AKM311 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I have seen everyone wants to keep Dock as he is a core to the team, but my question is how much everyone is willing to pay for him? I think hes work a 6 year 30M contract with 8M SB. Thats the maximum I would go with him, but what do others think? What is an amount where you would say we overpaid and should have let him walk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Your figure's sound reasonable to me... IMO, it's hard to come up with a number without it being almost totally arbitrary. I guess the ceiling would be Hutch's contract with the Vikings - 7yrs 49 million. Hutch is getting paid LT type money. Who do we compare Dock with to find a bar to set? Does Dock and his agent feel he is the best LG available? Too many variables at play for me just yet but it does appear the sides are still far apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKM311 Posted February 19, 2007 Author Share Posted February 19, 2007 Your figure's sound reasonable to me...IMO, it's hard to come up with a number without it being almost totally arbitrary. I guess the ceiling would be Hutch's contract with the Vikings - 7yrs 49 million. Hutch is getting paid LT type money. Who do we compare Dock with to find a bar to set? Does Dock and his agent feel he is the best LG available? Too many variables at play for me just yet but it does appear the sides are still far apart. Well we gave Randy Thomas (our better guard) 7 years 28M will I believe 8M SB. Although that was about 4 years ago, and the rates have gone a little higher, I feel Dock has yet to out perform Thomas, so he should get about the same as him (because the rate of a good gaurd has gone up). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Well we gave Randy Thomas (our better guard) 7 years 28M will I believe 8M SB. Although that was about 4 years ago, and the rates have gone a little higher, I feel Dock has yet to out perform Thomas, so he should get about the same as him (because the rate of a good gaurd has gone up). Never thought to compare Randy's contract...:doh: Seems like an equitable deal even more so in that case. That's exactly where I would start - then allow for some adjustment since as you pointed out Randy's deal was made 4 years ago. How we arrive at that adjustment is another story I guess. The league minimum for a guy with Dock's tenure is around $525,000 per year. The salaries have been increasing each year around a rate of 10% according to Clayton. Maybe if they give him a much larger bonus??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 How much am I willing to pay him? That's outrageous! First, we have to pay exhorbitant parking fees, and twenty dollars for a six ounce diet coke, and now we have to dig in to our own pockets to pay the man? Don't I pay enough in tickets, concessions, and heartache... Now, we actually have to pay the... what... oh, never mind. Sounds a little high to me, but that probably makes it reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 if we pay a role player in Randle El close to 30 million, then we should pay Dockery that much being a full-time starter who has been pretty durable (knocks on wood). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I'm willing to overpay a bit if it means sending a message that we re-sign our own people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveStrongSkins Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Well considering I have student loans and stuff I figure I can shell out 30-40 dollars a week to keep Dock here...:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsTillIDie Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Jon Jansen's new contract of 7 years, $23 million with a $10 million bonus, or thereabouts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurd Cudins Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Jon Jansen's new contract of 7 years, $23 million with a $10 million bonus, or thereaboutsIt's only a five year contract.I think we're going to end up giving Dock a 6 year, $36 million deal with a $12 million signing bonus. This year he will only count $2.595 million against the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 ya can't compare randy to dock.randy is a premier pulling guard,dock is not.I like the guy,but he just not that great.Samuels is a top 3 LT and Casey R is a very very good pulling center,put somebody in the middle and they will look real good.Chemistry is important,but it's not everything.Between the false starts and watching our running backs have to jump over his slow *** or not being able to stay behind him because he can't get down field that fast is frustrating.That possition is the missing link keeping our O-line from being the best,most feared line in the NFL instead of one with the potential to be.Maybe we could trans tag him as bait for picks,but I would like to see an upgrade at the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Tomb Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I say we tag him to get the picks. If we don't get any offers for the tag, keep him for a year as a back up (and hopefully healthy), and sign Eric Steinbach to be the starter for the coming season. Steinbach would fit great into our system as a pulling guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurd Cudins Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I say we tag him to get the picks. If we don't get any offers for the tag, keep him for a year as a back up (and hopefully healthy), and sign Eric Steinbach to be the starter for the coming season. Steinbach would fit great into our system as a pulling guard.This is not feasible. His tag # would be $9.5 million and nobody would pay that and give us picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Tomb Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 This is not feasible. His tag # would be $9.5 million and nobody would pay that and give us picks. Ahhh...well then, I stand corrected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 My gut feeling is that a 6 year deal with a 9 mil SB will be enough. Any more would be too much, and I'm obviously a huge fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsniper1 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 This is not feasible. His tag # would be $9.5 million and nobody would pay that and give us picks. That may be the tag for a "Franchised Tackle" but Dock is but a guard, Hutch only makes 7 mill a year as the highest paid Guard in the league. I thought the transition tag was the average of the top ten players at your position(guard, unless they consider all lineman in a "Lineman" category). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 "Resign our own people..." "resign our own people..." wow, we have got to get new sayings around here. It would seem that the consensus around here is that no matter how good the player is, just "resign our own." Then the arguments start pooring in about how good of a year Dockery had in 06. Doc had a good year compared to the bad ones that he had in the past. His good year still doesn't mean that he should be rewarded with a fat contract. Doc seems to be still developing and it just doesn't seem as though the team is willing to wait for his development any longer. Then there will be the arguments about how durable he is..."he never gets hurt." Doc isn't atheletic enough and hasn't done anything atheletic enough to get hurt. Then there will be the arguments saying that I am just hating on Doc. I was excited as hell when we picked Doc and have been waiting for him to do the kinds of things we all thought that a 6'6 346lb guard could do. Well, he hasn't. Now I am just suggesting that instead of giving him alot of money, give it to someone like Eric Steinbach who is a proven force on the o-line at the guard position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurd Cudins Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 That may be the tag for a "Franchised Tackle" but Dock is but a guard, Hutch only makes 7 mill a year as the highest paid Guard in the league. I thought the transition tag was the average of the top ten players at your position(guard, unless they consider all lineman in a "Lineman" category)....and there you have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 "Resign our own people..." "resign our own people..." wow, we have got to get new sayings around here.It would seem that the consensus around here is that no matter how good the player is, just "resign our own." Then the arguments start pooring in about how good of a year Dockery had in 06. Doc had a good year compared to the bad ones that he had in the past. His good year still doesn't mean that he should be rewarded with a fat contract. Doc seems to be still developing and it just doesn't seem as though the team is willing to wait for his development any longer. Then there will be the arguments about how durable he is..."he never gets hurt." Doc isn't atheletic enough and hasn't done anything atheletic enough to get hurt. Then there will be the arguments saying that I am just hating on Doc. I was excited as hell when we picked Doc and have been waiting for him to do the kinds of things we all thought that a 6'6 346lb guard could do. Well, he hasn't. Now I am just suggesting that instead of giving him alot of money, give it to someone like Eric Steinbach who is a proven force on the o-line at the guard position. Yeah yeah, we get it. Don't pay him too much. What number do you feel comfortable with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Yeah yeah, we get it. Don't pay him too much.What number do you feel comfortable with? Judging from your "yeah yeah, we get it" comment, you are not really interested in my opinion. You just need a figure on which to base your argument. I guess that you didn't take this from my original quote, but I would much rather pursue a player like Steinbach than resign Dockery. IMO Dockery limits our offensive play calling way too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyConway Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 As much as I love resigning our own it seems he might be asking for too much. So I say offer him a couple mil less than Randy makes and thats it. Otherwise I think we can improve at the position through FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 3 easy payments of $29.95! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Judging from your "yeah yeah, we get it" comment, you are not really interested in my opinion. You just need a figure on which to base your argument. I guess that you didn't take this from my original quote, but I would much rather pursue a player like Steinbach than resign Dockery. IMO Dockery limits our offensive play calling way too much. I won't go into how he plowed people over running downfield against the Saints or the Jags. Nevermind that Samuels and he are developing good chemistry. You want Syeinbach. Fine. I disagree. It would completely screw the chemistry of the left side of the line. What would you be willing to pay for Steinbach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I won't go into how he plowed people over running downfield against the Saints or the Jags. Nevermind that Samuels and he are developing good chemistry. You want Syeinbach. Fine. I disagree. It would completely screw the chemistry of the left side of the line. What would you be willing to pay for Steinbach? \2 teams, out of a 16 game season. Fantastic, he's good against 1/8 of the our opponents each season. he is slow and causes penalties. if we can upgrade with steinbach and get the 1 or 2 rushing attack in the league, it is more important than whether or not Samuels and Steinbach are friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsOrlando Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I have six dollars in my wallet right now, but I want change back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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