Zguy28 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Forum puts Democrats in hot seat over gay issues. By Jill Lawrence, USA TODAYGay questioners put six Democratic presidential candidates on the spot Thursday night on issues ranging from religion and same-sex marriage to whether children should be taught about why some classmates have "two mommies." The unusually relaxed and personal forum, held in a Los Angeles studio that looked like a talk-show set, was sponsored by the Human Rights Campaign (HRC), which advocates for gay rights, and the gay cable network Logo. The questioners, including singer Melissa Etheridge, pulled no punches in trying to make the candidates feel their frustration over their inability to marry and other issues. Most of the Democratic candidates support civil unions but oppose gay marriage. After hearing four contenders, HRC President Joe Solmonese said, "Their reasons for opposing equality in civil marriage tonight became even less clear." Solmonese launched the event by asking Illinois Sen. Barack Obama whether he understood that gay people could see civil unions without marriage as "separate but equal." Obama replied that when his white mother and black father married in the early 1960s, interracial marriages were illegal in some states. "Obviously this is something that I understand intimately," he said. "It's not for me to suggest that you shouldn't be troubled by these issues." But as president, he said, his responsibility would be to make sure gay couples have legal rights. Former North Carolina senator John Edwards said he was wrong to have said in an earlier debate that he opposes same-sex marriage because of his religion, but he did not answer when asked what is at the core of his opposition. New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton got the same question and replied, "I prefer to think of it as being very positive about civil unions." Edwards said he supports teaching about families with "two mommies," as Etheridge put it, because children "can be mean and cruel." Asked what grade that should be taught, he said he didn't know. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, asked whether being gay is a choice or people are born that way, said it's a choice. After the forum, he reversed himself. "I do not believe sexual orientation or gender identity happens by choice," he said in a statement... Full Article here.. I like waffles.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie4redskins Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 :laugh: Democrats are a friggin' joke. If they think the American people are going to vote them into the White House, they're outside of their minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinInsite Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 You are right we are never going to have a democratic president ever again!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 It's significantly harder to pander to the American public and still pretend to be pro-gay marriage than it is to pander to the American public and be obviously homophobic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, asked whether being gay is a choice or people are born that way, said it's a choice. After the forum, he reversed himself. "I do not believe sexual orientation or gender identity happens by choice," he said in a statement... Dang, Bill you almost had me, almost...sigh* Looks like I'm still voting for Tom Dobbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 edwards hand gestures durring that debate looked like he was massaging balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 :laugh: Democrats are a friggin' joke. If they think the American people are going to vote them into the White House, they're outside of their minds. Right we need real leaders like Mit "whatever is popular" Romney or Rudy "still in politics thanks to Al Qaeda" Guliani... the only guy in the political landscape that holds a press conference and people wonder if he's doing it to divorce his wife. Let's not forget the guy known more for his 30 second spot on Law and Order then his political career that can't even decide if he wants to run and is already in money trouble... or the guy that actually wants to bomb Mecca because it seems he wants this to be a holy as badly as Osama does. I can't remember a time before this one where all of the democrat front runners were so far and away better then the competition. No one the GOP is offereing would have had a chance in hell to win the republican nomination in any of the last 6 elections. This year is their only shot because the GOP isn't running anyone serious. Even McCain is far weaker now then he was last time, and his arm movement make him look like a malfunctioning forklift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 How in the hell is "gay" still a ****ing issue. And worse, something to bipartisan bash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnick Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 I thought Mitt's answer on why none of his like 5 sons are serving in Iraq was funny. Because they were serving their country by helping get him elected...... now that's balls right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCsportsfan53 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Unfortunately, we're not at a point in society yet where a candidate can come out and say he has no problems with homosexuality and be taken seriously. The furthest it appears they can go is to say it's a matter of rights, but no one is willing to just come and say what's right. Homosexuals are people like you and me and deserve no less in the way of benefits or status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isle-hawg Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 I can't remember a time before this one where all of the democrat front runners were so far and away better then the competition. No one the GOP is offereing would have had a chance in hell to win the republican nomination in any of the last 6 elections. This year is their only shot because the GOP isn't running anyone serious. Even McCain is far weaker now then he was last time, and his arm movement make him look like a malfunctioning forklift. Democrats far and away better??? Obama may have a chance in open election, but it looks (right now) like Clinton is going to get it the Democratic nomination. She is way too polorizing IMO to win the national election. If she was to win that would make for at least 24 years of a Clinton or Bush as president, haven't we had enough of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie4redskins Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 You are right we are never going to have a democratic president ever again!!! I detect sarcasm. I should rephrase. If the dems keep pandering to the lunatic left fringe of the Democratic party, like this current crop of clowns, uh, I mean, "candidates", the American people will NEVER vote them into the White House. Better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Why can't anybody just say "I don't know, i'm not gay" and take it from there. It's the first step to a solution, that we are making a problem out of. What a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 I thought Mitt's answer on why none of his like 5 sons are serving in Iraq was funny. Because they were serving their country by helping get him elected...... now that's balls right there. Yeah, arrogant POS. And DC53, it'd be nice, but many Americans still fear "teh ghey." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCsportsfan53 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Yeah, arrogant POS. And DC53, it'd be nice, but many Americans still fear "teh ghey." I'm aware. It's a long, long way off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckus Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 I detect sarcasm. I should rephrase. If the dems keep pandering to the lunatic left fringe of the Democratic party, like this current crop of clowns, uh, I mean, "candidates", the American people will NEVER vote them into the White House. Better? So the Democrats are pandering to the “lunatic left fringe” of their base by NOT fully indorsing gay marriage and instead stating more conservative views? Or are all your comments in this thread completely irrelevant to the topic of this thread. This article shows the Democrats pandering to more conservative people instead of just saying “I support homosexual marriage and see no problems with the life style.” If ANYTHING, this makes them look bad for not being far enough left on the issue for their own base. Now you might be referring to other subjects, but I don’t see how that fits into this thread or topic at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ax Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Wonder if the homolesbians will out Hillary if she doesn't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 but many Americans still fear "teh ghey." Problem is that many of us don't "fear" anything of the sort....oh wait I'm trying to reason with your irrational statement. Nevermind, carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCsportsfan53 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 So the Democrats are pandering to the “lunatic left fringe” of their base by NOT fully indorsing gay marriage and instead stating more conservative views? Or are all your comments in this thread completely irrelevant to the topic of this thread.This article shows the Democrats pandering to more conservative people instead of just saying “I support homosexual marriage and see no problems with the life style.” If ANYTHING, this makes them look bad for not being far enough left on the issue for their own base. Now you might be referring to other subjects, but I don’t see how that fits into this thread or topic at all. Just ignore him. He's pretty much allergic to reality, of the AFC ilk. Problem is that many of us don't "fear" anything of the sort....oh wait I'm trying to reason with your irrational statement. Nevermind, carry on. There's nothing irrational about his statement. Many people do fear homosexuality, even though they won't say it. I understand given our different backgrounds that we're going to disagree on the end that we should be striving for in relation to gay marriage but, do you honestly deny that homophobia is rampant in this country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckus Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Do you honestly deny that homophobia is rampant in this country? Homophobia does not exist. People just don’t want them around, or near them, or near their children, or in the neighborhoods, or in their schools, or…… It is simple a funny coincidence that people use the term gay and fag mean lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Now you might be referring to other subjects, but I don’t see how that fits into this thread or topic at all. It doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie4redskins Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 This article shows the Democrats pandering to more conservative people instead of just saying “I support homosexual marriage and see no problems with the life style.” Do you mean before or after they and their strategists spin their comments? :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 It's significantly harder to pander to the American public and still pretend to be pro-gay marriage than it is to pander to the American public and be obviously homophobic. Right. Because everyone in favor of civil unions, but not gay marriage, is a homophobe. Just like everyone opposed to affirmative action is a racist. I swear, libs and their labels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 I am shocked really to find out that most Dem candidates dont support gay marriage outright. I hear often about how the RR will stay home rather than vote for Rudy, the question then becomes, will the gayleft stay home rather than support Hillary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCsportsfan53 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 I am shocked really to find out that most Dem candidates dont support gay marriage outright. I hear often about how the RR will stay home rather than vote for Rudy, the question then becomes, will the gayleft stay home rather than support Hillary? After 8 years with Bush, anyone remotely aware of politics at all with any kind of left lean who doesn't vote is out of their freakin mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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