Bang Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 Crazy talk. You couldn't be more wrong. Agreed,, Baseball is a terrific game. It pains me to see what this clown Selig has allowed to happen to it. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 And as far as Clemens, Rince, a pitcher purposely throwing at a guy like that could be construed as assault with a deadly weapon.. he's lucky it wasn't. I agree with his suspension. But, in the face of this, why bother? Let the players do anything they want! Woo hoo! It's a free for all! ~Bang Screw that. Defending your teammates has always been and always will be part of the game. So we should have just let them take free shots at A-Rod? They threw at him TWICE and neither of their pitchers was even ejected let alone suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 Screw that. Defending your teammates has always been and always will be part of the game. So we should have just let them take free shots at A-Rod? They threw at him TWICE and neither of their pitchers was even ejected let alone suspended. :laugh: I agree the brushback is part of baseball as is the retaliation. But the cave-in-the-ribcage.. well, that's a bit much. Anyway, this debate will quickly hijack this thread, I'm sure. Oh, and F the Yankees! ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 :laugh: I agree the brushback is part of baseball as is the retaliation. But the cave-in-the-ribcage.. well, that's a bit much.Anyway, this debate will quickly hijack this thread, I'm sure. Oh, and F the Yankees! ~Bang Me hijack a thread? never. By the way, I wouldn't mind the Clemens suspension if it was only 3 games and the second Jay's pitcher to throw at A-Rod had been tossed. They got one throw at him and missed - the second time is just going too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Come on- this essentially a plea bargain. He gives up the dirt, and they don't prosecute. I don't know what he gave up to know if it was worthwhile, but it isn't surprising. In addition, the NFL situation is different because the union is going along. If the suspended Giambi w/ no failed drug test, the union would fight it (and possibly win), which would really make him look weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Screw that. Defending your teammates has always been and always will be part of the game. So we should have just let them take free shots at A-Rod? They threw at him TWICE and neither of their pitchers was even ejected let alone suspended. But Arod being thrown at was retaliation for the "Ha!" game, right? Clemens is throwing himself in a situation where he doesn't belong. Therefore, was stupid for his actions. Yankees were getting stomped by the Orioles, and Yankee pitchers threw at Tejada, then Markakis later in the game. The charge? Patterson stole with a somehwat big lead. Whoopity do. Torre *conveniently* took Arod and Jeter out of the game before their next AB. So on Wed, with 2 outs and nobody on, Jeter got one on the hip and it was all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsl2 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Well maybe if baseball had developed a test for steroids, this wouldn't be an issue. Just "trusting" players not to try to gain an advantage when millions of dollars is involved, is STUPID on MLB's part. Now it is coming back to bite them in the arse. MLB should just take their lumps and MOVE ON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 But Arod being thrown at was retaliation for the "Ha!" game, right?Clemens is throwing himself in a situation where he doesn't belong. Therefore, was stupid for his actions. Yankees were getting stomped by the Orioles, and Yankee pitchers threw at Tejada, then Markakis later in the game. The charge? Patterson stole with a somehwat big lead. Whoopity do. Torre *conveniently* took Arod and Jeter out of the game before their next AB. So on Wed, with 2 outs and nobody on, Jeter got one on the hip and it was all over. Clemens had no part in it? He was sticking up for his teammate. And like I said the fact that they threw at him TWICE is what is so ****ed up. I have no problem with the O's retaliating - they should have. But, why aren't you saying Bedard threw himself into a situation where he doesn't belong? Oh, and **** Selig and his tie All-Star games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschurm Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Selig was a problem when he 1st became the Commish (owner running the league? conflict of interests?) and has done more harm for the sport than anybody, except maybe Bonds (in my mind). I wish George Mitchell would have taken the job when he retired from Congress. I think baseball would be in a much better place. I also believe the steroids scandal may not have happened because Mitchell appears to have integrity and wouldn't have allowed their use to run rampant for the sake of the HR thirsty fans. I think Selig sold his soul when he overlooked steroid use. He is as much to blame, if not more, as the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Clemens had no part in it? He was sticking up for his teammate. And like I said the fact that they threw at him TWICE is what is so ****ed up.I have no problem with the O's retaliating - they should have. But, why aren't you saying Bedard threw himself into a situation where he doesn't belong? Oh, and **** Selig and his tie All-Star games. Arod's "Ha" was a special sort of Bush league play, I guess. :laugh: Required some contact. Bedard is in a different situation. Clemens threw at guys in the same game after it was "over." With Villone's throwing at Markakis, the situation was not over until the next day. Jeter saw it coming, and took his base in stride. Kudos to him as he plays the right way. Bedard is the ace of the Orioles staff and something like this should be expected of him. Clemens isn't the Ace of the Yankees staff, and she shouldn't have been involved. If Shuey had plunked Cabrera on the night of the 12-0 drubbing, then it would have been over with, but the O's waited a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Arod's "Ha" was a special sort of Bush league play, I guess. :laugh: Required some contact.Bedard is in a different situation. Clemens threw at guys in the same game after it was "over." With Villone's throwing at Markakis, the situation was not over until the next day. Jeter saw it coming, and took his base in stride. Kudos to him as he plays the right way. Bedard is the ace of the Orioles staff and something like this should be expected of him. Clemens isn't the Ace of the Yankees staff, and she shouldn't have been involved. If Shuey had plunked Cabrera on the night of the 12-0 drubbing, then it would have been over with, but the O's waited a day. I have no problem with Bedard hitting Jeter. I do have a problem with the Jays throwing at A-Rod TWICE. You seem to be ignoring that fact. You throw at a guy once - if you miss, too bad for you. They had no business going after him again the next day. And I've never heard that it has to be the ace to stick up for his guys. I sure as hell would be scared of Wang hitting me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 I have no problem with Bedard hitting Jeter. I do have a problem with the Jays throwing at A-Rod TWICE. You seem to be ignoring that fact. You throw at a guy once - if you miss, too bad for you. They had no business going after him again the next day.And I've never heard that it has to be the ace to stick up for his guys. I sure as hell would be scared of Wang hitting me. Well, the desired outcome of throwing at a guy is to hit them. Throwing at him twice and hitting him the second time still nets one painful impact, and certainly shows the intent. And that one impact was all they needed. Should the pitcher have been ejected for missing, then throwing again? sure thing. Sorry about the Ace comment. Its not that only an Ace can retaliate or stick up for his guys. Its that Trembley demanded that nobody throw at a Yank during that stomping, but certainly allowed Bedard to read between the lines and use his best judgement. If the benches were warned and Clemens threw at someone anyway, well that's just plain stupid, espcially since it was basically all over. The Yankees WERE playing too good of baseball to get into these petty fights with teams at or below .500 and Rocket should have kept in near the plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Well, the desired outcome of throwing at a guy is to hit them. Throwing at him twice and hitting him the second time still nets one painful impact, and certainly shows the intent. And that one impact was all they needed. Should the pitcher have been ejected for missing, then throwing again? sure thing. It was in two different games (the first two of the series) and that's what pisses me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 Well maybe if baseball had developed a test for steroids, this wouldn't be an issue. Just "trusting" players not to try to gain an advantage when millions of dollars is involved, is STUPID on MLB's part. Now it is coming back to bite them in the arse. MLB should just take their lumps and MOVE ON. In this post Baseball = Selig Stupid = Selig MLB = Selig Them = Selig They= Selig Unfortunately by allowing this and now turning the other cheek on Giambi, how can baseball MOVE ON? Move to what? Cheaters prosper, and apparently, that is the way Selig likes it. His utter spinelessness has sullied the game badly. The best way for baseball to move on is to hang Selig out by his ankles and appoint a new commissioner who will try to clean the game up. As to PeterMPs post,, I hope you're right, and as I said before, if you are right, Giambi better name names and something better happen, or it simply appears that once again Selig has failed to show any balls at all. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 In this postBaseball = Selig Stupid = Selig MLB = Selig Them = Selig They= Selig Unfortunately by allowing this and now turning the other cheek on Giambi, how can baseball MOVE ON? Move to what? Cheaters prosper, and apparently, that is the way Selig likes it. The best way for baseball to move on is to hang Selig out by his ankles and appoint a new commissioner who will try to clean the game up. ~Bang They should call that Roger Goodell guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnick Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Why not? They suspended Clemens 5 games for defending one of his teammates. Because one was seem by everybody on the field. So, people get a few games suspended all the time. This could end Jason's season or career. There is a HUGE difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Unfortunately by allowing this and now turning the other cheek on Giambi, how can baseball MOVE ON? Move to what? Cheaters prosper, and apparently, that is the way Selig likes it. The best way for baseball to move on is to hang Selig out by his ankles and appoint a new commissioner who will try to clean the game up. ~Bang Now that baseball has a substantial (there's still room to improve) drug testing program in place, the best they can manage is do the right things from this day forward, and the rest takes care of itself in time. Singling out a few isn't really justice to a somewhat tainted era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Because one was seem by everybody on the field. So, people get a few games suspended all the time. This could end Jason's season or career.There is a HUGE difference. As a Yankees fan, I was under the impression his 'career' was already over. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 As a Yankees fan, I was under the impression his 'career' was already over. :doh: But he still gets this years salary, 22 million next, .5 million as part of his differed signing bonus, and the 5 million buyout of his 09 season... ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnick Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 But he still gets this years salary, 22 million next, .5 million as part of his differed signing bonus, and the 5 million buyout of his 09 season... ouch. We have one league where the Commish is showing the players and the world that there are rules, and it doesn't matter if you're a superstar. If you break the rules, you take the hit. Then you have Baseball where its anything goes. Don't take it personally. It has been the roids-era. We all know this. Bonds, or Giambi, or Palmero or whoever will always be viewed as part of this. But, how Bud handled this situation considering how Baseball has falled into a distant 3rd for American's, its pathetic. Even with the NBA ref scandal. I think that league is more legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 But, how Bud handled this situation considering how Baseball has falled into a distant 3rd for American's, its pathetic. Even with the NBA ref scandal. I think that league is more legit. Distant third? Football then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 Now that baseball has a substantial (there's still room to improve) drug testing program in place, the best they can manage is do the right things from this day forward, and the rest takes care of itself in time. Singling out a few isn't really justice to a somewhat tainted era. Maybe not. But it would send a no-nonsense message that says this won't be tolerated even by big stars who play for big market teams. that's got to be worth something, no? ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnick Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Distant third?Football then what? Football is King. Then the NBA. and honestly, I think the MLB takes a back seat to NCAA Hoops and Football also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Football is King.Then the NBA. and honestly, I think the MLB takes a back seat to NCAA Hoops and Football also. Didn't the NBA just have the lowest Finals TV ratings in its history? Baseball is number two (unless you want to count college football). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiLfan Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 is it just me or does bud selig look like stephen hawking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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