Bang Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 :doh: :doh: :doh: What else can be said. By allowing Giambi off the hook, you allow EVERYONE off the hook, you friggin MORON. He can't possibly expect to ever be able to enforce the steroid rules (such as they are) now. Barry Bonds could shoot a needle in his arm at home plate, and Selig won't be able to do a damn thing about it. I've never heard of a guy slicing off his own balls (except that loony in that thread last week.) but Selig has castrated himself and the last shred of credibility baseball had. How do we get this idiot out of the commissioner's office? His complete and total incompetence has sullied the game beyond belief. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 link? out there? http://www.courant.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spgiambi0817,0,5497325.story?coll=hc_entertainment_dining_xpromo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 sorry, thought everyone had heard about this. Giambi escapes punishment from Selig By MIKE FITZPATRICK, AP Baseball Writer August 17, 2007 NEW YORK (AP) -- Relief. That was the look on Jason Giambi's face all afternoon. Wearing a bright-eyed smile stretched across his full cheeks, the New York Yankees star bounced around the field during batting practice Thursday and posed for photos with fans. No wonder. He had plenty to be happy about. Earlier in the day, commissioner Bud Selig announced he won't punish Giambi because of the slugger's charitable work and cooperation with baseball's steroids investigator. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AvRc1Jdzr5Si9.l1.YY8STg5nYcB?slug=ap-selig-giambi&prov=ap&type=lgns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 ok in reading the story i thought he had done enough until i read: giambi said he was doing the charitable work 'before' he was told to cooperate and such... AND: Where is the list of people being taken down due to the testimony/work they did together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 Either way, citing his charity work is BS too. He cheated, he admitted it. And a LOT of players do wonderful charity work and don't cheat. Bud Selig can go straight to hell. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stwasm Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 The thing is, Selig isn't even a "real" commissioner. He owns the Brewers, so there HAS to be some type of conflict of interest in any dealings with the players' union. That sport needs some type of impartial observer, like a Goddell, who will rule it fairly and justly, and get rid of all the crap that is tarnishing sports today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufumonk Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 MLB would have never been in this position if Vincent were still the commissioner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xameil Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 It probably has more to do with him naming names and such, and they are still building an investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Im with Bang on this one. Baseball has lots of problems. Cadillac Bud has done less than nothing to address them. Its a real shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 The thing is, Selig isn't even a "real" commissioner. He owns the Brewers, so there HAS to be some type of conflict of interest in any dealings with the players' union. That sport needs some type of impartial observer, like a Goddell, who will rule it fairly and justly, and get rid of all the crap that is tarnishing sports today. you got THAT right ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 I think part of the issue is that even though it is obvious that Giambi juiced, he has never failed a test. And, unless there was something I missed, he never actually said he took steriods. I know you'd have to be blind idiot to not realize what he is apologizing for - but he still has never actually been busted... just like Bonds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 I think part of the issue is that even though it is obvious that Giambi juiced, he has never failed a test. And, unless there was something I missed, he never actually said he took steriods. I know you'd have to be blind idiot to not realize what he is apologizing for - but he still has never actually been busted... just like Bonds. Well, he did admit it,, sort of. "Giambi has acknowledged a "personal history regarding steroids." He agreed to speak with former Sen. George Mitchell last month after Selig threatened to discipline him if he refused to cooperate." Smoke means fire, y'know? ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 The thing is, Selig isn't even a "real" commissioner. He owns the Brewers, so there HAS to be some type of conflict of interest in any dealings with the players' union. That sport needs some type of impartial observer, like a Goddell, who will rule it fairly and justly, and get rid of all the crap that is tarnishing sports today. He hasn't owned the Brewers in a while. They were sold in 2003 and he had given up controlling interest some time before. Owners want a commissioner that's in their pocket because the MLBPA is ridiculously strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Well, he did admit it,, sort of."Giambi has acknowledged a "personal history regarding steroids." He agreed to speak with former Sen. George Mitchell last month after Selig threatened to discipline him if he refused to cooperate." Smoke means fire, y'know? ~Bang Personally, I think he should be suspended. I'm just trying to point out why he wasn't. Did the word 'steriods' ever come out of Giambi's mouth in way of an admittal... admittance(?)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Personally, I think he should be suspended. I'm just trying to point out why he wasn't. Did the word 'steriods' ever come out of Giambi's mouth in way of an admittal... admittance(?)? I believe it did in the BALCO fed grand jury. He and his less talented brother admitted to using. But as for publicly saying the word steriods? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 He said he has a 'personal history regarding steroids"... I doubt he's a chemist that makes them..so the next logical step is to think he used them. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMURedskins Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 I would like to see him get some kind of punishment. I am sure that the players union would fight it and probably get him out of any type of punishment. The union is way too powerful. I think that one problem that Selig faced is that when Giambi was using, there wasn't much of a steroids policy at all. He wouldn't be able to suspend him under the punishment from the new policy. I would be willing to bet that Selig dangled immunity for Giambi to talk to Mitchell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 I would like to see him get some kind of punishment. I am sure that the players union would fight it and probably get him out of any type of punishment. The union is way too powerful. I think that one problem that Selig faced is that when Giambi was using, there wasn't much of a steroids policy at all. He wouldn't be able to suspend him under the punishment from the new policy.I would be willing to bet that Selig dangled immunity for Giambi to talk to Mitchell He might have. But Giambi better name some names and something better happen, or it's just hogwash. As far as the players union,, maybe I'm wrong about this, but isn't using steroids without prescription a federal drug offense? How this union can BE above the law is a mystery to me. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 He said he has a 'personal history regarding steroids"... I doubt he's a chemist that makes them..so the next logical step is to think he used them.~Bang Like I said, I agree that it is obvious that he did it. I was just wondering if there was 'beyond the shadow of doubt' evidence. I hadn't see the quote you posted. If he said that than, yeah, suspension without a doubt. I, personally, think he should be suspended either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMURedskins Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 As far as the players union,, maybe I'm wrong about this, but isn't using steroids without prescription a federal drug offense? How this union can BE above the law is a mystery to me. That is one thing that weird about this whole situation. It seems like there is so much talk about players cheating the game while not much is said about them breaking the laws. I am shocked that the authorities didn't crack down on this a while ago. I wonder if the government will even punish any of the players who have used steroids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 I thought the biggest problem in baseball is that it's a friggin' boring as hell sport that's about as exciting as watching CSPAN-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnick Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 I do wonder if Giambi was playing for a different team, if this would be the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 I do wonder if Giambi was playing for a different team, if this would be the situation. Why not? They suspended Clemens 5 games for defending one of his teammates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufumonk Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 I thought the biggest problem in baseball is that it's a friggin' boring as hell sport that's about as exciting as watching CSPAN-3. Crazy talk. You couldn't be more wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 Like I said, I agree that it is obvious that he did it. I was just wondering if there was 'beyond the shadow of doubt' evidence. I hadn't see the quote you posted. If he said that than, yeah, suspension without a doubt. I, personally, think he should be suspended either way. Either way, MLB isn't a court of law, and he doesn't need to go beyond a shadow of a doubt. Roger Goodell has already set precedent for him in that regard. His admission is good enough for me. And by doing this, now if Selig ever goes after Bonds it gives all those race baiters a legitimate gripe. He is now completely powerless. (as if he ever had any sack in the first place.) Selig has so royally screwed up baseball, they really ought to just throw him in jail for gross negligence and incompetence. And as far as Clemens, Rince, a pitcher purposely throwing at a guy like that could be construed as assault with a deadly weapon.. he's lucky it wasn't. I agree with his suspension. But, in the face of this, why bother? Let the players do anything they want! Woo hoo! It's a free for all! ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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