FrFan Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 MOVING DOWN Teams that may want to slide down and pick up an extra pick or two, include Cleveland, Arizona and Washington. The Browns could get a ton of calls at No. 3. There are rumors that the player the Browns want (I've been sworn to secrecy), they could get much lower than third overall and could be looking to deal. Arizona, at No. 5, wants Thomas but he'll likely be gone. Next on the list is Penn State's Levi Brown, but they better not go too far down, or he'll be gone, too. Washington selects No. 6 overall, but the Redskins do not have a second, third or fourth round pick. They would love to move down and recoup some of those selections. One rumor has Green Bay, if Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson is on the board, giving the Redskins the 16th pick, a second- round pick and a second-day pick. Before free agency started the 49ers were one of our teams to watch next year, because of the development of quarterback Alex Smith, running back Frank Gore and the potential of tight end Ver non Davis, just to start. Plus the fact the team has a strong scouting department and a good head coach in Mike Nolan. After the additions of cornerback Nate Clements, safety Mike Lewis and linebacker Tully Banta-Cain to help the defense, the 49ers continue to get better. There also is a chance the team will have eight picks in the first four rounds of the draft after compensatory picks are allotted. Article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman#21 Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 i like that who would we get with the 16th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowhead Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 One rumor has Green Bay, if Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson is on the board, giving the Redskins the 16th pick, a second- round pick and a second-day pick. Simply not enough to move back 10 slots. Just say no to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Better deals will be presented the day of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana87 Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 MOVING DOWN One rumor has Green Bay, if Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson is on the board, giving the Redskins the 16th pick, a second- round pick and a second-day pick. Article The starting price to move from 6 to 16 is 600 pts from the value chart... 16, 48, 80 and will go up from there if someone else is interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman#21 Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 The value chart is not accurate, we cannot base a tarde on that chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weganator Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 i like that who would we get with the 16th? Amobi Okoye... no doubt... he is gonna be a stud.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 :laugh: the Redskins will now be linked with any team rumored wanting to move up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPASkinsFan Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 He'll be gone by #16. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 These trade down scenarios are stupid. If we want a second round pick then we will trade next years second round and 4th for a second round pick this year. The top 6 of a draft is a place where you get the top player at a position othan than QB. These trade scenarios are just silly. If a team is offering two first and a third then you can talk. But simply just to add a second rounder. WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SprintBomb Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 tough call. I think I would actually be ok with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 The value chart is not accurate, we cannot base a tarde on that chart. Actually, the value chart is precisely accurate. In fact, every team makes trades based on the values shown on the chart. If a team is desperate for a player, they may go higher than the value. That is what you hold out hope for, but, at the minimum, you receive the value presented in draft pick trades as defined by a shared source like the trade chart. This, shockingly, may actually mean your gut feel as to what a good trade is or is not does not actually matter and should be kept to yourself because there's an actual measure surpassing your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman#21 Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Yea i didint know that, how many teams actually base there descision on this chart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantman04 Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 AJ Hawk or bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Actually, the value chart is precisely accurate. In fact, every team makes trades based on the values shown on the chart. If a team is desperate for a player, they may go higher than the value. That is what you hold out hope for, but, at the minimum, you receive the value presented in draft pick trades as defined by a shared source like the trade chart. This, shockingly, may actually mean your gut feel as to what a good trade is or is not does not actually matter and should be kept to yourself because there's an actual measure surpassing your thoughts. The chart is not accurate. Some years you might have 10 good defensive linemen. Some years you might have 1 elite one. How can you make a trade based on math when each eyar the players are not the same. If the Colts used the chart when they had the number 1 pick and took Peyton Manning they would of got killed. If the Colts used the chart when Alex Smith was the number 1 pick they might have won the deal or got equal value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Actually, the value chart is precisely accurate. In fact, every team makes trades based on the values shown on the chart. If a team is desperate for a player, they may go higher than the value. That is what you hold out hope for, but, at the minimum, you receive the value presented in draft pick trades as defined by a shared source like the trade chart. This, shockingly, may actually mean your gut feel as to what a good trade is or is not does not actually matter and should be kept to yourself because there's an actual measure surpassing your thoughts. Yea i didint know that how many team actually base there descision on this chart? Work with us guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Yea i didint know that how many team actually base there descision on this chart? All of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman#21 Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 :doh: my fault im just suprised teams decide whether or not to trade a pick based on math. I bet im not the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman#21 Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 The chart is not accurate. Some years you might have 10 good defensive linemen. Some years you might have 1 elite one.How can you make a trade based on math when each eyar the players are not the same. If the Colts used the chart when they had the number 1 pick and took Peyton Manning they would of got killed. If the Colts used the chart when Alex Smith was the number 1 pick they might have won the deal or got equal value. IM NOT THE ONLY ONE!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceviker Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Better deals will be presented the day of the draft. Yeah, I don't like this trade at all. GB's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and I'd consider it. Then again, it all depends on who we want to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 The chart is not accurate. Some years you might have 10 good defensive linemen. Some years you might have 1 elite one.How can you make a trade based on math when each eyar the players are not the same. If the Colts used the chart when they had the number 1 pick and took Peyton Manning they would of got killed. If the Colts used the chart when Alex Smith was the number 1 pick they might have won the deal or got equal value. The chart is precisely accurate in part because it invalidates the logic you attempt to utilize, therefore providing a level measure to the inexact science of trading draft picks. Individual team values of players through their draft grade are widely variable and meaningless. As an example, Peterson may have a grade as the best player in the draft for our team and for the Packers. Even where it matches, the Packers are not paying the price for the No. 1 pick, but, the No. 6 pick. Where there is agreement in grade, a team may be willing to pay more for such a pick, but generally only slightly. But, the chart is the measure by which trades are made. The Redskins had Campbell graded more highly than other teams, and more highly than the No. 25 pick. But, the trade was for the value of the No. 25 pick, not for what other teams thought of the player ultimately taken or for what the Redskins thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrfriedm Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Any journalist that calls Mile Nolan a good coach isn't worth my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 The chart is precisely accurate in part because it invalidates the logic you attempt to utilize, therefore providing a level measure to the inexact science of trading draft picks. Individual team values of players through their draft grade are widely variable and meaningless. As an example, Peterson may have a grade as the best player in the draft for our team and for the Packers. Even where it matches, the Packers are not paying the price for the No. 1 pick, but, the No. 6 pick. Where there is agreement in grade, a team may be willing to pay more for such a pick, but generally only slightly. But, the chart is the measure by which trades are made. The Redskins had Campbell graded more highly than other teams, and more highly than the No. 25 pick. But, the trade was for the value of the No. 25 pick, not for what other teams thought of the player ultimately taken or for what the Redskins thought. Ok tht makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudMouth12thMan Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 The chart has nothing to do with the prospect or level of talent per se'. It has everything to do with "value" based on a formula for teams to consider "value". It's an easy concept to grasp, and it's a means to decipher what is fair in drafting. The formula will work in our favor if a given draftee is sitting at the 6 slot and a given team really wants that player. By the way...16 and a second (at #47)....not good enough IMO. No friggin' way. And, Green Bay will certainly start singing a different tune if they really want their guy at the 6 slot. Squeeze a third in there as well and ya got somethin' HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman#21 Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Any journalist that calls Mile Nolan a good coach isn't worth my time. why is that lol:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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