IS it just me, or........

[skinsn24]

We are talking about the fans concerns, coaches have much deeper concerns. I can't speak for the coaches but I had more concerns after the Pitt game. Sorry if this doesn't help your point.

As i said above, saying that injuries aside you had more conerns after the Pitt game then the Tenn game kills your credibilty.

But to be fair i will ask:

What were you more concerned about after in the Pitt game?

What made you think positive about the Tenn game?

[dfos81]

I've already answered your question see

But here is a question. The redskins beat the titans but lost to the steelers. Which game do you think (injuries aside) gave the coaches a bigger concern about the preformance of their team?

We are talking about the fans concerns, coaches have much deeper concerns. I can't speak for the coaches but I had more concerns after the Pitt game. Sorry if this doesn't help your point.

[skinsn24]

I've already answered your question see

We are talking about the fans concerns, coaches have much deeper concerns. I can't speak for the coaches but I had more concerns after the Pitt game. Sorry if this doesn't help your point.

Right, now we are talking about your conerns. So here again i state:

As i said above, saying that injuries aside you had more conerns after the Pitt game then the Tenn game kills your credibilty.

But to be fair i will ask:

What were you more concerned about after in the Pitt game?

What made you think positive about the Tenn game?

--i am asking for a fans concern, your concern. please list them or you can act like a puke and ignore the questions. (i beleive that is what you said pukes do).

[TonyRomoProBowl]

See how TRPB side stepped my question about players usually do not perform as well during a loss, hence a cause for concern after a loss more so than after a win.

So I'll ask again hoping he catches my point this time around.

You say wins and losses don't matter to Cowboys fans in preseason games, right.

But players performance does matter to the Cowboy faithfuls.

So tell me this in the 1st 2 preseason games did Dallas perform better or worse as individuals and as a team then what they showed against the Texans?

So this may be a lil deep for you,

but do you think a win warrants less concern than a loss?

I do, usually a win means guys performed better than the oppenents.

Maybe I'm crazy but I think wins and losses do matter to fans, even in preseason. You've already stated that they don't matter, but are you sure about that?

Either admit you've been :owned: or try and change the subject. Well I guess you could keep preaching that wins and losses don't matter in preseason, sure they do if your a fan of the team.

your obviously right, performance good or bad decides the games wins/loss outcome ......and its equal. A bad performance causes as much good vibes as a loss will cause concern. I say the record dosnt matter, because well....it dont! Ummmmm The Skins went 0-4 and win a SB...Colts last year went 0-4 in the preseason correct? The records go back to 0-0 for a reason....and if team A plays team B and both teams play #1's for a half and Team A is up 28-0, but in the second half team B puts up 31 points and wins 31-28, would you consider team B to be a better team? Not me....deeper, maybe....other factors would have to be considered, but if infact the #1's dominated and look good, but overall the team loses, well....would it matter to anyone that they were 0-1 in the preseason after that game?

[TonyRomoProBowl]

I love how Poke fans twist everything around to try and place the blame on the Skin fans :laugh:

1. No one hates anyone being here, what we hate is the constant homerism, the the constant whining that you are some how mistreated when we post poke articles that tell the truth about your team, truth you don't want to hear, your obnoxious sense of entitlement, like you deserve special treatment or "the belief that your **** don't stink" attitude and the 100% following of the Poke Fan Mantra :laugh:

right because you say so...or right because it fits your agenda, regardless of who writes what....you cant always believe what people say when they write articles, wether its good or bad.

[MisterPinstripe]

Right, now we are talking about your conerns. So here again i state:

As i said above, saying that injuries aside you had more conerns after the Pitt game then the Tenn game kills your credibilty.

But to be fair i will ask:

What were you more concerned about after in the Pitt game?

What made you think positive about the Tenn game?

--i am asking for a fans concern, your concern. please list them or you can act like a puke and ignore the questions. (i beleive that is what you said pukes do).

I think you destroyed his arguement rather well, not that it was hard. I dont see how he can have more concerns after the Pitt game as we played much better in that game then against tennesee. :whoknows:

[skinsn24]

I think you destroyed his arguement rather well, not that it was hard. I dont see how he can have more concerns after the Pitt game as we played much better in that game then against tennesee. :whoknows:

Thank you. I appreciate people that follow logic. I hate to back puke fans in arguements but when some one says something extremely false i gave to interject.

[dfos81]

your obviously right, performance good or bad decides the games wins/loss outcome ......and its equal. A bad performance causes as much good vibes as a loss will cause concern. I say the record dosnt matter, because well....it dont! Ummmmm The Skins went 0-4 and win a SB...Colts last year went 0-4 in the preseason correct? The records go back to 0-0 for a reason....and if team A plays team B and both teams play #1's for a half and Team A is up 28-0, but in the second half team B puts up 31 points and wins 31-28, would you consider team B to be a better team? Not me....deeper, maybe....other factors would have to be considered, but if infact the #1's dominated and look good, but overall the team loses, well....would it matter to anyone that they were 0-1 in the preseason after that game?

I got your point, but as a fan I don't care whos out on the field 1st string or 5th string, I wanna see my team win, even if the losses don't count in the record books.

I have less concerns for my team after wins more often then not.

Of course there will always be those preseason games were 1st stringers do well and the backups don't, but that doesn't mean it doesn't concern me, remember your only as good as your depth in the nfl.

Guys that you may label as a "scrub" could end up becoming a starter, just by performing well in preseason.

Just ask Joe Gibbs if winning and losing mean anything in preseason games.

Just ask any of the players if winning and losing preseason games matters to them.

I think it matters to our team now, more so than last years preseason, just b/c we started off on the wrong foot in preseason last year.

But what do I know, I'm just a fan that has less concerns when our team wins more often then not.

If you guys saw the difference in a teams attitude after a win, even in preseason, you would understand what I mean. Especially a team that finished 5-11 last year. Did you see how the players reacted on the sidelines after our "bubble guys" lead us to a win over the Titans.

Now if your trying to compare the Colts(superbowl champs) preseason thoughts, it may be different, they may not care about winning b/c they already know how to win games, they've proven that already.

What about Our teams the Cowboys and Redskins, do you think they wanna play to LOSE the game or do they wanna show they can play in this league and win games at the same time.

Any guy that plays a sport, meaningless or not, plays to win the game and as a fan I have less concerns more often then not when my team can pull out wins. I hope this is understandable for you.

[skinsn24]

In reference to puke fans:

Or better yet, watch how he disappears from this thread, only to reappear w/o any acknowledgment of the questions.

As i said above, saying that injuries aside you had more conerns after the Pitt game then the Tenn game kills your credibilty.

But to be fair i will ask:

What were you more concerned about after in the Pitt game?

What made you think positive about the Tenn game?

I've already answered your question see

We are talking about the fans concerns, coaches have much deeper concerns. I can't speak for the coaches but I had more concerns after the Pitt game. Sorry if this doesn't help your point.

Right, now we are talking about your conerns. So here again i state:

As i said above, saying that injuries aside you had more conerns after the Pitt game then the Tenn game kills your credibilty.

But to be fair i will ask:

What were you more concerned about after in the Pitt game?

What made you think positive about the Tenn game?

--i am asking for a fans concern, your concern. please list them or you can act like a puke and ignore the questions. (i beleive that is what you said pukes do).

I have less concerns for my team after wins more often then not.

Just ask Joe Gibbs if winning and losing mean anything in preseason games.

Just ask any of the players if winning and losing preseason games matters to them.

I thought we were talking about fans opinions? Lol. Still waiting on the postives from the Tenn game over the Pitt game.

[NomadicSkinFan]

Guys, could you please stop hijacking this thread... geez

[dfos81]

I thought we were talking about fans opinions? Lol. Still waiting on the postives from the Tenn game over the Pitt game.

Im a fan and I was pleased in both games, both games had positives and negatives, but I was more concerned about how our backups played in the Pitt game b/c if Campbell goes down, which he has already, what is Brunell going to do for us?

Remember very rarely in the nfl do your starters stay healthy all year, so depth is my concern.

Did you watch the games last year, why did we struggle? Was it b/c of our depth at some positions or what was the cause for our struggles, mainly on the D side. We all know the O had a new scheme and changed qbs. But what was our #1 excuse for struggling?

Like I said before, I'm less concerned after a win more often then not.

[skinsn24]

Guys, could you please stop hijacking this thread... geez

You are correct. My bad i take responciblity and appologize.:dallasuck

[dfos81]

Back to Bubba's point,

Dallas fans sure do come around here alot less after they lose. I think the Texans have their number

Of course Dallas fans will downplay it b/c its preseason, but the truth is preseason matters for a team that hasn't won a playoff game in over a decade and it matters to me and to the Skins, especially coming off a 5-11 season.

I couldn't wait to see our D after how we struggled last year, even if its preseason, it means alot to the players to get off to a good start in preseason and carry that over to the regular season. Winning sure does help the teams moral, preseason or regular season.

More often then not winning warrants less concerns than losing games, no coach wants to see his backups get smacked around, even if its preseason.

So if our backups come in and win games for us in preseason, that gives me less concern going into the regular, b/c your only as good as your depth. How often do teams go through the regular season w/o injury to the starters.

Yes, the Pitt game(Skinsn24) gave me some concerns b/c we couldn't seal the deal, you don't want that to carry over to the regular season. Alot of games are decided by a few plays here and their, so if you can trust your depth to come in and not skip a beat, that really gives you hope and less concern when a starter goes down.

For you to put injuries aside(hijacker24 JK i mean Skinsn24), is unrealistic, if your backups struggle, you will have more concerns about injuries to your starters.

Oh yeah, did I mention winning means alot to me as a fan of the Redskins, preseason or not. Even more so after a season like last year. Rant over.

Back to the topic, did you guys see Roy Williams get ran through by Ahman Green? I was surprised that was Roy, had to rewind the dvr a few times to belive it :laugh:

If Dallas's depth looks as bad as they did in the Texans game, Dallas fans better hope that injuries don't come to haunt them this year. We all know what bad depth did to us last year, its not pretty when that injury bug hits.

:dallasuck HTTR!!!!!

[dfos81]

You are correct. My bad i take responciblity and appologize.:dallasuck

I didn't recall you mentioning anything about the thread topic, you just started hijacking it, trying to side w/ a Cowboy fan :doh: Man, I can't speak for others but you lost a lot of respect in my mind, if you had any respect from other Skins fans to begin w/, I don't know.

I mean did you even notice how only 1 or maybe 2 cowboy fans have posted on here since they lost to the Texans?

Or are you just out to prove me wrong after getting :owned: in the stadium?

Either way, you just looked alot like a hijacker of threads.

[dfos81]

I thought we were talking about fans opinions? Lol. Still waiting on the postives from the Tenn game over the Pitt game.

Ok are you trying to hijack this thread?

Actually we were talking about how TRPB stated that the Cowboys fans are not concerned about wins and losses in preseason, just players performance.

I just asked if wins usually mean that players performed better.

I also gave my opinion that I belive wins= less concerns for the most part, not all the time, but most of the time, even in preseason wins can help teams get off to a better regulare season start.

Yes, it is possible that teams that are good put less value into preseason, so you can't take the Colts losing 4 preseason games very seriously b/c we know what Peyton and Co. can do when the games count.

Its different for a team like the Skins and the Cowboys, we haven't proven to be a superbowl contender in the nfl for a while now, so wins mean more to me as a fan, as it should for other fans of our teams.

TRPB answered very respectfully and said I was right.

What have you brought to this thread topic, besides attacking me b/c of past ownings(if thats a word :laugh: ) of you in the stadium?

Its sad to say this but I think I have more respect for TRPB then you now and your supposed to be on my side :2cents:

[HeHateMe]

has ATN been less active, and fewer visits by our resident Poke faithful since Saturday night?

last week you could NOT shake a stick without hitting a poke fan bragging and crowing

:whoknows:

maybe I am just imagining things

Preseason is meaningless.

The motto of ATN.

[dfos81]

Preseason is meaningless.

The motto of ATN.

Meaningless to you?

I didn't see any Cowboys fans saying that the win against the Colts was meaningless, but a loss to the Texans is

[BigDFan5]

But I'm sorry the Boys' posters have been conspicuously absent this week. A few have popped up here and there but for the most part they've been quiet as church mice.

I have made 50 posts since the Texans game ended, compared to 42 posts I made after the Denver win yup I am real quiet.

It's possible that they've all been "busy" as one Boys' poster suggested but I'm guessing that it has more to do with a little air being let out of the balloon.

Not at all, We are still going to the playoffs again

Also tr1 has posted just as many articles this week as he usually does. They just somehow roll off the front page much quicker than normal.

<crickets>

No actually he hasnt, he has posted like 2 articles in the last 3 days compared to his normal 3 a day.

[skinsn24]

Ok are you trying to hijack this thread?

TRPB answered very respectfully and said I was right.

What have you brought to this thread topic, besides attacking me b/c of past ownings(if thats a word :laugh: ) of you in the stadium?

Its sad to say this but I think I have more respect for TRPB then you now and your supposed to be on my side :2cents:

No i was not trying to hijack this thread, and i appologized for debating with you, and i was done....then you posted about 5 more times, calling me a hijacker and baiting me right back in. But now i am done, a wise man once said "don't argue with fools" so i wont. But i will leave you with a quote from a redskins fan, in this thread, who read our little debate.

--Quoting one of my posts, where i was debating you:

I think you (skinsn24) destroyed his (dfos81) arguement rather well, not that it was hard. I dont see how he can have more concerns after the Pitt game as we played much better in that game then against tennesee. :whoknows:

How do you spell it O-W-N-E-D?

[bubba9497]

Preseason is meaningless.

The motto of ATN.

only from Skin fans

too bad that Poke fans screamed and argued the opposite BEFORE the Texans game

you just can't have it both ways

sorry

[dfos81]

No i was not trying to hijack this thread, and i appologized for debating with you, and i was done....then you posted about 5 more times, calling me a hijacker and baiting me right back in. But now i am done, a wise man once said "don't argue with fools" so i wont. But i will leave you with a quote from a redskins fan, in this thread, who read our little debate.

So you proven that you have 1 Skins fan that thinks you proved me wrong and now I'm :owned: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Sounds to me like this was your only objective on here, so yes you did hijack it, is that right?

TRPB admitted I was right that winning usually does = less concerns, and I agreed that not ALL the time but most of the time it does.

You still have not put anything on here regarding the thread topic, you just keep attacking me. Why? are you out to prove me wrong b/c of the past?

Now you imply that I'm a fool, why revert to childish name calling to prove your point?

Are you wanting to be put on vacation? Jumbo is on mission, so I would be careful who you call a fool around here, thats not cool to attack someone personally.

This is about football not your personal vendetta against me b/c of me owning you in the stadiu.

[skinsn24]

only from Skin fans

too bad that Poke fans screamed and argued the opposite BEFORE the Texans game

you just can't have it both ways

sorry

I agree. The result of a preseason game is totally meaningless. What happens during the game can matter though. (position battles, injuries, and experience):dallasuck

[bubba9497]

Meaningless to you?

I didn't see any Cowboys fans saying that the win against the Colts was meaningless, but a loss to the Texans is

ding ding ding

and it took five days for most of them to show up to even attempt to spin a new tune...... and many are stil awol :laugh:

[BigDFan5]

We are talking about the fans concerns, coaches have much deeper concerns. I can't speak for the coaches but I had more concerns after the Pitt game. Sorry if this doesn't help your point.

I answered your question, I had more concerns after the Pitt game. Sorry if it doesn't help your point bro.

TRPB says that the Cowboys fans don't care about wins and losses in preseason, I belive they do.

Even in preseason, its good to see your future young players do well and not lose the game.

I belive a win warrants less concerns more often than not, is that hard to comprehend?

So you are saying if your starters come out and lay an egg, QB throws 3 INTs, WR drops 4 passes, and RB goes 9 carries for 12 yards but the backups win the game in the 4th quarter you are less concerned about that game than you would be a game in which all the starters played well but the backups lost the game in the 4th quarter?

[dfos81]

So you are saying if your starters come out and lay an egg, QB throws 3 INTs, WR drops 4 passes, and RB goes 9 carries for 12 yards but the backups win the game in the 4th quarter you are less concerned about that game than you would be a game in which all the starters played well but the backups lost the game in the 4th quarter?

Nope, winning means something in 1 way or another to the fans and players, thats my point.

Poke fans are saying that preseason is meaningless when they lose but did you hear any of that after they beat the Colts. I don't think so.