PleaseBlitz Posted August 2, 2007 Author Share Posted August 2, 2007 Right. And now can you kindly remind us what happened when ND played Michigan Quinn's senior year? If i recall correctly, Michigan handed out a ferocious ass-whipping and Quinn threw 3 bad interceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 The money isnt the point. Anyways, you are a well known Irish nuthugger. Those are big words coming from a Pacman Jones fan:laugh: If ND had any semblance of a defense they would have performed better. It's not like one player can make a difference with the schedule they play. But you wouldn't know about a tough schedule;). You do, afterall, follow WVU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 If i recall correctly, Michigan handed out a ferocious ass-whipping and Quinn threw 3 bad interceptions. Was that before or after the pictures surfaced of Brady grabbing other men's junk? .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Was that before or after the pictures surfaced of Brady grabbing other men's junk?.. whoops forgot the photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I'm from Cleveland, so I know a bit more about him than the national media leaks. He recently made an autograph appearance and charged $75 per autograph. That's outrageous. I just met Ken Shamrock, who has accomplished far more in his sport than Quinn has in his, and he charged $5 for an autograph. I'm no Quinn supporter, other than hoping he is absolutely brilliant if he starts so that the Cowboys will look foolish for passing him up, as well as it helping guarantee the pick the 'Boys get from Cleveland isn't too high lol :laugh:... But seriously, this anti-Quinn BS is nauseating. He charged $75 for his autograph...more likely, Quinn himself had no saying in how much to charge at one of those pro autograph-signing sessions, and whoever DOES set the price (agent, franchise, sponsor, whoever) felt that Cleveland fans would pay that much for the guy's autograph. I'm guessing they were right, because if his autograph was only worth $5 nobody alive would have agreed to pay $75 for it. Not to mention that a HUGE amount of athletes charge that much and more...it's not unusual nor is it a sign of a big ego. If Quinn looks less than impressive at the OTAs, it's "Quinn Sucks!". If our own players look less than impressive at training camp, though, it's "Let's wait at least until preseason before we start panicking...practices don't mean squat, it's how you perform come the regular season". I agree completely with that last statement, and I also apply it to Brady Quinn. Then again, Ryan Leaf looked pretty good in preseason his rookie year, so...lol Quinn's agent and the Browns have not reached an agreement on his contract, and thus he's not reported to camp yet. The media speculates that maybe it's because Quinn wants to be paid like a top 10 player, and it's swallowed whole as bona fide fact, even causing non-Browns fans to vent and rant lol. I remember when Champ Bailey wanted to be paid as if he were taken 5th instead of 7th, and both he AND his agent made no bones about it and said so in press conferences. I've seen the media do WAY too much speculating and reporting it as indisputable fact for me to jump on that bandwagon concerning Quinn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted August 2, 2007 Author Share Posted August 2, 2007 Those are big words coming from a Pacman Jones fan:laugh:If ND had any semblance of a defense they would have performed better. It's not like one player can make a difference with the schedule they play. But you wouldn't know about a tough schedule;). You do, afterall, follow WVU. Yeah, so does East Carolina. Neither team wins those games though. At least we've won bowl games this decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I hate ND, but Quinn is a solid prospect. My wife even thinks he is cute :puke: but I think he is a decent player with a ton of potential for the pro game. Keep in mind, he is just following his agent's advice. Football players are not known to be the best businessmen. It's not like they have to pay attention in class:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted August 2, 2007 Author Share Posted August 2, 2007 I hate ND, but Quinn is a solid prospect. My wife even thinks he is cute :puke: but I think he is a decent player with a ton of potential for the pro game.Keep in mind, he is just following his agent's advice. Football players are not known to be the best businessmen. It's not like they have to pay attention in class:laugh: Ive said before that i think Quinn will be good. That has nothing to do with this. To demand top 10 money as the 22nd pick is ****ing retarded. Even if he is just following Condon's advice, any idiot should realize that its really bad advice. You know what kind of money you get as the 22nd pick? Its not top 10 money, its top 22 money. You ready to pay up on the sig bet your boy Brady lost for you last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidenreich Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 As the driver of the bash Brady Quinn bandwagon, I can't say I'm surprised by this turn of events. When he's carrying a TV to my car at Best Buy in a couple of years, all will be right in the world...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 There is a standard for a "QB premium" and Quinn's agent does have an argument that they don't have to pay first round money next year. But on the other hand, look at how many teams who possibly could have drafted a QB passed on him. Detroit, Minnesota, Atlanta (snicker), Miami, Houston, Green Bay, Jacksonville, etc. I would agree top 10 money is way too much. On that topic, I really don't like the discrepancy in pay between top picks and lower picks. I mean these guys haven't played a down, and they are getting paid as much as top players in the league?! BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 You ready to pay up on the sig bet your boy Brady lost for you last year? Go easy on me:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I mean these guys haven't played a down, and they are getting paid as much as top players in the league?! BS. This is an ongoing problem, and getting worse by the year. Something is going to have to be done about this, and I predict it will happen sooner than later. I could see the league going to a rookie system where the top pick gets 1 million to sign and accelerators for playing time, performance, etc. There is no reason to pay even the top pick any more than that. Than these players will have to earn their paycheck just like everyone else. Picks 1-10 each get $1 mil up front, 11-20 $750K, and so on. It's fool proof for the league, but not so good for the players. How cool would it be to walk into a company 6 months after graduating college and make more than the manager who's been there 20 years:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 If i recall correctly, Michigan handed out a ferocious ass-whipping and Quinn threw 3 bad interceptions. Hey, don't forget the two fumbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Hog Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Brady Quinn is in roughly the same situation Aaron Rodgers of the Packers was - a potential first overall pick that remained undrafted until the early 20s in the first round (Quinn @ #22 overall and Rodgers @ #24 overall). The bottom line is that the Browns have all the leverage in this situation, as a result of the position where Quinn was drafted. Quinn and his agent have two options: sign a deal comparable to that of Aaron Rodgers or sit out and watch the Browns lose 11-13 games on television. Rodgers got a 5 year 7.7 million dollar deal, with 5.4 million in guarantees and escalators written in the contract that could potentially make the deal reach 30 million. Essentially the same contract signed by J.P. Losman, who was drafted at #22 the year before by the Bills. Quinn's best option is to bite the bullet and hope that he gets some escalators like Rodgers and Losman that could bump up the value of the deal. In the end, that's how it should be - prove yourself, then earn your money based on your good play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I can't believe some Redskin fans were actually wanting Joe and the FO to take him at #6 because they were not sure about Jason:rolleyes: The guy is lucky the Browns took him at 22 because he very likely would have fallen into the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passizle Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Why are you being so harsh with Quinn when his agent would be the one who's convincing him to trust him? As grown man, he needs to step up and do the right thing. You cant say, "the devil made me do it" at his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowland Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I'm from Cleveland, so I know a bit more about him than the national media leaks. He recently made an autograph appearance and charged $75 per autograph. That's outrageous. I just met Ken Shamrock, who has accomplished far more in his sport than Quinn has in his, and he charged $5 for an autograph. That's normal. I remember Deangelo Hall charging that down my way when the Falcons drafted him. What it is usually is the promoters pay the player a flat rate to show up and then they charge what they wanna charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skindogger47 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Everybody in the NFL knows Quinn sucks. That's why he dropped as far as Aaron Rogers, who also sucks. The Browns got him because they wanted the hometown poster boy that would generate ticket sales. Well that clock's ticking, sorry Cleveland. At least the Indians are OK. Charlie Weiss is a great coach but shouldn't automatically be considered to be a miracle worker when the only QB that he's really coached to stardom was Tom Brady, but he was already pretty good and had no ego. That's why I love having Campbell because he had Brown and Williams to take the spotlight off him so he has something to prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jthor99 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Quinn and Condon have all the leverage here. The Browns traded away a number one choice next year for this guy, and they also want him to become the face of the franchise. The Browns really don't have much leverage in the negoication process with Quinn. At this point, it would be smart for them to pony up and strike a deal to get him into camp. The Browns proably arent going anywhere this season , so by midseason for Coach Crennel gets canned they need to put the kid in and see what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCranon21 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I think he is a giant douche! He needs to be paid like the 22nd pick. I have heard from several sports sources that he wants to be paid like a top 10 pick.They really need a rookie cap! I've been saying this for years. They really, really need a rookie cap in the NFL, because these 1st rd. holdouts are getting ridiculous :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSkins Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 As grown man, he needs to step up and do the right thing. You cant say, "the devil made me do it" at his age. "I can get you top 10 money, just give it time." "OK" It's not that hard to fathom. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidenreich Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Quinn and Condon have all the leverage here. The Browns traded away a number one choice next year for this guy, and they also want him to become the face of the franchise. The Browns really don't have much leverage in the negoication process with Quinn. You're crazy. Quinn's only leverage is "I should have been a top 10 pick because Mel Kiper told me so." The Browns actually have all the leverage. If they didn't trade up, Quinn would have fell to the second round. Then this holdout would look even more ridiculous. There's no way in hell the Browns pony up. An incentive laden deal is fine, but there's no way Quinn should get a huge signing bonus. I've been saying this for years. They really, really need a rookie cap in the NFL, because these 1st rd. holdouts are getting ridiculous :doh: There's a slotting system in place. Each pick gets a little more than the same pick got last year. That's where you start your negotiations. Most of these players aren't total douchebags out for every last cent. Quinn is an exception. It's pretty clear that he knows he can't cut it, so he needs to cash in now when it's his only chance. If he had faith in his ability, he'd sign an incentive deal (the norm at 22) & get his sorry ass into camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I heard they were arguing over escalators in the latter years of the contract - Quinn wants escalators in for the latter years of the contract that bump him up to top 10 money if he's starting and playing well, or something like that. That being said, if this is true, and he does end up getting paid like a top 10 pick, it sets a dangerous precedent. Now not only will daisy-fresh rooks in the top 10 be making ridiculous money, daisy-fresh rookies who were projected in the top 10 will be making ridiculous money. The need for a slotted system has never been more apparent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorcoreskin Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 He wants to get big money now because he knows that he'll stink it up in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmonkforHOF Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Im calling it right now, whenever his first NFL contract is up, 4 or 5 yers from now, he will sign with the Toronto Argonauts of the CFL with the belief he will be the #1 starter, only to find out the Argos also signed Marcus Allens younger brother Damon out of retirement at a ripe age of 49. Quinn will drop to #3 on the depth chart and will demand a trade to either the Edmonton eskimos or Calgary Stampeders where he can find off season counter help work at McDonald's for $15/hour. Here's to getting used to 3 downs and 12 defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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