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Why, what do you care? How does an American citizen visiting a foreign country hurt the Union. What if an American scientist discovers a cure for cancer, would they not be allowed to go and collect their Nobel Prize award? Or, what if a scientist in another country discovered a cure for cancer, under your regime the US would not be able to learn about it. Cutting off all communications with all countries is a horrible idea because many technologies that we use were developed in other countries. Radar was first used by countries in Europe, and lets thank the Chinese for inventing gunpowder, but if you had it your way the United States might still be throwing rocks and looking for enemies with binoculars. Most great achievements in history were because of combined work done by scientists and engineers from different countries. If you had it your way the United States would not have developed Nuclear Power.

Still waiting for an answer Mass

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And what will be gained by this?

What will be gained is a huge reduction in the amount of improper and immoral information and philosophy enters this country from other countries. It's also the first step towards returning this country to a society based on morals and values which is the only thing that makes a society worthwhile to begin with.

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Total collapse of the United States economy. Thousands of people out of jobs, higher prices for goods and lower wages for employees, fewer goods available for purchase.
Not to mention harm and death to millions of other people due to US people not being able to go abroad to share science, etc (if they want to come back). Mass is clearly a socialist.

EDIT: And since he claims the New England Patriots are socialist, they are clearly his favorite team.

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What will be gained is a huge reduction in the amount of improper and immoral information and philosophy enters this country from other countries. It's also the first step towards returning this country to a society based on morals and values which is the only thing that makes a society worthwhile to begin with.

There are ALOT of things the United States can claim to be, but morally superior to other countries is not on that list.

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It would seem that a bunch of you might need a refresher course on the concepts of Morality and Values. ACW especially.

Cuba is a Communist/Socialist country. Even IF I believed that there should be contact between Americans and foreign countries, it definitely wouldn't extend to nations like Cuba for just that reason.

The idea of legalizing marijuana is again a significant moral & ethical problem. We already have too many legal mood & mind altering chemicals allowed in this country. We definitely don't need any more.

Need I say anything more?

Wow...can we say "brainwashed"...dude..sounds like you've been smoking WAY too much elitist and corporate propaganda.

How hypocritical it is to say that 'we already have too many' legal mind altering chemicals when talking about weed. The uses of weed go far beyond smoking it and getting high....in fact, the reason why its outlawed is because of those uses. Since its so easy to grow everyone could make their own paper, clothing, and medicine.

Hell, at least weed is natural...the **** they want to sell you on TV...all those drugs...will give you so many side-effects you'll have to take separate drugs for them. I bet the drug companies love pumping guys like you for money...:doh:

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Hell, at least weed is natural...the **** they want to sell you on TV...all those drugs...will give you so many side-effects you'll have to take separate drugs for them. I bet the drug companies love pumping guys like you for money...:doh:

That legal stuff will kill ya

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Wow...can we say "brainwashed"...dude..sounds like you've been smoking WAY too much elitist and corporate propaganda.

Nope. Not smoking corporate anything. Just living by the ideals and morals that I was taught as I grew up. Taught by my FAMILY.

How hypocritical it is to say that 'we already have too many' legal mind altering chemicals when talking about weed. The uses of weed go far beyond smoking it and getting high....in fact, the reason why its outlawed is because of those uses. Since its so easy to grow everyone could make their own paper, clothing, and medicine.

If you can come up with a version of the product that does not have the "medicinal" qualities, I'd be happy to see that made legal. Unfortunately, until then the good uses for the product get thrown out because there is no way to remove the "medicinal value" from the plants.

Hell, at least weed is natural...the **** they want to sell you on TV...all those drugs...will give you so many side-effects you'll have to take separate drugs for them. I bet the drug companies love pumping guys like you for money...:doh:

Actually, as someone who has severe glaucoma, to the point of having had surgery on both eyes while I was in college, I have no problem spending the money on corporate medicines (eyedrops) over using marijuana. None of those nasty marijuana side effects to Cosopt or Xalatan. Additionally, I had 31 teeth removed in an eight day period several years ago with only the pain killing effects of Advil, because Percocet and the other pain killers make me puke. I've got no problem with using that rather than an illegal drug; but thanks anyway.

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Taking a look at the majority of people/Americans I've met/encountered in my life, claiming that they, or we as a country, are morally superior seems far fetched to me.

Superior doesn't necessarily mean perfect, Comrade. I would suggest that in general American Society is about 30-40% moral, which is better than the 3-5% moral of the highest ranked other country in the world.

Likewise, I'd guess that there are maybe 3000-5000 truly moral people in this country. I'm talking about people who understand, accept, and carry through with proper morals. Compare that to the 3-5 truly moral people (at best) in any other country, and you get the idea of what I'm talking about.

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Superior doesn't necessarily mean perfect, Comrade. I would suggest that in general American Society is about 30-40% moral, which is better than the 3-5% moral of the highest ranked other country in the world.

Likewise, I'd guess that there are maybe 3000-5000 truly moral people in this country. I'm talking about people who understand, accept, and carry through with proper morals. Compare that to the 3-5 truly moral people (at best) in any other country, and you get the idea of what I'm talking about.

Can someone do me a favor and relate my message to Mass, he has me on ignore.

How do you know that there are only 3-5 moral people in other countries. Have you been to every country in the world, and talked to all the people in those countries. I have family that has traveled all over the world and they have said that a majority of people in other countries all are very good people. I'm not saying that America is immoral, I just don't think we are any more moral than the rest of the world.

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Mass - You've never been outside of the US. All you are saying in this thread is based on how you've imagined the world to be. Everyone that does this thinks that they are making decent posts but everyone with more experience can see right through it.

It's like the fools that were furious that a pizza place was accepting Mexican pesos. Anyone that travels knows that it is routine for places with heavy foriegn travel accept foreign currency. Those that don't know **** thought this was a big deal and pointed at it as some proof that the US was collapsing. When you don't know **** about **** it's best not to say ****.

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Can someone do me a favor and relate my message to Mass, he has me on ignore.

How do you know that there are only 3-5 moral people in other countries. Have you been to every country in the world, and talked to all the people in those countries. I have family that has traveled all over the world and they have said that a majority of people in other countries all are very good people. I'm not saying that America is immoral, I just don't think we are any more moral than the rest of the world.

QF MSF

Morals, however, are subjective brikem, so what you and I may find morally responsible or superior may be at the bottom of the barrel to somebody else. To me, it really only goes as far as the golden rule; treat others as you would want to be treated. That's really the basis for my beliefs, and I know others around the world as well. But thats just my view, obviously Mass has a different one.

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Mass - You've never been outside of the US. All you are saying in this thread is based on how you've imagined the world to be. Everyone that does this thinks that they are making decent posts but everyone with more experience can see right through it.

Actually I was in Canada twice for portions of a couple days in my childhood, so that's not technically correct. I do not at this point in my life see any reason to leave the boundries of the United States, regardless of what anyone else thinks on the matter.

It's like the fools that were furious that a pizza place was accepting Mexican pesos. Anyone that travels knows that it is routine for places with heavy foriegn travel accept foreign currency. Those that don't know **** thought this was a big deal and pointed at it as some proof that the US was collapsing. When you don't know **** about **** it's best not to say ****.

I was one of those "fools", Destino. Personally I believe the business license for the restaurant should have been pulled. It doesn't matter what they do anywhere else in the world, we're talking about what is PROPER and CORRECT here, and in the best interests of the United States (which is NOT accepting foreign currency).

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QF MSF.

Sorry to see that, Comrade. That earns you a seat right next to him. Buh Bye.

Morals, however, are subjective brikem, so what you and I may find morally responsible or superior may be at the bottom of the barrel to somebody else. To me, it really only goes as far as the golden rule; treat others as you would want to be treated. That's really the basis for my beliefs, and I know others around the world as well. But thats just my view, obviously Mass has a different one.

Not really, Comrade. I don't expect to be treated any different than I treat people. I don't expect to be treated any better than anyone else. I just don't buy into this idea that I'm anyone else's keeper or that it's my job to make sure anyone else has food, clothing, medical care, etc...

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I was one of those "fools", Destino. Personally I believe the business license for the restaurant should have been pulled. It doesn't matter what they do anywhere else in the world, we're talking about what is PROPER and CORRECT here, and in the best interests of the United States (which is NOT accepting foreign currency).

Again, if someone could relate this for me to Mass (hopefully he can act like a big boy and not ignore you for it).

Why does it concern you what a private establishment accepts as payment for its services? Most people could care less if the local pizza joint accepts foreign currency. If they wanted to trade a box of really nice rocks for a pizza, no one but the establishment and the person giving up the box of rocks is impacted.

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Again, if someone could relate this for me to Mass (hopefully he can act like a big boy and not ignore you for it).

Why does it concern you what a private establishment accepts as payment for its services? Most people could care less if the local pizza joint accepts foreign currency. If they wanted to trade a box of really nice rocks for a pizza, no one but the establishment and the person giving up the box of rocks is impacted.

It's not worth your time nor effort.

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