herrmag Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 After having that scare with Campbell last night, has anyone other than myself changed their opinion on the seemingly endless rules protecting the Quarterback? I must admit that I used to think the "babying" of QB's had gotten out of hand. I guess now that I know how Bengals' fans must've felt (even if only for a brief moment), I am starting to ease up on my stance. I suppose this makes me a bit of a hypocrite, but the QB is the most important player on the field, and probably the most vulnerable. Anyone else having a change of heart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu7ch Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Well...living in Cincinnati I can tell you that most fans hate the "babying" of QBs but the shots to the knees should be fined. Bengal fans hate Pittsburgh even more after all of that (they still think they would've won the super bowl that year). Then again, Cincy is such a front-runner city it's sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboDaMan Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 After having that scare with Campbell last night, has anyone other than myself changed their opinion on the seemingly endless rules protecting the Quarterback? I must admit that I used to think the "babying" of QB's had gotten out of hand. I guess now that I know how Bengals' fans must've felt (even if only for a brief moment), I am starting to ease up on my stance. I suppose this makes me a bit of a hypocrite, but the QB is the most important player on the field, and probably the most vulnerable. Anyone else having a change of heart? No change of heart; I'm already on board. Tackle a guy as viciously as you can, but don't take a guy out at the knees. I wouldn't limit that to QBs either - stay off everybody's knees. I'm no fan of the Denver chop block either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneBoost Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 I still think they're over protective, but when things happen like last night, they need to be called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Shots like that should be reviewable by the head ref. if he determines that it was accidental falling into the leg (Carson Palmers injury was an accident), then the player should be ejected. That'll fix it. It soccer, if you make a slide tackle at someones legs, you can end their career, make a bad one, and they'll eject your sorry ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldysknzfn1 Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 I don't think I've had a change of heart on this matter. I agree w/protecting players. I agree w/Jimbo somewhat about the knees. Stay off of folks' knees and any type of intentional tackling that could cause injury beyond what's expected(I don't know if that makes sense or not). You expect some injuries in football...the broken fingers...the dislocated joints...battered and bruised...but stuff that can knock ppl unconscious is just over the top and cutting ppl off at the knees is just stupid.:2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsn24 Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 I just think it is very interesting that this play was almost identical to palmers play, long completion downfield and a shot to the knees. It was the steelers both times. Maybe someone needs to talk to their coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat~man Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 they overdo some of it , shots at the knees need to be checked , and dealt with more harshly IMO , 15 yards? whats 15 yards when someone's season is over , or even their career? ... fines , and major suspensions for shots at the knees , that goes to any player on the field , the Qb is protected that way cause he just has to stand still and take it sometimes in order to deliver the pass , so he is vulnerable to no end sometimes , and to hit a man in the knee while doing that is just lame and deserves punishment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dblE Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 My opinion has not changed on this. Totally for protecting the QB. Even players who are in a zone can "pull up". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 i hate the penalties. qbs are just like everyone else with the ball in their hand, fair game. yea, he's looking down field. is that the defender's fault? he busted his ass to get to the qb only to be able to hit him in a specific area? BS I say. You hit the ball carrier anyway you can to get him on the ground. Second thought...avoiding the knees of all players are a good idea, but i think hard to execute. i can understand chop blocking but a lot of diving tackles are at a player's knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 they overdo some of it , shots at the knees need to be checked , and dealt with more harshly IMO , 15 yards? whats 15 yards when someone's season is over , or even their career? ... fines , and major suspensions for shots at the knees , that goes to any player on the field , the Qb is protected that way cause he just has to stand still and take it sometimes in order to deliver the pass , so he is vulnerable to no end sometimes , and to hit a man in the knee while doing that is just lame and deserves punishment Agree 100% with this. It should be handled on a case by case basis, as you really shouldn't get into a bunch of trouble for getting tripped up and accidentally rolling into the back of a QB's leg. However, if it is deemed that the player did it on purpose (not necessarily trying to injure someone intentionally, but that it obviously wasn't an accident...like the hit on JC) there should be major consequences including possible suspension and heavy fines; how long and how much should be up to the NFL upon reviewing the case and the film. Hell, if a player hurts someone and ends their season by knowingly and intentionally doing something illegal and dangerous perhaps they should be suspended for the rest of the year. You end someone else's season by knowingly doing something dangerous that resulted in an major injury, you should have your season ended too. And it isn't like that would suddenly make everyone in the NFL alter their games and play "soft". These guys hit as hard as ever, and they should be able to, but they do it according to the rules. They are pro athletes. They can and do adapt their playing to fit the rules while still being able to play very physical. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Pressure Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 i hate the penalties. qbs are just like everyone else with the ball in their hand, fair game. yea, he's looking down field. is that the defender's fault? he busted his ass to get to the qb only to be able to hit him in a specific area? BS I say. You hit the ball carrier anyway you can to get him on the ground.Second thought...avoiding the knees of all players are a good idea, but i think hard to execute. i can understand chop blocking but a lot of diving tackles are at a player's knees. I would take into consideration that the QB is standing still a lot of the time much like kickers and punters, and look what happens when you so much as breathe on them... The thing that I find unsettling is that a QB can be taken out of the game or maybe the season quite easily and the only penalty is 15 yards...you can't make up for the loss of a star QB with 15 extra yards. It seems a little uneven to many. I always said if you put on the pads you take the risk, but as long as the NFL is holding different positions to different standards I think they should protect the QB a little more than a punter or someone who has less impact on the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 I hate a lot of the rules against hitting QBs. Besides shots to the head and shots to the knees, QBs are coddled out there compared to the rest of the players. One of the first things I'd get rid of is the SLIDE. If a QB wants to run with it, let them be treated as ANY other football player. Especially with the running QB's, its ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted August 20, 2007 Author Share Posted August 20, 2007 I hate a lot of the rules against hitting QBs. Besides shots to the head and shots to the knees, QBs are coddled out there compared to the rest of the players. One of the first things I'd get rid of is the SLIDE. If a QB wants to run with it, let them be treated as ANY other football player. Especially with the running QB's, its ridiculous. Very true. I can't say that I have changed my stance on the slide rule. I'm curious when QB's are going to start faking the slide to get the defender to slow up and then make a move to get around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjinhan Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 i think the rules and protection provided by the rules should be same for every player IMHO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Skins Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 i think the rules and protection provided by the rules should be same for every player IMHO... I completely agree, qbs are getting so big themselves you can't baby them anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuchip703 Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Any shot to the knees, be it a QB or any player, should be a heavier offense. A fifteen yard penalty for a hit that could be career ending just doesn't equate. They need to look into knee fines the same way they did helmet to helmet hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 QB's are supposed to be FOOTBALL PLAYERS as much as everyone else on the field. If they'd spend more time in the offseason getting ready for the season instead of dating models and drinking pina colodas maybe they could actually take some of these hits without getting turned into a bowl of pasta. If they can't stand the heat, maybe they should go over and join the cheerleaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB44 Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Knees are so vulnerable in Football. Any rules against hitting somone in the knees I'm definitely for. I hate seeing what happened to Jason, or any other QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB44 Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Any shot to the knees, be it a QB or any player, should be a heavier offense. A fifteen yard penalty for a hit that could be career ending just doesn't equate. They need to look into knee fines the same way they did helmet to helmet hits.Missed your post.Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 If the league had better backups maybe this would be an unnecessary rule. But think about Todd Collins, or Mark Brunell for a full 16 game season. And most teams have worse backups than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 The wussification of football is mindboggling. Every player, same rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 I agree. I think they need to protect the QB now. I used to think it was BS, but the QB is throwing and hit in the legs when they least expect it and can't brace for it. At least a RB can brace for a hit or a WR knows what's coming when he goes up for a pass. A QB can't even see it. espcially when he is standing up and someone goes right into his knees. Like what happened to Carson Palmer and then Jason Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailSkinz1 Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 I hate these rules. The fact that something happened to JC hasn't changed my mind at all. Keep in mind, after all JC's theatrics on the field, he only suffered a bruise. I'm not sure what else you can do to prevent something like that from happening. Players get hit - it's tackle football afterall! Looked to me like the player hit JC in the thigh, not the knee. I guess we're supposed to expect Dlinemen to just stop now when they get close to the QB. You can't hit 'em high, you can't hit 'em low, you can't lead with your helmet down, you can't lead with your helmet up, you can't leave your feet (which is the only thing the Steeler player did wrong in my opinion), you can't touch 'em if they slide feet first, it just goes on and on. I don't know, I don't recall QBs getting hurt that much before all these rules came into play. They used to be football players, but now they've been conditioned to be wimps. Hail, H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 I don't know, I don't recall QBs getting hurt that much before all these rules came into play. They used to be football players, but now they've been conditioned to be wimps. Really simple, actually. The league has taken a ton of tools away from the O-Linemen. They've taken away the headslap, the cut and chop blocks, and some of the double-teaming options that used to be used to protect the QB's. They've also put much more of an emphasis on CALLING the holds. So basically you have D-Linemen digging in at the LOS like racecars, ready to blow past the turnstiles and ballroom dancers that the NFL has turned O-Linemen into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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