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On the draft, Joe Gibbs, and the future of the Washington Redskins.


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I try not to get sucked into the annual pre-draft hype given my yearly attempt to focus on beating my addiction to pro football during the offseason. I try and think about my Braves or the NBA playoffs or Champions League soccer or whatever sport might fill the void left by the NFL during the dog-days of spring but my addiction always seems to get the better of me as I scan Extremeskins and the bevy of insider draft websites for information that will make my opinion seemingly more well-informed. Wasnt so hard last season without a first round pick, but this year....oy vey. As they say, resistance is futile. So without rambling on anymore here are my thoughts on this year's draft and the rest of Joe Gibbs' tenure as head coach.

3 years ago Joe Gibbs signed on for another 5 year run through his old stomping grounds sending Redskin nation into a state of temporary euphoria. As the 2007 draft approaches, the yearly debate on who should be the next Redskin star is in full swing. Several names have been thrown out in conjunction with the Redskins, their needs, and the #6 pick. Schools of thought on how the draft should go for Gibbs, Dan Snyder, and the boys vary widely. Okoye is the young stud with the most upside. Anderson is the sleek pass rusher with tantalizing size. Branch is the big body senior whose been in the middle of one of the best college defenses in the country. Landry is the hard hitting intimidator with playmaking ball skills. Adams is the freakishly quick pass rush specialist. Johnson is the forbidden fruit: out of reach without selling the farm but so good he might be worth it. Trading down seems to be the sensible choice if it is made available given the Redskins yearly dearth of first day picks. Indeed, as another poster (forgive me for forgetting who) said, the six pick in this draft is indeed a conundrum.

Given the limited amount of time Joe Gibbs has left as a head coach, I think it most prudent this year to target those picks that will have the most impact in the next two years. Many people will say that this line of thought is wrong, that building for the long term is the way you make champions but rebuilding Joe Gibbs' team is a job for the next head coach. Gibbs has a responsibility to maximize whatever window he has right now to field a serious contender for the next two seasons. There are three players in this draft capable of significantly contributing next year: Calvin Johnson, Alan Branch, and Laron Landry.

Laron Landry is a stud safety. He has been a four year starter at one of the premier defensive college programs in the country and is considered by many to be the best defensive player in this draft regardless of position. That being said, it is not the best decision right now to pair Sean Taylor with a rookie in the defensive backfield. I do not support drafting Laron Landry with the #6 pick.

Alan Branch is the defensive player I think who would have the biggest impact on the Redskins defense next year. His size and strength would greatly improve the run defense. Branch has the type of size to occupy blockers in the middle allowing London Fletcher the space he needs to roam sideline to sideline and make tackles like he is supposed to. Branch can also collapse the pocket on passing downs or contribute to stunts from the outside by preventing guards from pinching inside. Amobi Okoye may have the most upside, but being only 20 years old is as much a question mark as it is a positive when it comes to the Redskins. How much can a 20 year old rookie DT who barely weighs 300 pounds contribute to the run defense in the immediate future?

Calvin Johnson is the best player in this draft...period. His combination of physical ability and off field character is unrivaled. Without question the ability to line him up opposite Santana Moss is something Jason Campbell covets. The addition of Johnson would do more for the offense than any player in the draft could do for the defense. Not only would Johnson's impact be immediate (especially in the redzone) his upside is unlimited and ideally he would have the chance to grow with Jason Campbell after Joe Gibbs' hangs up his whistle for the last time. I am a little uncomfortable with the Redskins giving up draft picks next year to move up and get CJ, but if they can find a way to get him I am confident that they could find a way to get whatever player they covet in next year's first round. In a sick, twisted way, the Redskins benefit from not having first round picks because they get the option of moving into the first and taking a player or not by using picks from the next season.

The only two players I would feel entirely comfortable with the Redskins drafting in the first round are Alan Branch and Calvin Johnson. Trading down and getting Branch is ideal in his case as he seems to be sliding down draft boards (I suspect someone in an NFL front office is floating ideas that would cause this so that he may slide to said FO executive's team...just my :2cents: ). If the Redskins should trade back and not be able to get Branch, I think Justin Harrell is the next best choice because of his size and talent at the DT spot. Adam Carriker could also provide a nice complement opposite Andre Carter but I think Carter's effectiveness as a pass rusher can be best maximized by a big talented body in the middle of the line. Conversely, I think Santana Moss' ability can be maximized by lining up a big talented body on the other side of the field; not to mention the ability to line up ARE in the slot where his versatility can best be utilized by Al Saunders. Both Branch and Johnson are the keys in this draft to unlocking the potential of the defense and offense respectively.

That's my position heading into the draft.

Hail Skins-

Jethro

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I agree completely, but today's presser didn't sound like they don't want a DT. Alan Branch would reform our defense.

I think Snyder and the boys were pretty guarded about who they are targeting but I also think that Alan Branch is the player Gibbs was talking about when he said that they changed their tune on what kind of person he was and how coachable he could be.

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]']After looking over this draft' date=' I really want to trade down and pick up Brandon Merriweather and Anthony Spencer/Jarvis Moss.[/quote']

I have been thinking this for a while too. People are so caught up in the hype of the projected top 10 players, but don't realise there are potentially better players not being mentioned. I have watched games of both Gaines Adams and Jarvis Moss. I have seen clips of Jamaal Anderson too. I personally do not see anything to prove that either Jamaal Anderson or Gaines Adams is better than Jarvis Moss. Watching Mosss, he reminds me a lot of Javon Kearse, and not just because he is a Florida guy.

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I am telling you if we want branch we can't trade down to far or he and Okoye will be gone.

Branch is many mocks now is a late first rounder, no player has really dropped more on the boards then him, so you never know. He's been off Kiper's top 25 player ranking now for the last 4 times in a row.

They where talking about him the other day on NFL Network their thought was the Bengals pick him, if I recall they are around the 18th pick.

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This is why Vinney C is the problem...

"When you're picking sixth, the biggest thing you don't want to do is draft for need," Cerrato said. "What you want to get at that pick is an impact guy, no matter the position. To take somebody of need that may go 15th or 18th instead of sixth is not smart." - vinney C - from todays washingington times

So let me get this straight... If you are stacked at RB, he would draft a RB just because he is the best talent available at the time... Yeah, that makes sense... If the guy is going to go at 15th or 18th, you trade down to 15th or 18th and take him there. What a moron.. You don't blow your high draft pick on a postion your stacked at... They really need to stop playing fantasy football at Redskins Park and start picking a team of all around solid players.

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So let me get this straight... If you are stacked at RB, he would draft a RB just because he is the best talent available at the time... Yeah, that makes sense... If the guy is going to go at 15th or 18th, you trade down to 15th or 18th and take him there. What a moron.. You don't blow your high draft pick on a postion your stacked at... They really need to stop playing fantasy football at Redskins Park and start picking a team of all around solid players.

No, what he's saying is that you shouldn't reach for a player just because he plays a position where you have a need. That's really all he was saying there.

Course if a player is a signifigant improvement over what you have at a position, it would still be a good choice, even if you are stacked there. That is the argument of the "Draft CJ" people.

Jason

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The addition of Johnson would do more for the offense than any player in the draft could do for the defense. Not only would Johnson's impact be immediate (especially in the redzone) his upside is unlimited and ideally he would have the chance to grow with Jason Campbell after Joe Gibbs' hangs up his whistle for the last time.

That right there is what I have believed this entire time, well put.

He is so much better at his position than any of the defenders in this draft, I think it's time we start thinking more about actual talent than need. Many of the guys we're talking about taking with the #6 are not #6 worthy. CJ would be a top prospect to go 1, 2, or 3 in almost any draftclass.

Hail and lets bring home CJ.

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So let me get this straight... If you are stacked at RB, he would draft a RB just because he is the best talent available at the time... Yeah, that makes sense... If the guy is going to go at 15th or 18th, you trade down to 15th or 18th and take him there. What a moron.. You don't blow your high draft pick on a postion your stacked at... They really need to stop playing fantasy football at Redskins Park and start picking a team of all around solid players.

please tell me you're not implying that we're stacked at WR.

Having 4 #3 WR's does not make us stacked at that position.

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Hi Longshot ... I'm a "Draft CJ people" and I don't make that argument. My pitch is that the Skins lack a legitimate No. 2 receiver and until they get one they will have difficulty maxing out the offense and becoming dominant offensively. Without a legitimate No. 2 receiver we do not have legitimate No. 1 receiver! CJ clearly fills a need and a serious one at that.

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]']After looking over this draft' date=' I really want to trade down and pick up Brandon Merriweather and Anthony Spencer/Jarvis Moss.[/quote']

Merriweather has character issues (shot someone- self defense they claim), and I don't think he fits our defensive scheme. We don't need another Sean Taylor we need someone who can cover so Sean can get his nose in there.

Branch is many mocks now is a late first rounder, no player has really dropped more on the boards then him, so you never know. He's been off Kiper's top 25 player ranking now for the last 4 times in a row.

They where talking about him the other day on NFL Network their thought was the Bengals pick him, if I recall they are around the 18th pick.

Yes and every year one or two players end up being taken somewhere else, we only have one pick, if we had other day one picks I'd be ALL for waiting and if he's not there picking someone in the 2nd or 3rd, but we don't have it. Branch gives us the best chance to solidify our Dline in the event Big Joe retires this year or next. There are no guarantees such a player will be available to pick then. Plus a lot of these players on the mock are over hyped and more likely busts, the fact that Branch fell, to me makes him less bust worthy because he doesn't have that hype. To hell with what Kiper thinks with only one day one pick for sure we have to pick the best value player in a spot that needs improving that's on the Dline and I think Branch gives us better long term potential than okoye.

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Hi Longshot ... I'm a "Draft CJ people" and I don't make that argument. My pitch is that the Skins lack a legitimate No. 2 receiver and until they get one they will have difficulty maxing out the offense and becoming dominant offensively. Without a legitimate No. 2 receiver we do not have legitimate No. 1 receiver! CJ clearly fills a need and a serious one at that.

We don't know if we have a legitimate #2 receiver, mainly because 1) Brunell had a hard time seeing past his #1 receiver, and 2) Campbell was very inconsistant when he was in there.

Fact is, the problem at the end of the season wasn't scoring a lot of points, but preventing the other team from scoring a lot of points. CJ doesn't help much in that respect.

Jason

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This is why Vinney C is the problem...

"When you're picking sixth, the biggest thing you don't want to do is draft for need," Cerrato said. "What you want to get at that pick is an impact guy, no matter the position. To take somebody of need that may go 15th or 18th instead of sixth is not smart." - vinney C - from todays washingington times

So let me get this straight... If you are stacked at RB, he would draft a RB just because he is the best talent available at the time... Yeah, that makes sense... If the guy is going to go at 15th or 18th, you trade down to 15th or 18th and take him there. What a moron.. You don't blow your high draft pick on a postion your stacked at... They really need to stop playing fantasy football at Redskins Park and start picking a team of all around solid players.

You make it sound as if trades with other teams are on a shelf ready to be picked up whenever you want. There probably won't be a trade available that would give us fair value for the 6th pick. Some one may be willing to give more than fair value to get who they really want. Odds are we'll be picking at 6. Should a player that the coaches feel is a #12 or #15 or #18 pick be picked and paid as a #6 pick? Why not pick the true impact player and trade an existing player for more picks. There are too many variables in this process to say the Redskins are morons if they don't do one specific thing. The whole outcome really depends on who the teams ahead of the Redskins decide to draft. :dallasuck

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Ok....say we bring home CJ, which is just plain stupid for many reasons. Now we have to please Moss, Portis, Lloyd, ARE, CJ, Betts. And by please, I mean find enough footballs to go around. And also hope that Campbell can get the ball to all of them, which is still an unknown. Trade back, if we are blessed to do so, and pick up a tackle and an end. Keep Springs and make Lloyd earn his damn money. And give Saunders and the offense another year to conform and see if we can make the playoffs. That would be best for our future and Gibbs'.

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Branch is many mocks now is a late first rounder, no player has really dropped more on the boards then him, so you never know. He's been off Kiper's top 25 player ranking now for the last 4 times in a row.

They where talking about him the other day on NFL Network their thought was the Bengals pick him, if I recall they are around the 18th pick.

What I would really like to see is a trade with GB for their 1st (#16-1000), 2nd (#47-430) and 3rd (#78-200) if Adrian Peterson falls to us. Points works out pretty well. Carriker or Branch look to still be there, otherwise trade back a few spots again and draft Justin Harrell (trade back to 24-27 range) and pick up another 2nd.

Carriker, Branch or Harrell would all be solid DL help. Add at least a 2nd and 3rd and grab another DL and an OG. Another 2nd add DB to the list.

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What I would really like to see is a trade with GB for their 1st (#16-1000), 2nd (#47-430) and 3rd (#78-200) if Adrian Peterson falls to us. Points works out pretty well. Carriker or Branch look to still be there, otherwise trade back a few spots again and draft Justin Harrell (trade back to 24-27 range) and pick up another 2nd.

Carriker, Branch or Harrell would all be solid DL help. Add at least a 2nd and 3rd and grab another DL and an OG. Another 2nd add DB to the list.

That sounds like rational thinking.....the skins will do the exact opposite. I wonder if Petereson will fall to 6. I think Cleveland loves the kid at 3.

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Ok....say we bring home CJ, which is just plain stupid for many reasons. Now we have to please Moss, Portis, Lloyd, ARE, CJ, Betts. And by please, I mean find enough footballs to go around. And also hope that Campbell can get the ball to all of them, which is still an unknown. Trade back, if we are blessed to do so, and pick up a tackle and an end. Keep Springs and make Lloyd earn his damn money. And give Saunders and the offense another year to conform and see if we can make the playoffs. That would be best for our future and Gibbs' as well.

Betts doesn't want the ball any more times than it's offered to him, Moss and Portis will get the ball plenty don't worry about that, ARE knows he's a slot receiver plus he gets punt returns so he's easy to please, as for Lloyd - who cares? He'll have the best seat in the house to watch CJ play his way to the rookie of the year award!

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Betts doesn't want the ball any more times than it's offered to him, Moss and Portis will get the ball plenty don't worry about that, ARE knows he's a slot receiver plus he gets punt returns so he's easy to please, as for Lloyd - who cares? He'll have the best seat in the house to watch CJ play his way to the rookie of the year award!

I can't disagree with too much of that because its your opinion. The only thing I can't stand is the fact that you say "who cares" when talking about Lloyd. I somehow feel like we have become so used to the skins making horrible moves that we just don't care. Oh well....pay Lloyd 30 mil to sit him on the bench. Unfortunately it looks as though I care a little bit more than you about that.

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What I would really like to see is a trade with GB for their 1st (#16-1000), 2nd (#47-430) and 3rd (#78-200) if Adrian Peterson falls to us. Points works out pretty well. Carriker or Branch look to still be there, otherwise trade back a few spots again and draft Justin Harrell (trade back to 24-27 range) and pick up another 2nd.

Carriker, Branch or Harrell would all be solid DL help. Add at least a 2nd and 3rd and grab another DL and an OG. Another 2nd add DB to the list.

Kiper says Harrell is moving fast up the chart. And that he may go BEFORE branch. if he is still there and branch isn't and we got those three picks I say we declare it victory and take Harrel. Draft a DE in the 2nd or 3rd

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I saw Kiper on SC yesterday and they were asking him and some other guy I didn't know who they would rate higher in the draft. They took players from this year's draft vs. players from last year's draft. For instance J. Russell vs. J. Cutler. They came to R. Bush vs. CJ and Kiper said he has a higher grade on CJ than he did on Bush!. After all the hype of Bush last year being a once in a decade player, it shows how good CJ can be being rated higher than Bush. I don't want to see us giving up our 1st rounder next year, but CJ could turn our offense into one of the most dominant in the league. What about an offer of our #6, S. Springs and ARE. I would rather ship out Lloyd but I doubt he has much value at this point. We could try substituting Lloyd and adding a 2008 3rd rounder. If that fails a final offer of #6, Springs, Are and 2008 3rd round. Too much for CJ? What do you guys think?

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What I would really like to see is a trade with GB for their 1st (#16-1000), 2nd (#47-430) and 3rd (#78-200) if Adrian Peterson falls to us. Points works out pretty well. Carriker or Branch look to still be there, otherwise trade back a few spots again and draft Justin Harrell (trade back to 24-27 range) and pick up another 2nd.

Carriker, Branch or Harrell would all be solid DL help. Add at least a 2nd and 3rd and grab another DL and an OG. Another 2nd add DB to the list.

That'd be so sweet! I'll take it in a heartbeat.

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