HateYanksDukeCowboys Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 my gut says that rogers breaks out this year and we see why our personnel had him rated higher than pacman jones and the other corner who went high that year (forgetting his name) my heart wants to see smoot as our version of jeremiah trotter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoItAllRS Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I think that Springs/Rogers will be the starters. Rogers had a broken hand last year so get off his back about he can't catch. You'll are killing me everytime I hear someone say that. Rogers is a very good cover corner and can tackle. He shut Steve Smith down last year. I need not say more. Smoot will be the #3. But I can see some instances were Springs will be over the slot man or the #3 corner spot for blitzing purposes. Other than that Springs/Rogers will be the starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Pease Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 There will be a competition for the spot during training camp, and our coaches will play the best man for the job. IMO I would play Rogers in 4-3, because he is a good cb in run support (or atleast better than Smooot). As far as when we are in Nickel and Dime, I would like to see Smoot at #2 because IMO he is a better cover corner than Rogers and will break up more big pass plays. This will allow Rogers to play Nickel against worst receivers as then he is used to, which I believe will help him gain confidence and progress in his coverage ability. Just my 2. This is exactly what I was going to say. I hope that Carlos will develop into a really good cover guy; but from what I remember of Fred he is the better in man-to-man coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant15fromNJ Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I see Springs starting and a battle with smoot and c los for #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 It's really a travesty you guys don't like Rogers. He hasn't earned this badmouthing. You're all so loving of Smoot, but regardless of factors that might have determined his play, he was one of the WORST CORNERS in the league. You blame Carlos for us not beating Seattle and winning it all in 05. The point is, we wouldn't have won it all, not with an injured Brunell. Stop blaming him. He is a good corner. You point out that he gave up a lot of big plays. So did SEAN TAYLOR. NOT MANY CORNERS CAN PLAY W/O a PASS RUSH AND A DEPLETED SECONDARY. STOP BLAMING CARLOS OR ANYONE. FOOTBALL IS A TEAM GAME AND WE SUCKED EVERYWHERE. Smoot SUCKED so bad he got benched for a rookie. People say...... oh he wasn't playing in a scheme that suited his strengths. He isn't a cover 2 corner. It wasn't fair, so because we like Smoot, he should get to start over Carlos. Carlos was playing on a ****ty defense. Nearly the WORST in the ENTIRE nfl. Ok, yes, he does drop interceptions, but he's great against the run (Which is important in Williams scheme, and something that Smoot sucks at), and he has shown flashes of shutting down some of the dominant receivers in the league. Give Carlos a chance to grow. We have to. He is probably the future #1 cornerback of the Redskins and he needs on field playing time to develop into that. And because Springs won't be here next season, it is imperative that he develops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySkin21 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Carlos will remain the 2nd corner because he is over-all better over smmot IMO> He hits better, is faster , and is bigger, smoot can catch better though. But i can't stand the trash people talk about rogers, he will soon be a pro-bowl cb. He just needs steady production from the whole defense, and not ot just rely it on one player.(as all great cb's have= defensive production) It's now one player that lets the secondary sink to what ours did last year. And he's still young. I'm anxious and happy to see him improve and prove people wrong this year. I want his jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySkin21 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 It's really a travesty you guys don't like Rogers. He hasn't earned this badmouthing.You're all so loving of Smoot, but regardless of factors that might have determined his play, he was one of the WORST CORNERS in the league. You blame Carlos for us not beating Seattle and winning it all in 05. The point is, we wouldn't have won it all, not with an injured Brunell. Stop blaming him. He is a good corner. You point out that he gave up a lot of big plays. So did SEAN TAYLOR. NOT MANY CORNERS CAN PLAY W/O a PASS RUSH AND A DEPLETED SECONDARY. STOP BLAMING CARLOS OR ANYONE. FOOTBALL IS A TEAM GAME AND WE SUCKED EVERYWHERE. Smoot SUCKED so bad he got benched for a rookie. People say...... oh he wasn't playing in a scheme that suited his strengths. He isn't a cover 2 corner. It wasn't fair, so because we like Smoot, he should get to start over Carlos. Carlos was playing on a ****ty defense. Nearly the WORST in the ENTIRE nfl. Ok, yes, he does drop interceptions, but he's great against the run (Which is important in Williams scheme, and something that Smoot sucks at), and he has shown flashes of shutting down some of the dominant receivers in the league. Give Carlos a chance to grow. We have to. He is probably the future #1 cornerback of the Redskins and he needs on field playing time to develop into that. And because Springs won't be here next season, it is imperative that he develops. Amen.:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD5 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 It's really a travesty you guys don't like Rogers. He hasn't earned this badmouthing.You're all so loving of Smoot, but regardless of factors that might have determined his play, he was one of the WORST CORNERS in the league. You blame Carlos for us not beating Seattle and winning it all in 05. The point is, we wouldn't have won it all, not with an injured Brunell. Stop blaming him. He is a good corner. You point out that he gave up a lot of big plays. So did SEAN TAYLOR. NOT MANY CORNERS CAN PLAY W/O a PASS RUSH AND A DEPLETED SECONDARY. STOP BLAMING CARLOS OR ANYONE. FOOTBALL IS A TEAM GAME AND WE SUCKED EVERYWHERE. Smoot SUCKED so bad he got benched for a rookie. People say...... oh he wasn't playing in a scheme that suited his strengths. He isn't a cover 2 corner. It wasn't fair, so because we like Smoot, he should get to start over Carlos. Carlos was playing on a ****ty defense. Nearly the WORST in the ENTIRE nfl. Ok, yes, he does drop interceptions, but he's great against the run (Which is important in Williams scheme, and something that Smoot sucks at), and he has shown flashes of shutting down some of the dominant receivers in the league. Give Carlos a chance to grow. We have to. He is probably the future #1 cornerback of the Redskins and he needs on field playing time to develop into that. And because Springs won't be here next season, it is imperative that he develops. Great Post. You are right on 100%, which is rare for you. The only thing I would disagree with is that Rogers is good against the run. Rogers sucks against the run....and avoids contact whenever possible. If you want to see a guy doing anything he could to avoid any type of physical contact, watch Rogers against Tampa last season. It was embarrassing. At the end of every running play, where Sean Taylor would make several repeated tackles in a row, Rogers would show up 2 seconds after the play was over...then throw his hands in the air as if to say, "Man, two seconds earlier and I would have killed that guy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aghar Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 It's really a travesty you guys don't like Rogers. He hasn't earned this badmouthing.You're all so loving of Smoot, but regardless of factors that might have determined his play, he was one of the WORST CORNERS in the league. You blame Carlos for us not beating Seattle and winning it all in 05. The point is, we wouldn't have won it all, not with an injured Brunell. Stop blaming him. He is a good corner. You point out that he gave up a lot of big plays. So did SEAN TAYLOR. NOT MANY CORNERS CAN PLAY W/O a PASS RUSH AND A DEPLETED SECONDARY. STOP BLAMING CARLOS OR ANYONE. FOOTBALL IS A TEAM GAME AND WE SUCKED EVERYWHERE. Smoot SUCKED so bad he got benched for a rookie. People say...... oh he wasn't playing in a scheme that suited his strengths. He isn't a cover 2 corner. It wasn't fair, so because we like Smoot, he should get to start over Carlos. Carlos was playing on a ****ty defense. Nearly the WORST in the ENTIRE nfl. Ok, yes, he does drop interceptions, but he's great against the run (Which is important in Williams scheme, and something that Smoot sucks at), and he has shown flashes of shutting down some of the dominant receivers in the league. Give Carlos a chance to grow. We have to. He is probably the future #1 cornerback of the Redskins and he needs on field playing time to develop into that. And because Springs won't be here next season, it is imperative that he develops. Well said. A breath of fresh air! :applause: :point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsmith2003 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 There will be a competition for the spot during training camp, and our coaches will play the best man for the job. IMO I would play Rogers in 4-3, because he is a good cb in run support (or atleast better than Smooot). As far as when we are in Nickel and Dime, I would like to see Smoot at #2 because IMO he is a better cover corner than Rogers and will break up more big pass plays. This will allow Rogers to play Nickel against worst receivers as then he is used to, which I believe will help him gain confidence and progress in his coverage ability. Just my 2. Totally agree with this assessment, and hope it to be the case... Smoot is better cover man than Rogers, but Rogers is better in run support and less fragile than smoot. sub Smoot in on 4-3 to keep both Rogers/Springs fresh and move Rogers to nickel/dime in passing situations.... Got to love our options there, let us not forget Macklin and Butler will help push these guys to play at their very best also... And should Springs go down (cross your fingers) we will be prepared to back it up this year HAIL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySkin21 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 actually, carlos is a very physical corner and doesn't "avoid contact".. he can lay good hits on players, he's not a shy hitting cb, he is better at run support actually than zone but is great in man to man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davethegolfguy Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Smoot will be the nickle which you will see alot of. By the way, Lloyd who is the chick with the big shaky tits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 there is intense pressure within the organization for Rogers to live up to his lofty draft status, but there is the realistic possibility that Smoot wins the #2 job with a strong camp and preseason. that would not rule out Rogers coming on during the season and regaining the job, however. I am not saying that Rogers has necessarily lost the spot in the coaches eyes, just a hunch that Smoot will play some good football now that he is back in a town where he is a favorite of the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzafied Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 carlos is a much better run stopper than smoooootie. so he'll probably see more time. but they'll both be on the field a ton anyways. I think they're both great corners. carlos' rookie season and smooooot's 2004 season (his last one with us)...think back for a second... that's how they perform when it's is one-on-one, man to man defense. they're cover corners, not zone, have-to-think-and-remember-where-I'm-supposed-to-be-when-I-barely-heard-the-play corners. Smoooootie is pure quick twitch muscles, instinct, speed, and heart, combined with great technique. Carlos can hit, but he's also got the athletic talent to cover anyone. He was drafted number 9 for a reason. He, like Laron and JC, started all for 4 years in the SEC... that's extremely impressive. That's semi-pro ball right there and they had the talent to start early and often. HAIL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySkin21 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 carlos is a much better run stopper than smoooootie. so he'll probably see more time. but they'll both be on the field a ton anyways.I think they're both great corners. carlos' rookie season and smooooot's 2004 season (his last one with us)...think back for a second... that's how they perform when it's is one-on-one, man to man defense. they're cover corners, not zone, have-to-think-and-remember-where-I'm-supposed-to-be-when-I-barely-heard-the-play corners. Smoooootie is pure quick twitch muscles, instinct, speed, and heart, combined with great technique. Carlos can hit, but he's also got the athletic talent to cover anyone. He was drafted number 9 for a reason. He, like Laron and JC, started all for 4 years in the SEC... that's extremely impressive. That's semi-pro ball right there and they had the talent to start early and often. HAIL! Thank you! Plus people forget how young he is. It's not like he has no upside or has done nothing for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortisAllTheWay Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Carlos Rogers has been steadily improving since we drafted him... People expect top 10 draft choices to produce right away, but the fact of the matter is that playing CB in the NFL, you have to go against some of the best athletes in the game every sunday. Had he been the #2 corner or the nickel corner last year, people would have praised his play. He did miss opportunities to make game-changing plays last year, but so did the rest of the D. Now that our defensive backfield has great depth, and we're healthy up front, his coverage should be much improved, along with the obvious #1 corner experience he gained last season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alaadin123 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Great Post. You are right on 100%, which is rare for you. The only thing I would disagree with is that Rogers is good against the run. Rogers sucks against the run....and avoids contact whenever possible. If you want to see a guy doing anything he could to avoid any type of physical contact, watch Rogers against Tampa last season. It was embarrassing. At the end of every running play, where Sean Taylor would make several repeated tackles in a row, Rogers would show up 2 seconds after the play was over...then throw his hands in the air as if to say, "Man, two seconds earlier and I would have killed that guy." Th e reason he always got there after the play ended was because he played 10-15 yds off the receiver, He gave more cushion than a LAZYBOY, personally, it makes me question his speed and the entire defense last year played like there hands were covered in baby-oil, even when they had the guy he managed to shake the tackles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onnie007 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I think the idea is for them to be interchangeable. Perhaps the preseason games will decide who is the No. 2 for the season opener. But I have full confidence and so do the coaches that their No. 3 will be just as good as the No. 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySkin21 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 it just makes more sense to have smoot covering the slot receiver and rogers covering the 2 wr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colesfan05 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 It seemed to me that Smoot was playing with the 1st string more often than carlos was on tuesday at camp. I don't necessarily think this is the indication of who is winning the battle for #2, as I think they both are getting playing time with the 1st string. just wanted to let you know what I saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodiesel#44 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 carlos is better against the run, and he needs to grow, so most likely he'll be the #2. smoot will play a ton though, we'll probably have a lot of nickel stuff going on with all 3 of them.and springs will miss time as usual, so smoot/rogers as the two corners isnt too far off. Yes, and Macklin at nickel if Springs is hurt. I think Carlos will suprise people this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 The only thing I would disagree with is that Rogers is good against the run. Rogers sucks against the run....and avoids contact whenever possible. I'm going to have to disagree with you there. If anything, that's his strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I'm going to have to disagree with you there. If anything, that's his strength. The boy can hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rskins06 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Go out and let them compete for the #2 spot. The great thing is, both of them are capable of succeeding. It is a win win situation with either one them starting at #2 and the other #3. We finally have REAL depth at the CB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswerdlw Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 OK, I see that Rogers, Springs, and Smoot are the top corners. Macklin and Butler back them up. Does that leave room on the roster for Jimoh? Westbrook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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