ewmartin7776 Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 I saw some of the highlights of the game tonight (couldn't catch the whole thing cause I live in Atlanta), but Todd Colins' performance was very good statistically. But, regarding his arm strength and the velocity of his throws, did his passes look weak? The pass to B.L. for the touchdown looked right on, but is also looked like it took a looooong time to get there. What's your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jofizz Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 He finished off that drive that Campbell started perfectly. I think his passes were well thrown for the most part. He looks better than he did in last years pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryGreenMonk Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 He finished off that drive that Campbell started perfectly. I think his passes were well thrown for the most part. He looks better than he did in last years pre-season. I agree and thought he played very well. I was most impressed by his ability to see the blitz and react immediately. Which is something I haven't seen JC or Brunell been able to do very often. Not saying I think he's better than JC, cause I definitely don't think so. But I think he knows the playbook so well that when he's see's the blitz coming he knows exactly who should be open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 Collins doesn't have a lot of straight-line velocity on his throws, but he did show some zip on a few passes to the flats. He does put great touch on his throws, though, and is a lot better than Brunell at hitting guys in stride in their routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jofizz Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 One thing that is key about Collins is his ability to feel comfortable in Saunder's system. That really shows when he's out there on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyron Biggums Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 Not Elway like (70 MPH) nor was it like noodle arm Scott Boonell ( 12 MPH).. His passes had just enough zip on them when he threw it, he held on to the ball a lil long a couple times. :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 He looked pretty great those first couple drives. read blitzes well and new exactly where to throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area51 Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 While his passes did not have much velocity, they were pretty accurate. I must say I am very impressed with his play these last two games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlitzFiftySix Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 Of course they did. There is a reason he has been holding a clipboard for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyron Biggums Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 Of course they did. There is a reason he has been holding a clipboard for so long. May I ask why Scott's Brunell's passes are so weak then? :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 Obviously that's not his strength. He's a game manager. And that's what he did. Can't fault him for that. Let's just hope Campbell is out there by the time we play Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUforREDSKINS Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 I thought he looked great. The pass out in the flat to the backs when the blitz was on impressed me more than the pass to B. Llloyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 Well he obviously doesn't have the arm strength of JC. So i can see the point of you thread. But like the other posters have said, he knows the offense, and knows what to do with the ball just as good, or maybe better the JC right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggins77 Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 May I ask why Scott's Brunell's passes are so weak then? Because he is the little brother of Mark Brunell and is not super smart like his older brother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 I saw some of the highlights of the game tonight (couldn't catch the whole thing cause I live in Atlanta), but Todd Colins' performance was very good statistically. But, regarding his arm strength and the velocity of his throws, did his passes look weak? The pass to B.L. for the touchdown looked right on, but is also looked like it took a looooong time to get there. What's your opinion? short answer: yes. you could see it in the Tenn game on the quick outs. he doesn't have great arm strength. have Saunders/Gibbs pushed him to go deep once this preseason? A BIG FAT NO. if he is in for the long term we will see the same thing that happened last year and in previous seasons....defenses will stack the box cuz they know Collins is no deep threat. Stick with Collins if you want a manager. BUT...you have to ask yourself....against the top defenses when you need outstanding athletic ability - is a manager going to cut it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondie Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 short answer: yes.you could see it in the Tenn game on the quick outs. he doesn't have great arm strength. have Saunders/Gibbs pushed him to go deep once this preseason? A BIG FAT NO. if he is in for the long term we will see the same thing that happened last year and in previous seasons....defenses will stack the box cuz they know Collins is no deep threat. Stick with Collins if you want a manager. BUT...you have to ask yourself....against the top defenses when you need outstanding athletic ability - is a manager going to cut it? Stick with Collins???? I dont even think that is up for debate? Where did THAT come from? As to answer the original poster: I think it was mentioned that he has not thrown deep. His passes seemed to lack the "zip" of a JC pass......but.....I really not sure I would consider them weak. He has not practiced with the 1st team.....maybe he was trying to gauge his first opportunity with those guys. I think he did a good job. He stepped in and didnt miss a beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theivorhick Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 May I ask why Scott's Brunell's passes are so weak then?:dallasuck dude, its mark brunell. not scott... where in the world did this scott brunell come from... but, anyway, i do think collins did a great job filling in. actually, so did brunell. its good seeing our backups not suck for once... (knock on wood) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairRedskin Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 Scott comes from a game in which the announcer kept calling Brunell that. I don't Collins passes have a lot of velocity, but I think he makes pretty good decisions with the ball, save for maybe hanging on to the ball a little long on that sack. I love how quick he recognizes blitz and goes to his hot read. If the preseason were to end right now, Brunell should be the odd man out. I think he's too erratic. He's also not a pocket passer. Both Collins and Campbell are. I don't see any reason to keep both Collins and Brunell and let Palmer go to the practice squad. I think you keep Palmer on the roster at the number 3 spot. Unless Brunell totally blows up the next two games, I think he's outlived his usefulness for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 I saw some of the highlights of the game tonight (couldn't catch the whole thing cause I live in Atlanta), but Todd Colins' performance was very good statistically. But, regarding his arm strength and the velocity of his throws, did his passes look weak? The pass to B.L. for the touchdown looked right on, but is also looked like it took a looooong time to get there. What's your opinion? His passes look weak because he has a weak arm. Don't expect to go down the field unless it's a run after the catch scenario while he's in the game. But the guy knows where everyone is on the field, so he will generally make the short passes to keep the ball moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stwasm Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 If the coaching staff can compensate for Collns' shortcomings with a scaled-back game plan, then I can overlook that. Having said that, I would like to see us go up-field more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsInFebruary Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 Collins had one slapped back at the line of scrimmage, didn't he? I think sometimes you have to arc the ball to get it over defenders, which via physics, will take longer to arrive at the target. His balls also seemed to be decently timed and catchable. As long as he's not floating it up where a defender can grab it. Not sure if he can stretch it downfield but he seems more able to than Brunell. I'm really glad Collins was able to step right in and the offense didn't seem to miss a beat. He seems to have a certain amount of confidence in himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HateYanksDukeCowboys Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 I saw some of the highlights of the game tonight (couldn't catch the whole thing cause I live in Atlanta), but Todd Colins' performance was very good statistically. But, regarding his arm strength and the velocity of his throws, did his passes look weak? The pass to B.L. for the touchdown looked right on, but is also looked like it took a looooong time to get there. What's your opinion? joe montana's passes looked weak for 15 years. what's your point? you want Brunell as 2nd string? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander_N_Chief Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 It was already mentioned but the best parts about Collins performance was his ability to hit recievers in stride and his ability to react to the blitz and make something happen; a far cry from what I watched with Brunell last year. He may not have the zip but he does have a great touch(maybe I'm wrong someone correct me, but he reminds me of an older version of Pennington?) Also I must be stuck on dealing with dump offs from last season but wasn't Collins pass to Lloyd a "deep ball?" What's the def for a deep ball around here? I'll take 20+ yard shots through the middle(which was something I didn't see last year). Someone made the statement about this could turn into another season of just stacking the d like last year(should something happen to Jason), there's a couple different reasons why that could be untrue. First, Collins knows this playbook, and he knows where his recievers should be...I contributed that to some of Brunell's problems last year(he just seemed misplaced all the time). Secondly, with very limited gameplay that means very little to work with in practice meetings for opposing teams. I said it last night at the game, Collins is like having a seasoned rookie(just not his age). Third, I mentioned it a bit already but with Collins knowing this O better than anyone and that's including Jason, he can work himself out of a jam should a blitz come. I didn't fear watching a play if I saw the Steelers showing blitz, where I did all last season, last weeks preseason game, and this week as well when Mark was in. Again not much for arm strength but he makes up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 Collins is a rhythm guy. What he lacks in arm strength, you'll find he tries to compensate for with timing. He'll throw the ball a step or two before the WR even turns around. He does this a) because he knows where the guys are supposed to be and that's when he has to throw the ball so that the WR isn't waiting for the football after he makes is break. Campbell (and even Brunell) can afford to wait a little longer and zip the ball in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpheusmeyers Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 Not Elway like (70 MPH) nor was it like noodle arm Scott Boonell ( 12 MPH)..His passes had just enough zip on them when he threw it, he held on to the ball a lil long a couple times. :dallasuck 12 MPH, LOL. Hey give the man a break he's a junk ball pitcher not a Nolan Ryan. Seriously though, when Brunell came in last night I just knew it was going to be short pass city. 1st pass, WR screen. Ughhhh. And I had no faith that he was going to drive us downfield 40 yards on that last drive to get us into field goal range to win the game. Granted, the int to seal the L was tipped...but still felt like with Brunell in there we just weren't going to pull it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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