Fergasun Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 I hadn't been able to watch the game until now, but I'm trying to figure out if he did or not, and what you guys think. Pass 1 (Cooley): Head doesn't move during live shot. On replay looks like he doesn't look anywhere except to Cooley. 2nd replay angle, looking at the same direction. It's possible he was looking to Betts/Sellers underneath. Pass 2 (Moss): Looking left all the way. There are 3 receivers that way, hard to tell if he's staring at Moss or Randle-El. On replay looks like Campbell stared down Moss. Pass 3 (Randle-El): Seems like he's looking for AREs spot again. ARE made a great read to cut back across to the open field. On replay looks like Campbell stares down the middle on drop-back and looks left when he sets. I don't think he looked anywhere but to ARE. Pass 4 (Moss): 5-step drop timing pattern to Moss. Great timing throw. Looked like they read the CB at the line. Not sure how they make sure no one bites under this route... but that was a great play. Pass 5 (Lloyd): Rolling right for Cooley that was covered. Forced into double coverage to Lloyd... not happy with the decision but trying to make a play. Pass 6 (Moss): 1-step screen to Moss. Timing throw, not much to comment on. Accurate pass. Pass 7 (Cooley): Looking right to Cooley the whole way. Replay confirms this. Pass 8 (Cooley): Coming off of play action... throws directly to Cooley. Replay shows he puts it away from the safety. So by my count he stared down his receivers 4 times... each time he didn't have a play-action or timing throw. I'm a little concerned by this, which is why I hope he's able to play again in the preseason. His throws were great and he looks comfortable in the pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winning Season Please! Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 I think that is a problem he has had and will be hard to break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinSince87 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Head movement isnt what its all about i played QB and the defensive backs arent looking at your head but at you eyes so as long as his eyes arent staying on them he's fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Shot Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Don't exactly know, just know that he completed most of those passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejay183 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Those are his first reads and if the defense doesnt cheat towards them and there are open then he will throw to them. Bet money that if the defense cheated towards them, he would have quickly moved on until he found a target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins59 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Staring down the receiver may be a problem, but it's not as big a problem as you may think, because a receiver has many different moves. Plus, he was very accurate last Sunday, so let's not worry about Jason Campbell. He'll be fine. Worry about the offensive line though. Even last year, Campbell didn't throw that many interceptions compared to, say, Eli Manning, who had more interceptions than touchdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin11 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Campbell doesnt hone on one receivor. Dont worry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzmuda Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Seriously. Not every throw requires a QB to look off a receiver. If you're worried about that sort of thing, watch Campbell's TD pass to ARE against the Eagles. Campbell sees he has single coverage on ARE with Dawkins in deep support. At the snap Campbell stares down Dawkins, freezing him in the middle of the field, Campbell then looks to ARE who has a step and fires it almost simultaneously. Dawkins is a step slow because Campbell didn't stare down his receiver and froze Dawkins in the middle of the field. If in one of his first starts he was showing that kind of poise, I think he can do the same after an offseason of work as the starter. Will he still stare down his WRs? Sometimes. Especially if he is unsure of what he is seeing - which young QBs can be from time to time. But Campbell has shown promise in this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackdaddydean Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 It's a timing offense. Starring down has little to no affect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Those are his first reads and if the defense doesnt cheat towards them and there are open then he will throw to them. Bet money that if the defense cheated towards them, he would have quickly moved on until he found a target.I agree with this. There's no need to check down if you have your first option available. I remember in his first two or three starts, the most impressive thing about him is how fluid and rhythmic his check downs were. He didn't bail on his first receivers unless they were blatently covered, and he rarely pulled a Brunell and just tossed it out of bounds when he had another option.And besides, who cares if he does when we're trucking down the field and he's not throwing pics? Like my brother the Naval doctor says about drinking .... "If you drink alcohol everyday and it doesn't cause any problems, then you, my friend, do not have an alcohol problem." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunBunch7 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 After he "stared" them down, he made passes at them...now they are sueing him for sexual harrassment...okay, I'm sorry...all this Portis-Trade thread ...Brunell-Trade thread stuff is starting to get to me...Can't we just start the seaosn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouvan59 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Don't exactly know, just know that he completed most of those passes. 6 for 8 with two drops. Apparently he wasn't staring them down too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnick Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 exactly, if he was staring down his WR's and went 6-8. Then imagine if he wasn't He'd be 9 for 8! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 he needs to look at the recivers to throw to them. The only and I mean only Qb I've seen who looked cross-eyed and threw in the opposite direction where he was staring was bernie kozar. Its not a big deal and if campbell did stare down his recivers he would have had a lot more interceptions then receptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sire Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 I wouldn't call it staring your receiver down. He made good decisions based on the pre-snap reads. You could say he forced the ball into Randle-El but he threw it low where only he could catch it. The only questionable throw was the last one to Cooley and it looked like something JC & Cooley have worked on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isle-hawg Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 I think JC has way more upside than downside, and am happy he is our QB. I am no coach (obviously) but from what I see on TV this is the one flaw JC's has that concerns me, as I think he telegraphs who is going to throw too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachingWinsChampionships Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Its called reading the coverage man. There's a read progression he goes through and usually the first several progressions are on the same side of the field so the QB can look at what the D is doing and and immediately react without having to look at the entire opposite side of the field and figure out whose open over there. It may looks like he's looking at one receiver but in fact he's probably got two options over there or made a pre-snap read such as seeing Santana one on one with a corner that is forced to give him a huge cushion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel2 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 He's making completions.....who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thetimeisnow Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Campbell should succeed this year he has two good running backs just like he did in college and he went undefeated. I hope he dosent let this injury get to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudMouth12thMan Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 No, Campbell is 6'4. He can see the entire field, and one of the biggest strengths (according to some analysts) is that he does go through his progressions. When you watch the games, you can't tell if there is another receiver in the vicinity of the one who he attempted to throw the ball to. At least you can't tell most of the time unless they do an all 22 cam shot. This is not a weakness of Campbell's IMO. His biggest weakness is not making quick enough decisions, as has been the knock on him all along. They say that he is getting better at that.:2cents: HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Interesting question, and nice effort at analysis. I think sometimes it's tough to tell from standard television coverage. Rarely do you get end zone shots looking in to the offensive backfield, which presumably would be the best angle to check that. In any case, even if he did so in the Pittsburgh game, it didn't hurt his performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 No, Campbell is 6'4. He can see the entire field, and one of the biggest strengths (according to some analysts) is that he does go through his progressions. When you watch the games, you can't tell if there is another receiver in the vicinity of the one who he attempted to throw the ball to. At least you can't tell most of the time unless they do an all 22 cam shot. This is not a weakness of Campbell's IMO. His biggest weakness is not making quick enough decisions, as has been the knock on him all along. They say that he is getting better at that.:2cents:HTTR Besides, zoomed out watching a game, he's big, he doesn't need to completely turn his head. This isn't madden QB vision, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Pressure Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 It's a timing offense. Starring down has little to no affect. That was my thought exactly. I can't say for sure, but I am pretty certain that the QB in this offense needs to make a read and know where he is going with the ball before the snap rather than by progressions after the snap. The reciever then has to have the timing down to look for the ball, and the defense has little time to react whether he is staring down the guy or not...at least thats how I understood it to be, I may be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanTaylorthePunterSlayer Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Besides, zoomed out watching a game, he's big, he doesn't need to completely turn his head. This isn't madden QB vision, :laugh: Damn that vision cone, the bane of my existance :doh:. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Keep in mind they arent running a lot of complex route combos, etc., so he probably is not being asked to manipulate a lot of defenses with his eyes, just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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