Mass_SkinsFan Posted March 9, 2007 Author Share Posted March 9, 2007 why are you so tied to an American car maker? how about one of the many non domestic auto makers who have plants in the US?If your really tied into getting a BRAND NEW American SUV, Id reccomend a GM vehicle, with the 100,000 mile warranty, you cant go wrong. american cars break down a lot, so that extra protection is nice. GM also makes and designs most of their vehicels, especially their trucks here, Ford on the other hand, shares parts and even entire cars with Mazda. (case in point; my old car, 1997 Ford Escort was a Mazda 323 with a blue oval on it). I'm tied to am American car maker for socio-political reasons. I'm looking mostly at what companies have American ownership and assembly. Obviously there is no such thing as a 100% AMERICAN car anymore, but I'm trying to get as close to that as possible. Even if it means paying a little more or getting not quite as nice of a vehicle for the money spent. I am really looking at the NEW car market, not the used car market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCsportsfan53 Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Good news... He's not going for a car... BTW I wouldn't buy a Honda/Toyota/Kia/DaeWoo/Hundai if my life depended on it. The only foreign cars I'd buy come from Europe... As an avid lover of European cars and a guy who's only ever owned VWs I can honestly say you're out of your damn mind If performance is what you want, sure, European cars are better (and both are better than American cars, imo). However, there's no doubt in my mind that Honda and Toyota easily make the highest quality, most dependable cars on the road. They're just not as much fun. If you want utility and reliability, buy japanese. If you're a driving enthusiast and that factors heavily into your car choice, go European (German specifically). I don't know what the hell would make you want an American car, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 I'm tied to am American car maker for socio-political reasons. I'm looking mostly at what companies have American ownership and assembly. Obviously there is no such thing as a 100% AMERICAN car anymore, but I'm trying to get as close to that as possible. Even if it means paying a little more or getting not quite as nice of a vehicle for the money spent.I am really looking at the NEW car market, not the used car market. *cough* Buick *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted March 9, 2007 Author Share Posted March 9, 2007 It just depends where your principles lie. If you have a problem with the fact that, ultimately, the company that you buy the car from is based overseas then Toyota is not an option. If, however, your concern is that American workers built your car then Toyota is actually a more principled purchase these days. To me it's more important where the money eventually goes; therefore it's the company ownership more than where it's built that is important to me. Obviously I'd like to find an option where the company and the assembly are both domestic, but to me the company base is more important than the assembly. You really can't go wrong with them, especially considering you are helping the American economy and putting money in the pockets of blue collar American laborers. Just something to consider, MSF (even though you probably won't see this unless it's quoted as I'm probably on your ignore list). Putting money in the pockets of liberal unionized workers is only marginally better than shipping it off to Japan so far as I'm concerned, DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted March 9, 2007 Author Share Posted March 9, 2007 I wouldn't buy an American car if my life depended on it. If you're on a budget, I'd get a Honda. Amazing price, great reliability, and great design. The new Camry's and Corolla's look nice as well, and are very reasonably price.If you have a little more to spend, you can go with my favs - Audi Thank you for the input and information but there's not a chance in hell that I'd buy either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IONTOP Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 As an avid lover of European cars and a guy who's only ever owned VWs I can honestly say you're out of your damn mind If performance is what you want, sure, European cars are better (and both are better than American cars, imo). However, there's no doubt in my mind that Honda and Toyota easily make the highest quality, most dependable cars on the road. They're just not as much fun. If you want utility and reliability, buy japanese. If you're a driving enthusiast and that factors heavily into your car choice, go European (German specifically). I don't know what the hell would make you want an American car, though Yeah, what I was hinting at is that I will buy American cars until I can afford the Ferrari/Lambo/Veyron... I will never own a Honda/Toyota/Asian car. I just wasn't raised that way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Dog Night Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Get your head out of your ass and buy a Prius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blighty Skins Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Got the perfect car for you Mass: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted March 10, 2007 Author Share Posted March 10, 2007 Get your head out of your ass and buy a Prius. E-Dog, exactly how many of the requirements I mention does that Prius meet? I'd guess absolutely none. The same number that the vehicle Blighty suggested does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatius J. Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Well mass, as far as geopolitical implications of your autombile purchase, you'll do a lot more to ensure america's continued supremacy by buying a prius. Your current view is really very short sighted, as you are essentially deciding that it is better to write checks to Al-Queda and Iran than to Japanese auto companies. Make no mistake, THAT is the decision you are making here. Unless you simply plan on parking this thing on your lawn, fuel efficiency is the only patriotic way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blighty Skins Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Well mass, as far as geopolitical implications of your autombile purchase, you'll do a lot more to ensure america's continued supremacy by buying a prius. Your current view is really very short sighted, as you are essentially deciding that it is better to write checks to Al-Queda and Iran than to Japanese auto companies. Make no mistake, THAT is the decision you are making here. Unless you simply plan on parking this thing on your lawn, fuel efficiency is the only patriotic way to go. That argument might stand if you're talking about a car running on Hydrogen, but a Prius is just a hybrid...you get the same fuel effeciency as a diesel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted March 10, 2007 Author Share Posted March 10, 2007 Well mass, as far as geopolitical implications of your autombile purchase, you'll do a lot more to ensure america's continued supremacy by buying a prius. Your current view is really very short sighted, as you are essentially deciding that it is better to write checks to Al-Queda and Iran than to Japanese auto companies. Make no mistake, THAT is the decision you are making here. Unless you simply plan on parking this thing on your lawn, fuel efficiency is the only patriotic way to go. IJ, what you're missing is that even if it was an American car, the Prius DOES NOT MEET MY NEEDS. I cannot get away with that sort of vehicle. I need something with 4 wheel drive and a large cargo capacity because of my work and hobbies. I can't call in to work when there's snow on the ground and say I'm not coming in. Even in a state of emergency I am REQUIRED to report to work. I transport large amounts of stuff to and from my medieval events. A Prius just flat out doesn't meet my physical needs in a vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Pressure Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 IJ, what you're missing is that even if it was an American car, the Prius DOES NOT MEET MY NEEDS. I cannot get away with that sort of vehicle. I need something with 4 wheel drive and a large cargo capacity because of my work and hobbies. I can't call in to work when there's snow on the ground and say I'm not coming in. Even in a state of emergency I am REQUIRED to report to work. I transport large amounts of stuff to and from my medieval events. A Prius just flat out doesn't meet my physical needs in a vehicle. Get a Wrangler/Liberty with a cap (on the wrangler) and call it a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted March 10, 2007 Author Share Posted March 10, 2007 Get a Wrangler/Liberty with a cap (on the wrangler) and call it a day. Not enough cargo capacity. Hell, the Grand Cherokee I drive right now is barely large enough to get everything into it when I go to extended length events. I definitely cannot go SMALLER than what I already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Good enough for you? Buick Rendezvous 4-door SUV FWD $25,190 - $28,765 CX, CXL Safety information Safety belts: Pretensioners, front/rear Yes/no Center-rear Lap Air bags: Occupant sensing system Front Side air bags, front/rear Optional/no Side curtain air bags Not available Accident alert system Available Active safety features Antilock brakes Standard Traction control Optional Stability control Not available Daytime running lights Standard Tire pressure monitor Available Specifications Drive wheels Front Seating 2 front, 3 rear, 2 third Engines available 3.5-liter V6 (196 hp) Transmissions available 4-speed automatic Fuel Fuel type Regular EPA city/highway, mpg 18/23 Fuel refill capacity, gal 18.5 Dimensions and weight Length, in. 187 Width, in. 74 Wheelbase, in. 112 Curb weight, lb. 4,230 Percent weight, front/rear 58/42 Typical towing ability, lb. 3,500 New Car Prediction : Better than Average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmonkforHOF Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Recent consumer reports ranks Mercedes 36 out of 36 for reliability, meaning the worst. most of the models that have high quality issues are those built outside of Germany. Volkswagens used to be of high quality, I knew guys in highschool who bought 10 year old Jetta's with 175000-190000 miles on them, and they would put another 175000 miles on them. The cars would still be running today, had the floor boards not rusted out, but those engines kept on running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted March 10, 2007 Author Share Posted March 10, 2007 Good enough for you?Buick Rendezvous 4-door SUV FWD $25,190 - $28,765 CX, CXL Actually, I'm going to have to seriously look at that one, SKINSFAN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Actually, I'm going to have to seriously look at that one, SKINSFAN. It's got some pretty sweet features too, but the fact that it's an American car and it gets good rankings is why I suggested it for you. Buick is as American as they come, and my grandfather swears by them. It's the only American car he will ever buy again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blighty Skins Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Actually, I'm going to have to seriously look at that one, SKINSFAN. You can't buy that car, it's got a French name. Plus it's only front wheel drive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awgustlab Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 TOYOTA is where you need to be looking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 You can't buy that car, it's got a French name. Plus it's only front wheel drive... I think you can still get AWD, but if you can't, Buick has others to chose from too. They also have a new one coming out that is for off-roading and things like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blighty Skins Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 TOYOTA is where you need to be looking.... NO...it's not! Toyota are crap. Signed, A Toyota owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 NO...it's not! Toyota are crap.Signed, A Toyota owner We've already discussed this Blighty, Toyota's are different in the UK. Over here, people barely have anything go wrong with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gray Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Mass, I am the ISM (internet sales manager) for three new car stores and 2 used car stores. We have Ford, Mercury, Chevrolet, Chrysler, Jeep, & Dodge. I would be happy to help you with your research and purchase in any way that I can. You can check out our website and do some research if you would like www.johnsoncars.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmonkforHOF Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 I'm tied to am American car maker for socio-political reasons. I'm looking mostly at what companies have American ownership and assembly. Obviously there is no such thing as a 100% AMERICAN car anymore, but I'm trying to get as close to that as possible. Even if it means paying a little more or getting not quite as nice of a vehicle for the money spent.I am really looking at the NEW car market, not the used car market. I respect your opion, even if i dont agree with it. SO if your going new, GM probably is the best way to go. Sure, Ford guys will say their trucks are better, but they also ride like a truck, at least the old ones. Also, Ford shares many forgien parts and I think their SUV lineup is pretty weak in general. Jeep, Chrysler, I would personally stay away from, but if your looking for something larger, Id suggest looking at a Durango. IF you have a lot of large bulky gear, why not lok to a Chevy Avalanche? The prices have gone up recently becasue it is basically a poor mans Escalde (well, rellay, the Cadillac is a rich fools Avalanche) but it is a full size truck, seating for 4 and maybe 5 full sized adults and has a small rear bed with a fold down access to the cab for taking long items. They have also improved the hard cover locking panels on the bed for extra security. There are also limitless aftermarket accessories such as tiedowns, bed extenders and all kinds of things for storage. My boss just recently got a black one, that looks sweet, but he took it up a notch by putting a billet grill on the front. Thats another good point about the Avalanche being the sibling of the Escalade, if you like to customize or make your rig stand out from the crowd, there are a ton of parts that fit both vehicles. One more thing that a guy from Mass would appreciate, it has optional HEATED WINDSHIELD WASHER FLUID SYSTEM. Wait until you see steam from the nozzles, then spray your ice away! entry level is about $33k US, up trim level is about $35 and top of the line starts at about $40k US. decked out to the nines with TV's & the like, you may be pushing $50,000 but can probably get a nicely equiped one for $35-$37,000. (In Canada, my boss paid $50,000 for a mid level trim with a few bells & whistles) Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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