ewmartin7776 Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Now that we are in year 4 of Gibbs II, what do you believe is the most important thing we should hope for after the 5th and final season? A: Is stability of the franchise the most important thing (example: Greg Williams becomes HC, Saunders remains OC, we keep core players, and Snyder doesn't break the bank signing costly free agents)? Or B: Are wins the most important thing (we win 12 or more games this season and next, possibly even an NCF Championship and SB - but after year five we lose Greg Williams, Al Saunders and Joe Gibbs)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Joe Hog Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Winning the Super Bowl, without a doubt, is the ONLY goal that I care about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Why does it have to be an either/or proposition? Ideally stability leads to more wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Skinz need a clean sweep ... a complete redo ... the sooner the better ... they will never go anywhere under Gibbs ... he ... like his protege QB (Brunell) are washed up and behind the curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Wins ARE stability, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C26 Run Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 They both kind of run hand in hand to me. Stability will lead to more wins. If we keep changing coaching staffs every 5 years, then how can anyone reasonably expect us to win. :helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talk show host Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Now that we are in year 4 of Gibbs II, what do you believe is the most important thing we should hope for after the 5th and final season? A: Is stability of the franchise the most important thing (example: Greg Williams becomes HC, Saunders remains OC, we keep core players, and Snyder doesn't break the bank signing costly free agents)? Or B: Are wins the most important thing (we win 12 or more games this season and next, possibly even an NCF Championship and SB - but after year five we lose Greg Williams, Al Saunders and Joe Gibbs)? I hope that after FOUR years of joe gibbs II, we land coach chin or bellycheck, because they still have what it takes to create stability and wins. Gibbs II has proven he is incapeable of either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mania Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Skinz need a clean sweep ... a complete redo ... the sooner the better ... they will never go anywhere under Gibbs ... he ... like his protege QB (Brunell) are washed up and behind the curve. You my friend will be eating your words this season. I fully expect the Skins to win 10 to 11 games this season and be a competitive team in the playoffs this season. I'm sure you will be willing to post an apology to Gibbs at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Let's not overdo the value of stability. There is some advantage of sticking with a plan, any plan, because you get better at it. But, it's better to find a sound plan and stick with it. Our three-year record of 21-27 isn't evidence of a sound plan in effect. They have both been successful as coordinators in the past, but I don't view either Williams or Saunders as good choices for the job of head coach. Moreover, I hope our next plan includes a well-qualifed GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodriggo Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 What wins? We're 22-23 since 2004. At this point the only thing Gibbs II has going for it is that the team "plays their guts out" and doesn't embarrass us with their complete lack of balls(see Turner and Spurrier era) if not for their utter lack of talent and depth. They play hard and that's definitely Gibbs but that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Touchdown Redskins Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Wow, it seems a lot of Gibbs haters are coming out of the woodwork. It seems kind of hypocritical that you would call for his head when we are only just now starting year four of his tenure. It doesn't seem very stable to fire a head coach after four years, especially when in one of those seasons he led us to the second round of the playoffs, in another season he had a whole new offense, and the last season has yet to be played. We are building something special, and that takes time. Stop making knee-jerk reactions like our owner, that's what led to the 13 or so years of mediocrity between Gibbs I and II. I'm sure if we have a winning record this year, all you will be reversing field and sticking "In Gibbs We Trust" in your sigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 My goal is to be a very stable 6-10 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfaustus5000 Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 A brings about B. I think were heading in the right direction. Looking at our defense I see key position filled with alot of young talent that isn't going anywere. The team is starting to get to the point were a few key positions will pull them togethar. A stud on the D line, here. A key WR there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 My goal is to be a very stable 6-10 team. :laugh: Absolutely, and to achieve our goal of stability, let's stick with our plan of overpaying mediocre veteran free agents and dealing away our draft picks in trades for players other teams want to cut loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 I don't see the stability as of yet. I'd say wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 I'll go for the wins right now, if nothing else than to ensure Gibbs II isn't equated to failure. As for long-term stability, Gibbs in all probability won't be here after 2008. I'd like to see a coach brought in (if Williams isn't chosen to succeed Gibbs) who we plan on being here for the long-term, rather than someone like Cowher who will probably stick around for a couple of years before deciding that he really enjoyed retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brasi Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Skinz need a clean sweep ... a complete redo ... the sooner the better ... they will never go anywhere under Gibbs ... he ... like his protege QB (Brunell) are washed up and behind the curve. You are probably a good person but you sound like a clown.:point2sky We are SO much better. We have a shot at the playoffs THIS YEAR. Next year we'll be stable and GET wins. P.S. Joe Gibbs will prove you wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail Gibbs Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 :laugh:Absolutely, and to achieve our goal of stability, let's stick with our plan of overpaying mediocre veteran free agents and dealing away our draft picks in trades for players other teams want to cut loose. :laugh: :point2sky But seriously hopefully we have seen the end of that approach this offseason. Hopefully wins then stability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 One leads to the other imho. That stability goes from the top down. Coaching staff, (sans Saunders), has been in place for 3 seasons now. Figure this second season gives a bit more stability in the Offense. That helps. Then of course, the tough one, stability in the players. That's not easy to come by and doesn't last a long time,(injuries not withstanding). Figure this is a good year to start to really build on the stability that's already there, (read: Hope Jason Campbell at the QB position), and go from there. Hopefully the distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesome Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 What's the point of stability without wins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gart Monk Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 At least with Gibbs there is hope. All you haters and younglings should feel lucky that the man came back to get this thing going again. He will do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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