Henry Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 No one said it wasn't. Well, since I've been misinterpreting everything today, maybe you can tell me what the point of this thread is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 What's your point Koolblue? That some people voluntarily use implants for convenience? I knew that already. In fact, I thought of mentioning that people already did this stuff as my example, but since it's not widespread in the US I didn't think it relevant. I just think this is a road we should not travel as opposed to waiting until we all agree it's gone to far. Putting chips in people to moniter them isn't how a free person works. It'll happen like everything else, under the flag of security. People will end up asking to put them in thier children or themselves to be safe. Kissinger was quoted in a conversation with Russo(pre loon) that the point was to get them into everybody so when needed, they could just "turn them off". It's bad enough my cell phone is recording my conversations, even when it's off and every key stroke on my computer is being monitered. Putting a chip into people or even animals, isn't the actions of a free society. Sell it any way you want, it still stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Well, since I've been misinterpreting everything today, maybe you can tell me what the point of this thread is. I think it is obvious: Concerns for some type microchips being implanted into the body of humans. I don't think any of us are anti-technology. I am am, after all, an IT professional, so technology unto itself is the least of my concern. It is the abuse of technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborneskins Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Um - because they were shipped out BY the military for additional training and aren't being given a chance to even say "See ya!" before they are shipped to Iraq. Just like my nephew wasn't issued a combat knife, so I had to give him my Kabar. And he didn't have proper strapping for his SAW, so his family had to provide that was well. In fact, more the one person in his unit wasn't provided with proper gear that they had to purchase. Keep in mind that he is in the Maryland Army National Guard. I know that it is the National Guard, but something tells me that he knew he was leaving, and had time to say goodbye. Also, are they leaving out of NJ? Not all MOS's need Combat knives, and yes, we all know that the National Guard's supply system sucks as far as getting thier guys gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I know that it is the National Guard, but something tells me that he knew he was leaving, and had time to say goodbye. Also, are they leaving out of NJ? Not all MOS's need Combat knives, and yes, we all know that the National Guard's supply system sucks as far as getting thier guys gear. Yes, I believe they are leaving out of NJ (or in that area). Actually, he has been away in NJ for weeks, and for probably three months by now. I dunno: seeing the large amounts of pork that is spent, and reading how over $2 trillion is missing from DoD accounting, it would be nice if my nephew could receive a damn knife, proper weapon slinging, and chance to see his family before he is shipped. And the bus rental costs $5,000 for his unit. All I can think about is the huge amounts of money - millions and millions - that Halliburton and KBR have over-charged the government and how $5,000 can't even be spent for a unit going off to war. Every time a war profiteer makes some unduly amounts of money, it takes away from our soldiers. And every time a pork barrel project is launched, it takes away from our guys and girls in the field for the gear that they really need just to be war fighters. I hope those folks who support Halliburton, even when they are ripping us off, realize that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I think it is obvious: Concerns for some type microchips being implanted into the body of humans.I don't think any of us are anti-technology. I am am, after all, an IT professional, so technology unto itself is the least of my concern. It is the abuse of technology. You aren't anti-technology, but you are anti-THIS technology? Am I mis-interpreting you? That's what it sounds like to me. As I said before, plenty of existing technology can be potentially abused or misused. That's not a reason to not research something. Hell, Koolblue here is worried about keystrokes and cell phone monitoring. I'm starting to think we should have just stopped in 1985. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 You aren't anti-technology, but you are anti-THIS technology? Am I mis-interpreting you? That's what it sounds like to me.As I said before, plenty of existing technology can be potentially abused or misused. That's not a reason to not research something. Hell, Koolblue here is worried about keystrokes and cell phone monitoring. I'm starting to think we should have just stopped in 1985. I believe this technology can have its uses. So, no, I am not against this technology, per se. It am sure it can probably be used for a great deal of positive benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 You aren't anti-technology, but you are anti-THIS technology? Am I mis-interpreting you? That's what it sounds like to me.As I said before, plenty of existing technology can be potentially abused or misused. That's not a reason to not research something. Hell, Koolblue here is worried about keystrokes and cell phone monitoring. I'm starting to think we should have just stopped in 1985. I'm worried about not being free. I don't want to be ruled, just left alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switchgear Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 It's bad enough my cell phone is recording my conversations, even when it's off and every key stroke on my computer is being monitered. Putting a chip into people or even animals, isn't the actions of a free society. Sell it any way you want, it still stinks. If you seriously believe that about your cellphone and computer, why do you even have them? Is someone making you use them? As for soldiers getting these, I'd be all for it being voluntary. It's supposed to be a way of helping doctors in the field get a better idea of what is going on inside of someone who is wounded. If someone who is putting their life on the line doesn't want that advantage it seems fair to me to let them do without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Will the military remove the chips when thier enlistment is up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Bad thought just occurred to me: Anybody here completely certain that, 20 years from now, somebody won't figure out how to use that technology against us? Pringle's can, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwyl Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 There seems to be a disconnect between what the article says and what clemson's site says: Pentagon to implant microchips in soldiers' brains These biochips will be temporarily injected/implanted into a skeletal muscle bed such as the deltoid muscle Where do they get the idea that the microchips will be implanted in soldier's brains? Also: Our goal is to develop an implantable lactate-sensing biochip for temporary implantation and capable of telemetered reporting of local lactate levels as well as local glucose levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 If you seriously believe that about your cellphone and computer, why do you even have them? Is someone making you use them? Ah, the old "why don't you marry it response". Good stuff and as far as believing it.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS5SFGZ-1h4&mode=related&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIq6C0OlvWI&mode=related&search= But this is another topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I got out just in time... From what i've heard the chip would have been bigger/smarter than me and would have taken over. And the zombie soldiers ALWAYS die.... Always... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 No, see zoony, in Ken-world, anything the government uses technology for must be evil. They will use this technology to inject mind control devices directly into our brains and turn us into a nation of American Idol watching soda drinking sheep and then fly planes into buildings so that we'll go to war in Iraq. It all makes perfect sense.Dude, that already happened.Seriously, I guess its better than getting put in a car and being shot with an Electromagnetic Pulse while your driving down a test field. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Bad thought just occurred to me: Anybody here completely certain that, 20 years from now, somebody won't figure out how to use that technology against us? Pringle's can, anyone? We're already so far down that rabbit hole it really doesn't matter anymore. Big Brother is here, and all the evil he is capable of is simply waiting to be used. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switchgear Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 If you seriously believe that about your cellphone and computer, why do you even have them? Is someone making you use them? Ah, the old "why don't you marry it response". Good stuff and as far as believing it.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS5SFGZ-1h4&mode=related&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIq6C0OlvWI&mode=related&search= But this is another topic. I just asked why you still use them if you feel they are compromised. I'm not advocating a "Unabomber" lifestyle, but it's possible to go through life still without using either cell phone or internet. If you'd just rather not do without them, then you are making the choice that the possible loss of privacy is outweighed by convenience. But no one is forcing you to use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 If you seriously believe that about your cellphone and computer, why do you even have them? Is someone making you use them?As for soldiers getting these, I'd be all for it being voluntary. It's supposed to be a way of helping doctors in the field get a better idea of what is going on inside of someone who is wounded. If someone who is putting their life on the line doesn't want that advantage it seems fair to me to let them do without. It has nothing to do with "believing", the CIA/FBI have said they do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 I just asked why you still use them if you feel they are compromised. I'm not advocating a "Unabomber" lifestyle, but it's possible to go through life still without using either cell phone or internet. If you'd just rather not do without them, then you are making the choice that the possible loss of privacy is outweighed by convenience. But no one is forcing you to use them. No one is forcing us to use it, but they shouldn't have the right to do warrantless wiretaps. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborneskins Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Yes, I believe they are leaving out of NJ (or in that area).Actually, he has been away in NJ for weeks, and for probably three months by now. I dunno: seeing the large amounts of pork that is spent, and reading how over $2 trillion is missing from DoD accounting, it would be nice if my nephew could receive a damn knife, proper weapon slinging, and chance to see his family before he is shipped. And the bus rental costs $5,000 for his unit. All I can think about is the huge amounts of money - millions and millions - that Halliburton and KBR have over-charged the government and how $5,000 can't even be spent for a unit going off to war. I understand your frustration regarding this. However, that is the nature of the beast. The military moved his unit to NJ for training, and subsequent deployment, they are not responsible for getting him back to his family before he goes overseas. He gets paid (and leave) for that. It would be like you taking vacation from your job and asking your company to pay for your trip. As far as getting a combat knife, I have been 3 times, not once did I get issued a combat knife. I did BUY my own however, but like I stated earlier, a Combat knife is not a necessity for ALL military occupations. YES, he should have been issued a sling for his SAW, why he didn't I dont know. And as far as seing his family before he leaves, what is to stop you guys from taking the short drive up to NJ to see him off? More than likely, they are awaiting "official" orders to go, and those can come down anytime. I do understand your frustration, trust me, I have been on both sides of this issue. But I do not see where the military is responsible for paying for his unit to take leave to go home to see family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 No one is forcing us to use it, but they shouldn't have the right to do warrantless wiretaps.Period. I agree. However, that's a seperate issue. The issue we are talking about is whether or not the technology should exist at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Look, it's not nearly as bad as the Enhanced Soldier Program where they inject them with promycin and half of them die..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 I agree. However, that's a seperate issue. The issue we are talking about is whether or not the technology should exist at all. To me, and correct me if I'm wrong, but listening to conversations on Cell phones without a Warrant, is the root of the problem. Not that it is the technologies fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 Look, it's not nearly as bad as the Enhanced Soldier Program where they inject them with promycin and half of them die..... Your right. The atrocieties committed against our soldiers are long. This is just another that will not be this "noble" thing they are portraying it as. BTW, this is already happening. Can't prove it, but I promise that it is being used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I agree. However, that's a seperate issue. The issue we are talking about is whether or not the technology should exist at all. I didn't think thats what we were talking about. The technology is fine, it's used in most of the clothing you buy, I'm fine with that as long as it removable. I thought we were talking about IF it should be used. If it was something that would be removed after the term of service is complete, I think it would be a good thing for our soldiers. I see no way it's good for our citizens and thats where the the(my) troubles come from. If we put chips in our soldiers, our pets, our children, the rest of the public will be next. The national ID card is just about here, is it realy that far of a cry away from carring the card under your skin if it's sold out of convinence and safety? Once down this road, the lines will surely be blurred. I think if this exact same thread was started 6 or 7 months ago, everybody would have simpily called the OP a "loon"(even if it wasn't Ken or I) and moved on. It wouldn't have gone two pages, now it's slowly becoming a heated discussion. That should make it a little more worrisome and prove the reality of the chip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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