For All Of You who Say We Must Run The Rock To Win

[SkinSinceBertha]

Take a good hard look at what teams are in the the AFC and NFC Championship Games. We say that we need to play Redskin football and pound the rock to win. Well why is it that the teams who are playing to go to the Superbowl are all pass first teams? Defense aside......... we all know you need a good D to win in this league.

1. Patriots - Tom Brady throws the ball 51 times and knocks off the team with the leagues MVP running back

2. Colts - The games best QB and receiver tandem in the league enough said

3. Saints - Leagues leading passer this year, all they do is throw the ball

4. Bears - Grossman has stunk up the joint lately but when he plays well in the Bears pass first offense they win. (Early this season and yesterday)

YOU MUST HAVE A TOP TIER PASS OFFENSE IN THIS LEAGUE TO WIN. UNTIL THE REDSKINS DEVELOP THAT WE WILL NOT WIN.

[Gregpeck99]

That is precisely why the Skins must grab Calvin Johnson in the draft even if they have to trade up!

[[[ghost]]]

Yea, but how many superbowls have those teams won?

I'm not saying you're wrong, and I'm not saying you're right, but winning superbowls isn't an exact formula: you just have to have something that works. Whether it is a power running game, or a fun and gun, or a pass happy offense, it just has to work. combine that with an effective defense, plus an efficient special teams, and you're going places.

EDIT- While Calvin Johnson MAY be great, I'd rather take someone who can help the defense. After all, thats kinda where we sucked last year.

Let's assume that we get Calvin Johnson. He does well, not spectacular, but shows flashes of brilliance, similiar to Breylon Edwards.

What if we wind up with a top 5 pick, and out comes Daniel Manningham. Now, I don't know much about college ball, but this kid is supposed to be good. Do we draft him if he falls to us? What if he's the best player availible? We could go back in time, and draft Jerry Rice, but he won't rush the passer and create turnover.

[W. Unseld]

1. Patriots: regularly utilize 3 rbs, ie Dillon, Maroney and Faulk

2. Colts: Use the run to set up play action but it is kind of a down year for their running game--they are missing Edge all though Addai seems to be coming around

3. Saints: Use the 1-2 punch of Deuce and Bush, from what I saw Deuce was the difference in that game, he punished an already tired defense

4. Bears: Not a good example of an effective pass first offense, I think more of their scoring comes from defensive and special teams scores and set ups than any other team in the league.

[glikster04]

1. Patriots: regularly utilize 3 rbs, ie Dillon, Maroney and Faulk

2. Colts: Use the run to set up play action but it is kind of a down year for their running game--they are missing Edge all though Addai seems to be coming around

3. Saints: Use the 1-2 punch of Deuce and Bush, from what I saw Deuce was the difference in that game, he punished an already tired defense

4. Bears: Not a good example of an effective pass first offense, I think more of their scoring comes from defensive and special teams scores and set ups than any other team in the league.

:applause::applause:

exactly what i was going to say

[CaptChaos86]

I dont think we need Calvin Johnson, we have Moss who is awesome. And i think next year Lloyd will step up and be the #2 guy. I dont care for his attitude and all but maybe he will be motivated. And throw Randel El and Cooley in there we have alot of good receivers. And a full offseason with JC at the helm. We will be fine no need to trade up.

[fansince62]

1. Patriots: regularly utilize 3 rbs, ie Dillon, Maroney and Faulk

2. Colts: Use the run to set up play action but it is kind of a down year for their running game--they are missing Edge all though Addai seems to be coming around

3. Saints: Use the 1-2 punch of Deuce and Bush, from what I saw Deuce was the difference in that game, he punished an already tired defense

4. Bears: Not a good example of an effective pass first offense, I think more of their scoring comes from defensive and special teams scores and set ups than any other team in the league.

You missed the posters point - he's right in that these teams won through the air....a pound the ball philosophy as is being pushed for the Skins will not work. Now, it is open to debate whether it is a balanced attack or a pass dominant attack that prevails. but his point that a grind it out running attack is not what characterizes each of these teams is correct. in fact, the team that was closest to that style - the Ravens - were shut down completely in the playoffs.

[Slateman]

1. Patriots - Tom Brady throws the ball 51 times and knocks off the team with the leagues MVP running back

And the Patriots barely won that game. Frankly, any other playoff team would have beat the Patriots that day. Brady went 27/51 (a little over 50%) and threw three interceptions.

2. Colts - The games best QB and receiver tandem in the league enough said

Lets look at Mannings stats the past two playoff games

Versus KC: 30/38, 1 TD . . . 3 interceptions. On the other hand, Addai ran the ball 25 times for 122 yards, and Rhodes went 13/68.

Versus Baltimore: 15/30 and two interceptions. The Colts still collectively ran for over a hundred yards.

3. Saints - Leagues leading passer this year, all they do is throw the ball

McAllister had over a thousand yards rushing. Bush had over 500. Oh, and I'm willing to bet that alot of those passes to Bush were dinks and dunks and screens.

4. Bears - Grossman has stunk up the joint lately but when he plays well in the Bears pass first offense they win. (Early this season and yesterday)

The Bears do not, and have never had, a pass first offense. They still ran for over 100 yards. Grossman limited his mistakes yesterday.

Sorry, but a run game is just as important, if not more, than the passing game.

[skinfan2k]

if we think that running the football 50 times will work, the redskins are out of their mind.. all of the above teams try to established a balance gameplan.. the pats went to shotgun to make the chargers get of their 3-4 alignment and allow brady to have more time to scan the field

[Slateman]

if we think that running the football 50 times will work, the redskins are out of their mind.. all of the above teams try to established a balance gameplan.. the pats went to shotgun to make the chargers get of their 3-4 alignment and allow brady to have more time to scan the field

Where do you get that the Skins are gonna run it 50 times a game? Has that ever happened. . . . ever?

Did ya'll miss all the play action pass the Redskins called their last two games? Jeez . . . :doh:

[nightbird]

A. How many Super Bowls have Dan Marino, Dan Fouts and Peyton Manning combined to win?

B. The last SIX Super Bowl champs can be described as defensive-minded, tough run-first teams. Steelers, Pats, Bucs, Ravens. After that you'd have to go to the rams teams of the greatest show on turf but they were they anamoly, not the rule.

C. How did the Eagles go on their great run after McNabb went down? Handoffs to Westbrook, that's how.

D. Even if you describe the Patriots as a passing team, which they are not, because Brady attempted 51 passes, that's not the point. Belicheck does not want to throw 51 times. But if he has to, he trusts his quarterback enough to call 51 passes. That said, how many top 10 draft picks have the pats used on wide receivers? You'd have to go back to Irving Fryar, my friend.

E. Anyone who thinks a brutal running game cannot lead the way to a super bowl win has an awfully short memory. See: Steelers, Pittsburgh (2005-2006)

[ntotoro]

if we think that running the football 50 times will work, the redskins are out of their mind.. all of the above teams try to established a balance gameplan.. the pats went to shotgun to make the chargers get of their 3-4 alignment and allow brady to have more time to scan the field

Name one team that runs it that much. Now give show where the 'Skins have indicated they'll run it that much.

[MRMADD]

That is precisely why the Skins must grab Calvin Johnson in the draft even if they have to trade up!

That's funny because three of those four teams rely primarily on castoff receivers in their high-powered offenses.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

I say play to your teams strengths. The skins OBVIOUSLY felt more comfortable running the football. All they did was talk about how they wanted to run and play good D like they did in 05.

Look at the Ravens team that won the super bowl. Pathetic offense, so they relied heavily upon the defense.

I say, just play to whatever suits your team. Drew Brees has a great arm, so chuck it around. Same for Peyton Manning and I'd have to say the same for Brady. You do whatever works

[50yrSKINSfan]

One reason why you would want a run first team is because many times championship games are played in places where the weather will not allow a team to complete many passes. Most teams do not have a dome to play in. Watching Brady I got the impression a more accurate passer is more valuable than great receivers. Although the receivers must be able to catch. The Pats were lucky with the Chargers giving them turnovers but still the Chargers had the chance to stop the Pats and failed. Defence wins championships.

[skinfan2k]

Name one team that runs it that much. Now give show where the 'Skins have indicated they'll run it that much.

Where do you get that the Skins are gonna run it 50 times a game? Has that ever happened. . . . ever?

Did ya'll miss all the play action pass the Redskins called their last two games? Jeez . . . :doh:

sorry i did exaggerate on the 50 times.. more like 35-40 times..

[desioreo87]

This is absolutely one of the most ridiculous idea I have heard on this board. The Redskins win when they run the ball effectively. Its as simple as that. Do you guys forget how we got to the playoffs last year? ON the shoulders of CP and this defense. Seriously people its all about the run for us. If we had a defense the last 6 games of the season we win those games hands down and we are in the playoffs.

JC has the talent to throw the ball aruond and spread it to the receivers as well as going deep which is all we need. We don't need him to win every game but there wil be times when the run game stalls and he is forced to put the game on his shoulders and in those situations I believe in him. We don't need frickin Calvin Johnson. We need to focus on defense. The reason why this year was so bad was because we had the lowest amount of sacks and lowest amount of turnovers...EVER! IN NFL HISTORY.

[TGI Jef]

brady, manning, brees

thats why they dont have to run as much

and b/c the colts defense sucked all year, we dont need to play defense to get into the playoffs either

tgijef

[Morneblade]

Take a good hard look at what teams are in the the AFC and NFC Championship Games. We say that we need to play Redskin football and pound the rock to win. Well why is it that the teams who are playing to go to the Superbowl are all pass first teams? Defense aside......... we all know you need a good D to win in this league.

1. Patriots - Tom Brady throws the ball 51 times and knocks off the team with the leagues MVP running back

2. Colts - The games best QB and receiver tandem in the league enough said

3. Saints - Leagues leading passer this year, all they do is throw the ball

4. Bears - Grossman has stunk up the joint lately but when he plays well in the Bears pass first offense they win. (Early this season and yesterday)

YOU MUST HAVE A TOP TIER PASS OFFENSE IN THIS LEAGUE TO WIN. UNTIL THE REDSKINS DEVELOP THAT WE WILL NOT WIN.

1. Chargers turned the ball over 3 times, and still should have won. Along with some real bad management of time outs down the stretch killed them.

2. Manning was by his standards HORRID against the Ravens. The Colts relied on RUNNING the ball down the stretch and a DEFENCE that held Baltimore to 6 points.

3. The Saints Had over 175 yards Rushing and RAN the ball down the Eagles throat. The Eagles counted with Westbrook. AS A RUNNING BACK. In fact every commentator comment that the big reason Phully was winning games is that they were about 50/50 in run pass play calling in their 5 game winning streak.

4. Anyone using the Bears in the same sentence as "pass first" should be have a couple men in clean white suits come in with a "special" jacket for you. Because you're nuts. They win with DEFENCE and RUNNING.

Oh, and FYI, the Rams had the #7 rated Defence in the NFL when they won their Superbowl. How many people here would have killed for a #7 ranked D this year?

[Bang]

Take a good hard look at what teams are in the the AFC and NFC Championship Games. We say that we need to play Redskin football and pound the rock to win. Well why is it that the teams who are playing to go to the Superbowl are all pass first teams? Defense aside......... we all know you need a good D to win in this league.

1. Patriots - Tom Brady throws the ball 51 times and knocks off the team with the leagues MVP running back

2. Colts - The games best QB and receiver tandem in the league enough said

3. Saints - Leagues leading passer this year, all they do is throw the ball

4. Bears - Grossman has stunk up the joint lately but when he plays well in the Bears pass first offense they win. (Early this season and yesterday)

YOU MUST HAVE A TOP TIER PASS OFFENSE IN THIS LEAGUE TO WIN. UNTIL THE REDSKINS DEVELOP THAT WE WILL NOT WIN.

Right, so since it works for them, it must work for us!

Nevermind the Colts and Pats have hall of fame QBs.. Nevermind the Saints have some of the fastest wideouts in the league.. and a miracle in Colston who is so big you can't ignore him.. and forget the fact that the Seahawks secondary consisted of a rookie and a bus driver..

They passed, so we should to!

Play to your strength. Our strength is running the ball.

~Bang

[fansince62]

This is absolutely one of the most ridiculous idea I have heard on this board. The Redskins win when they run the ball effectively. Its as simple as that. Do you guys forget how we got to the playoffs last year? ON the shoulders of CP and this defense. Seriously people its all about the run for us. If we had a defense the last 6 games of the season we win those games hands down and we are in the playoffs.

JC has the talent to throw the ball aruond and spread it to the receivers as well as going deep which is all we need. We don't need him to win every game but there wil be times when the run game stalls and he is forced to put the game on his shoulders and in those situations I believe in him. We don't need frickin Calvin Johnson. We need to focus on defense. The reason why this year was so bad was because we had the lowest amount of sacks and lowest amount of turnovers...EVER! IN NFL HISTORY.

it's also how they lost....have we already forgotten the days of 8 in the box? have we forgotten the tortuous path that got us to Jason Campbell? The notion in play - that smash mouth running football will win championships these days - is wrong.

[fansince62]

Right, so since it works for them, it must work for us!

Nevermind the Colts and Pats have hall of fame QBs.. Nevermind the Saints have some of the fastest wideouts in the league.. and a miracle in Colston who is so big you can't ignore him.. and forget the fact that the Seahawks secondary consisted of a rookie and a bus driver..

They passed, so we should to!

Play to your strength. Our strength is running the ball.

~Bang

worked swell for the ravens!

[fansince62]

This is absolutely one of the most ridiculous idea I have heard on this board. The Redskins win when they run the ball effectively. Its as simple as that. Do you guys forget how we got to the playoffs last year? ON the shoulders of CP and this defense. Seriously people its all about the run for us. If we had a defense the last 6 games of the season we win those games hands down and we are in the playoffs.

JC has the talent to throw the ball aruond and spread it to the receivers as well as going deep which is all we need. We don't need him to win every game but there wil be times when the run game stalls and he is forced to put the game on his shoulders and in those situations I believe in him. We don't need frickin Calvin Johnson. We need to focus on defense. The reason why this year was so bad was because we had the lowest amount of sacks and lowest amount of turnovers...EVER! IN NFL HISTORY.

what utter nonsense. the reason we lost was because of a personnel management system that created a roster, certainly on defense, with limited talent and true athletes. let's get to prime causes rather than first excuses.

[fansince62]

btw....a power running team is supposed to able to punch it in from the 5 yard line on in.....convenient how so many ignore facts that belie a cherished fantasy.

[JoeGibbsThickandthin]

We can not throw 50 times with these wideouts. Moss is the only open that can get open.

Randel El AND Lloyd get minimal seperation even on trick plays.

Thrash is average. And Cooley is just a hback/ TE

If they got a Calvin Johnson maybe. But all the redskins wrs all do the same thing.

And i agree. You have to pass in todays NFL. If not you do not score enough points.

How many times over the past 3 yrs have Gibbs teams dominated the other teams at the line of scrimmage and yet we still lose because of 1 turnover.

You are like SHEESH. Are magin for error is so small