jbooma Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 These are not riders that no one cares about, these are some of the big named drivers. This is going to hurt Nascar. http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=2&id=2765503 Crew chiefs suspended: • David Hyder (Michael Waltrip; indefinitely) • Robbie Reiser (Matt Kenseth; 4 races) • Steve Francis (Kasey Kahne; 4 races) • Jim Rocco (Scott Riggs; 2 races) • Josh Browne (Elliott Sadler; 2 races) Driver penalties: • Kenseth (50 points) • Kahne (50 points) • Riggs (25 points) • Sadler (25 points) Owner penalties: • Ray Evernham (100 owner points) • Jack Roush (50 owner points) Fines: • Reiser, Francis fined $50K each • Rocco, Browne fined $25K each Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxito Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 I' suprised that Michael Waltrip did not get fined at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 As I am not a nascar fan, except for Jeff Gordon aka the best driver of the past decade, I have a question about all of this. Is what they did to the cars like the mechanical equivalant of a baseball player taking roids? I mean does it make a big difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 14, 2007 Author Share Posted February 14, 2007 As I am not a nascar fan, except for Jeff Gordon aka the best driver of the past decade, I have a question about all of this. Is what they did to the cars like the mechanical equivalant of a baseball player taking roids? I mean does it make a big difference? I was thinking the same thing, and some of those on this list have had a lot of success lately so is it do to them cheating?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EersSkins05 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 From what I understand, it's basically viewed with a "wink, wink" attitude among racing fans and officials. It's probably more akin to baseball pitchers doctoring the ball than steroids. You almost EXPECT them to try to cheat a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsOrlando Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 As I am not a nascar fan, except for Jeff Gordon aka the best driver of the past decade, I have a question about all of this. Is what they did to the cars like the mechanical equivalant of a baseball player taking roids? I mean does it make a big difference? When every second counts, sure it matters, comparable to roids found in track athletes. Roids in baseball is natural, ask any Bonds supporter.:laugh: edit: Think of it this way, your car has some illegal devices, it makes it go 1/10th of a second faster than the other cars, over 300 laps thats 30 seconds in time differential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 14, 2007 Author Share Posted February 14, 2007 From what I understand, it's basically viewed with a "wink, wink" attitude among racing fans and officials.It's probably more akin to baseball pitchers doctoring the ball than steroids. You almost EXPECT them to try to cheat a little bit. from those punishments it does not look like a "wink, wink" does it give the drivers an unfair advantage and in this sport getting and extra second is huge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 oh please with the bonds reference.. i doubt steriods helps your discipline at the plate and hand-eye coordination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 I was thinking the same thing, and some of those on this list have had a lot of success lately so is it do to them cheating?? What I think people need to remember is that these cars get inspected every week and each track they go to. This is the first race of the season, and it's not unusual for a car or two to be found with an unapproved device or improper aero package at Daytona in February. In a sport where even a few horsepower or a small amount of downforce can be the difference between winning and finishing out of the Top 10, teams are looking for any advantage they can get. I would suggest that with the fines, penalties, and bad publicity these teams have wracked up in the last couple days, the Nextel Cup teams will be super-sure they're vehicles are in compliance tomorrow, on Sunday, and for the next several weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't trying to win"- Dale Earnhardt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 oh please with the bonds reference.. i doubt steriods helps your discipline at the plate and hand-eye coordination Say it ain't so Skinfan2k. A Shaq fan AND a Bonds fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalSkinsFan Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't trying to win"- Dale Earnhardt These types of "infractions" were much more common and even allowed not all that long ago. But because of how much the sport has grown and the tens of millions of dollars now involved, Nascar is now taking a much more active effort in making sure all cars play on an equal footing. But what's so surprising to me (tho we haven't yet heard the extent of the infraction, but it sounds serious) is the new Toyota team is cheating. Many fans (myself included) are not too pleased that Toyota is even allowed to compete in the series. The series has always traditionally been for American built cars only (Toyota has a manufacturing plant in (Alabama I think?), so per Nascar they technically built in America. This isn't going to sit too well with many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 It seems like a better analogy than steriods would be a baseball player corking his bat. I mean, they're both tinkering with their equipment in an illegal fashion, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Who cares? It's like caring about pro wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandaceM23 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Waltrip just got nailed ... Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF44 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Illegal substance in Waltrips care rumored to be jet fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandaceM23 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 I normally don't pay attention to NASCAR, but my parents have been talking about how everyone's been getting penalized this week, so I decided to listen to whats been going on. Insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuels Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 F'KING BS is what I say.. Its totally ridiculus to take away 50 driver points before the 1st damn race.. I was a diehard Elliott fan turned Kasey Kahne after he took over for him and this just puts them right in a huge hole.. I think its total bull**** and makes me not even wanna watch it.. Nascar supposedly caught the holes in his fender well in preinspection and told them to tape it according to Evernham the tape came off running 180+mph.. The same thing happened with Kenseth.. Sadler and Riggs had holes cut in the fastners for the spoiler letting air leak out to me that was a far bigger infraction then the other 2.. But its alright for that fag Jimmy Johnson to have a device built into his rear window to raise and lower it for qualifying last year and he don't get penalized any points just a crew chief suspension.. And that was a far bigger cheat and that team had been caught before, so this time they take 1st time offenders and basically rail them.. I hate Mike Helton and Pemberton, i feel like the Skins just lost its not fair and a terrible way to start the year for Evernham motorsports.. And the worst part is the drivers never now what the crew chiefs are doing now thier being punished.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF44 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 I agree with alot of what you say samuels, but it seems this year NASCAR is taking a much harder line on "pushing the envelope". Before it was a wink and a nod and a you better fix that, now they are throwing the book at them. Seems a new direction for them this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalSkinsFan Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Toyota and Waltrips fines/suspensions: NASCAR's VP of communication Jim Hunter announced at Daytona International Speedway on Wednesday that Hyder has been fined a record $100,000 and Waltrip's team and owner Buffy Waltrip were docked 100 championship points for various rule violations. NASCAR announced that it has confiscated the primary car of the No. 55 Toyota team which competes in the NASCAR Nextel Cup as a result of rules violations found during pre- and post- competition inspection for the Daytona. 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing), 12-4-Q (car, car parts components and/or equipment not conforming to NASCAR rules) and 20-15.2C (gasoline must not be blended with alcohols, ethers or other oxygenates). http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/6474096 I somehow doubt this is the first impression Toyota had in mind . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborneskins Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 ...But its alright for that fag Jimmy Johnson... Hey, I didn't know that Jimmy Johnson was part of the Film Actors Guild. :whoknows: On a serious note, you may want to read the rules again about circumventing the profanity filters. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalSkinsFan Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Nascar supposedly caught the holes in his fender well in preinspection and told them to tape it according to Evernham the tape came off running 180+mph.. The same thing happened with Kenseth.. Sadler and Riggs had holes cut in the fastners for the spoiler letting air leak out to me that was a far bigger infraction then the other 2..But its alright for that fag Jimmy Johnson to have a device built into his rear window to raise and lower it for qualifying last year and he don't get penalized any points just a crew chief suspension.. And that was a far bigger cheat and that team had been caught before, so this time they take 1st time offenders and basically rail them.. I do agree these don't at all seem fair to Johnson's fines by comparison. But those fines didn't seem to be enough to stop the cheating, so Nascar upped the ante. Nascar is big business nowadays, like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Get off HMS's ass. Jimmie didn't cheat, his team did. Kane didn't cheat, his team did. Waltrip cheated and was so coy about it, it was sickening. I mean, jet fuel? Are you serious? http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/6474096 As for the rest of them, they just got caught. All you 3 fans need to look at the comment made by DE. Everham's always cheated, even when he was cheifing the dominant 24. It's what it is. Do you think the Skin's don't cheat? It's a competition with LOTS of $$$ associated with it. The point reduction sucks for some teams but there had to be a legitimate reason for the docking. The suspensions and fines are pointless. That's for media attention. The points, that is a kick to the nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandaceM23 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Do you guys think that making the teams sit out races would stop the cheating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF44 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Do you guys think that making the teams sit out races would stop the cheating? Yes, I but don't ever see it happening. It would penalize the sponsor and NASCAR will never do anything to hurt a spnoser that badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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