteed to all.

~Bang

Unless you're a member of an organization that funnels money to terrorists

[chomerics]

Unless you're a member of an organization that funnels money to terrorists

So I guess you are against Bush senior, the Carlyle group, and of course Dubya himself for his dealings with Saudis who fund terrorism? What? You say that you defend them every step of the way?

Yea, nothing more to expect other than a hate filled response from the tailgate's to right wing lunatics who are still supporting Bush simply because he has a ® in front of his name. Why don't you muster up cskin and make the circle jerk complete? I mean GOD forbid running for public office in a free country :doh:

You guys are SO freaking un-American, and against everything our country stands for it is mind boggling. . .but then again, I don't have to tell you that, you are more than willing to profuse your ideological driven bigotry for all to see.

[Bang]

Unless you're a member of an organization that funnels money to terrorists

Obviously.

This is akin to having to be told not to drink from the toilet.

~Bang

[Sarge]

So I guess you are against Bush senior, the Carlyle group, and of course Dubya himself for his dealings with Saudis who fund terrorism? What? You say that you defend them every step of the way?

Yea, nothing more to expect other than a hate filled response from the tailgate's to right wing lunatics who are still supporting Bush simply because he has a ® in front of his name. Why don't you muster up cskin and make the circle jerk complete? I mean GOD forbid running for public office in a free country :doh:

You guys are SO freaking un-American, and against everything our country stands for it is mind boggling. . .but then again, I don't have to tell you that, you are more than willing to profuse your ideological driven bigotry for all to see.

You really need some new material. What's wrong, Daily Kos take a Labour Day break? Probably out celebrating the May Day weekend.

Here's a place that can tide you over until your comrades come back

http://www.cpusa.org/

Have fun

[Corcaigh]

For those who want to scrutinize the associates of everyone who might run for office, take a look at the history of Peter King, a Republican congressman from New York currently on his eighth term. He supported the IRA terrorists for many years, meeting their leaders and actively fund raising on behalf of an organization while they were engaged in a murderous campaign against civilians and police officers, as well as the British Army. When directly asked to, he refused to condemn a mortar attack by the IRA which murdered nine police officers.

Ironically he is the Ranking Republican member on the House Homeland Security Committee. I suppose it's hard to argue against his qualifications and knowledge of terrorism, given that he could be serving life in prison for his years of active support of international murderers and criminals, the IRA.

[ATV]

Many in the Republican party have actually been indicted, as opposed to "unindicted". This doesn't mean, though, that EVERYONE in the Republican party are criminals, does it?

[cjcdaman]

You really need some new material. What's wrong, Daily Kos take a Labour Day break? Probably out celebrating the May Day weekend.

Here's a place that can tide you over until your comrades come back

http://www.cpusa.org/

Have fun

:rotflmao:

[skinfan133]

"There are people who want to see Muslims not only at the table but on the ticket," said Malik Mujahid, president of the Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater Chicago, which sponsored the "Take Back America Rally" involving Dean.

thats a little scary. I didn't know these folks were around when America didn't need taking back. that's Ron Paul's job, not the muslims.

[Prosperity]

It's the job of all Americans, including Muslims. What's the point of this thread anyway. That Dean is a turrorizt?

[Thanos]

Sarge,

When did your check from the RNC clear?:laugh:

[Henry]

Again, so Muslims shouldn't run for office?

[Sarge]

It's the job of all Americans, including Muslims. What's the point of this thread anyway. That Dean is a turrorizt?

That Dean should maybe check what groups he speaks in front of. Of course, terrorists front groups have money, so.....................

[Corcaigh]

That Dean should maybe check what groups he speaks in front of. Of course, terrorists front groups have money, so.....................

And every recent US President, Republican and Democrat has welcomed Sinn Fein, the 'political wing of the IRA' into the White House on St Patrick's Day in order to garner support from the ill-informed Irish American community.

Sinn Fein is not an organization that hides its ties with terrorism. They openly talked about taking power 'with a ballot box in one hand and a rifle in the other'.

You seem much more concerned with American Muslims with alleged ties to terror than Catholics with the blood of thousands already on their hands.

[Sarge]

And every recent US President, Republican and Democrat has welcomed Sinn Fein, the 'political wing of the IRA' into the White House on St Patrick's Day in order to garner support from the ill-informed Irish American community.

Sinn Fein is not an organization that hides its ties with terrorism. They openly talked about taking power 'with a ballot box in one hand and a rifle in the other'.

You seem much more concerned with American Muslims with alleged ties to terror than Catholics with the blood of thousands already on their hands.

Maybe because muslims are the ones blowing things up around the world in the present day

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Maybe because muslims are the ones blowing things up around the world in the present day

Actually, it's because Muslims have never organized politically like the Irish in Boston and Chicago.

Maybe - just maybe - if more Muslims actively participated in a democratic political process in the US, there would be more interest in the democratic process in the Muslim World.

[Sarge]

Actually' date=' it's because Muslims have never organized politically like the Irish in Boston and Chicago.

Maybe - just maybe - if more Muslims actively participated in a democratic political process in the US, there would be more interest in the democratic process in the Muslim World.[/quote']

I highly doubt it. As is being demonstrated in Iraq, arabs have no idea what to do on their own and/or with a democracy. They've been under the thumbs of dictators for so long, they've become accoustomed to being told what to do.

That's the problem with the Iraqi government and most of the people. They are of the attitude of "Let the Americans do the hard stuff"

[luckydevil]

I highly doubt it. As is being demonstrated in Iraq, arabs have no idea what to do on their own and/or with a democracy. They've been under the thumbs of dictators for so long, they've become accoustomed to being told what to do.

That's the problem with the Iraqi government and most of the people. They are of the attitude of "Let the Americans do the hard stuff"

I am always amused by the blame the Iraqi people crowd. The truth is it is the architects and enablers of this war that deserve blame for the mess in Iraq.

Last time I checked, it was our government that invaded their country, removed their government, destroyed much of their infrastructure, and disbanded their military. Which therefore led to a huge power vacuum ( taken advantage by local militias and thugs) and predictably led the country into civil war.

The inability of so many to accept basic responsibility for what they have caused and pretending that is someone else's fault is beneath contempt.How ironic that the movement that preaches personal responsibility is unwilling to accept responsibility over this tragedy.

[Henry]

That's the problem with the Iraqi government and most of the people. They are of the attitude of "Let the Americans do the hard stuff"

So ... we shouldn't encourage Muslims here to participate in the democratic process because Muslims don't want to participate in the democratic process?

[PeterMP]

I highly doubt it. As is being demonstrated in Iraq, arabs have no idea what to do on their own and/or with a democracy. They've been under the thumbs of dictators for so long, they've become accoustomed to being told what to do.

This is great logic. So the Muslims have only ever known dictators so they can't learn about democracy be being involved in one. I wonder how the founding fathers managed to figure out how a democracy should work.