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What would have happened if Dan had kept Charlie Casserly?

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he'll go down in history for that mario williams over bush decision, but remember they had a really good #1 RB, who had a great season, but unfortunately missed all of last season so it wasn't as crazy as it seems.

Who the heck was that? I hope you aren't talking about Dominick Davis. It sure didn't deter New Orleans from drafting him with Deuce McAllister on the roster.

And the answer to the question is heck no. We've made a ton of mistakes in the last few years and yet we are still better off than we would be if we had kept Casserly.

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he'll go down in history for that mario williams over bush decision, but remember they had a really good #1 RB, who had a great season, but unfortunately missed all of last season so it wasn't as crazy as it seems.

Yeah, thats the thing. Reggie Bush would have been great and all, but at the time he was "surplus". If they think Mario Williams can be the next Julius Peppers, then it's not a bad pick. They needed pressure and although he played injured the whole year, Williams did apply some good pressure.

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he'll go down in history for that mario williams over bush decision, but remember they had a really good #1 RB, who had a great season, but unfortunately missed all of last season so it wasn't as crazy as it seems.

exactly, and bush is a hype machine more than a beast. dude gets soooo much hype. maurice jones drew had 5x the production bush had, and gets about 1/20th the hype.

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he'll go down in history for that mario williams over bush decision, but remember they had a really good #1 RB, who had a great season, but unfortunately missed all of last season so it wasn't as crazy as it seems.

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Exactly. He made a good GM call. Houston was running the ball fine when that draft came up. Their defensive line was horrid.

If Snyder had kept Charlie on, we'd have been a lot more competitive. I don't know if Charlie would have been able to squash the Spurrier debacle, but I like to think he'd have been in Dan's ear about keeping Marty. We'd have built a team from the inside out and might have appeared in the playoffs more this century.

Disclaimer: (The writer of this post in no way intends to convey that he is unhappy with JoeGibbs.)

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he'll go down in history for that mario williams over bush decision, but remember they had a really good #1 RB, who had a great season, but unfortunately missed all of last season so it wasn't as crazy as it seems.

I think the bigger mistake was passing on Vince Young. I know they wanted to give Carr a chance, but Vince was Mr. Texas. He was the home town guy that a struggling franchise could build around. This is a case where the owner should of stepped in and said "I want him." Especially when they're trying to compete with Dallas in the state. Vince Young would of created a lot of buzz and drawn a number of causal fans to the Texans.

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Exactly. He made a good GM call. Houston was running the ball fine when that draft came up. Their defensive line was horrid.

If Snyder had kept Charlie on, we'd have been a lot more competitive. I don't know if Charlie would have been able to squash the Spurrier debacle, but I like to think he'd have been in Dan's ear about keeping Marty. We'd have built a team from the inside out and might have appeared in the playoffs more this century.

Uhhh :no: Casserly was (in best Bill Laimbeer voice) horrible! He's about the only GM that would be a downgrade over Cerrato. The only difference had he stayed is that we'd have had a lot more high draft picks....and highly drafted busts.

As for the Marty comment, Casserly wouldn't have been here at the same time since Marty wanted full control. Such a setup implies that there's no GM because he's not needed (see Vinny "vestigal organ with Gibbs/Williams picking talent" Cerrato).

I think the bigger mistake was passing on Vince Young. I know they wanted to give Carr a chance, but Vince was Mr. Texas. He was the home town guy that a struggling franchise could build around. This is a case where the owner should of stepped in and said "I want him." Especially when they're trying to compete with Dallas in the state. Vince Young would of created a lot of buzz and drawn a number of causal fans to the Texans.

Actually I think their biggest mistake was not firing Casserly sooner so that he'd have never had a chance to blow that pick.

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What Casserly would have offered us is what any GM who can stand on his own two feet would do for us, get in Snyder's ear about how stupid some of these moves are. I'm not saying that Casserly is a genius, but the man knows better than to trade away an entire draft for backup players and busts.

But Casserly is still getting blamed for the Norv debacle so he'll probably never work in this town again.

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he'll go down in history for that mario williams over bush decision, but remember they had a really good #1 RB, who had a great season, but unfortunately missed all of last season so it wasn't as crazy as it seems.

It's only been one year... Most defensive lineman take a year to develop. What makes you think that Reggie Bush is anything more than a 3rd down back and part-time player who can carry the ball no more than 15-20 plays a game or else he will break down? What makes you think that Mario Williams won't become a great DE?

1) I can't blame Casserly for the pick, regardless... The Texans had a really solid RB in Domanick Davis and didn't have a great defensive lineman. Mario Williams' numbers at the combine surpassed even Julius Peppers'... I believe had the coach wanted Reggie Bush, Bush would've been on the team.

2) Casserly picked DeMeco Ryans in the 2nd round of that same draft... Overall, they didn't do too badly if you count those two picks.

3) I don't believe Casserly to be the kind of GM to form a team in his image... He basically tries to fill the team with the coaches players. Look at his time here with Norv Turner. Almost every pick had Norv Turner's stamp on them... From Stephen Alexander (next Jay Novacek), to Heath Shuler (next Troy Aikman), to Michael Westbrook (next Michael Irvin)...

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Uhhh :no: Casserly was (in best Bill Laimbeer voice) horrible! He's about the only GM that would be a downgrade over Cerrato. The only difference had he stayed is that we'd have had a lot more high draft picks....and highly drafted busts.

As for the Marty comment, Casserly wouldn't have been here at the same time since Marty wanted full control. Such a setup implies that there's no GM because he's not needed (see Vinny "vestigal organ with Gibbs/Williams picking talent" Cerrato).

Actually I think their biggest mistake was not firing Casserly sooner so that he'd have never had a chance to blow that pick.

We would have gotten alot more draft choices because we would not have traded them all away in foolish moves. We would have gotten more talent and more players like Ken Harvey.

We would have picked more appropriate players for the offense/defense and possibly made the Spurrier era a successful era with a GM that would have told Steve to pick one Florida has-been QB and he (CC) would get our starter.

Ramsey would never have been picked by CC. CC hates wasting darft picks for nothing, so we would have waited 3 days to get MB instead of giving up a second and 36 million bucks for an inconsistent aging constantly oft-injured QB coming off an injury season.

CC would never bypass a great DL/OL for a quewstionable QB in the draft.

CC understands where the Texans are in their development. When you are a new team you have question marks at every position.

After a few years of drafts and trades, you have less but QB, RB and WR should be the final glue to the team. When he picked Williams it was because their defense was horrible and needed building up in a major way. A QB at that time was pointless.

It would be like Young in TB....There was no defense in Tampa and not a good OL so why waste his time playing and getting nowhere fast? They traded him to SF and they had an OL and a defense. What happened with Young once he had all the talent surrounding him?

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That's a huge what if there, (and I try not to engage in those too much). However, I'm pretty sure that at the least, the Marty season would not have happened. Marty wanted the kind of control that Casserly wouldn't have given up I think. After that, who knows? And honestly, not sure I care that much either.

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Who the heck was that? I hope you aren't talking about Dominick Davis. It sure didn't deter New Orleans from drafting him with Deuce McAllister on the roster.

And the answer to the question is heck no. We've made a ton of mistakes in the last few years and yet we are still better off than we would be if we had kept Casserly.

yes, i'm talking about dominick, he had come off a great year and showed lots of upside at the time.

i'm just saying it wasnt' a completely crazy idea.

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Casserly sold out the Texans for the good of the nfl.

He let the beaten down city of New Orleans get the most desired star in the draft. He helped to create the greatest feel good story in a long time.

Two weeks later, he suddenly resigned.

One week later, he was rewarded with a front office job from the league.

Finanacial terms not disclosed.

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