fuji869 Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 The 1991 Washington Redskins were the best team in Redskin History but when it comes to NFL's Greatest Teams it is not ranked up there, this was seen in NFL Network's America's Game when they were ranked 14th. It was not ranked in ESPN's 25 Greatest Teams while the 1992 Dallas Cowboys were on that list. The 1991 Washington Redskins were a team that started the team 11-0 with 3 straight home shutouts. They were 14-2 but lost one meaningful game against the Dallas Cowboys. Had home field wrapped up before any other NFC Team Qualified for the playoffs. In the post season they never trailed and Mark Rypien never got sacked. But why is this team not considered one of the best on the modern era, well there are several things that can contribute to this. It fell apart so fast, 2 seasons after winning Super Bowl XXVI the Redskins were 4-12 and many of the key players in 1991 were gone after the 1993 Season. There were not to many mega stars on that team no Jerry Rice's, Joe Montana's, Tom Brady's or No Emmit's. We had Darrell Green, Art Monk, Charles Mann and the Hogs who are all Redskin Legends but not real house hold names. Finally they were the Redskins, as we all know a team that outside of its own fan base most football fans do not like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uno Mas Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 Ive often pondered this very thing. I believe it has a lot to do with the superstar, or lack thereof, arguement. Which, IMHO, is a credit to just how genius Joe Jackson Gibbs is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 Good thread. The 1991 team was incredible and they are definitely a top team of all-time! I think it's difficult to compare teams from different seasons/eras so I'll just be happy that they're considered one of the bests. We remember how dominant they were, beating down every team they played in 1991...and that's all that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 It was not ranked in ESPN's 25 Greatest Teams while the 1992 Dallas Cowboys were on that list. Do you have a link? This one has the '91 team at #4... which is not bad. http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/football/teams/greatest.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuji869 Posted January 13, 2007 Author Share Posted January 13, 2007 Do you have a link? This one has the '91 team at #4... which is not bad.http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/football/teams/greatest.html ESPN did Top 25 Sports Teams Lists for there 25th Anniversary. And the 1991 Redskins were not on that Top 25. They were all sports teams that were around since there inception in 78 or 79. But that is a sweet list BleedBN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwitt Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 I think the critics look at the individual star power for these teams and not as much for what they accomplished on the field. A huge part of our success that year was from the play of the offensive line...how boring. The thing I remember most about that year was how little stress I was under, as a fan, along the way. Everything just came so easy. In other words, we were dominant. Not sure what else that team could have done to impress these rankers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 Finally they were the Redskins, as we all know a team that outside of its own fan base most football fans do not like. I know that the Redskins never had the national following of teams like the Cowboys and Steelers, but never got the sense that they were a team that was disliked.......until perhaps Snyder came along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsTillIDie Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 On a side note, that Redskin team had the most coaches in the league at the time, as portrayed in the America's Game feature. Just goes to show that an "over-abundance" of assisstant coaches has worked for Joe Gibbs before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stwasm Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 The 1991 Washington Redskins were the best team in Redskin History but when it comes to NFL's Greatest Teams it is not ranked up there, this was seen in NFL Network's America's Game when they were ranked 14th. Actually, the 1983 Washington Redskins were the best in team history. While the 1991 team was awesome, the '83 model scored a then-record 541 points, had a plus-42 turnover differential and went 14-2 during the regular season, losing those two games by a grand total of two points. The only blemish was their horrible defeat in Super Bowl XVIII by Marcus Allen and the Raiders. Sorry to be a killjoy, but I would have taken the '83 model in that they did dominate throughout the year while the '91 team, while great had some good breaks come their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 I don't know Stwasm......the PF-PA ratio for the '83 team was 541-332, but the one for the '91 team was 485-224. Both years the Skins were ranked #1 in offense, but in '83 they were #11 in D (as far as points against), while the '91 team was #2. If you take a look at the scores of the individual games, the '91 team smacked people around at least as much as the '83 team. I will agree that the '83 offense was better than the '91 team's, although the latter one was very far from shabby. Also, the '83 team was missing two key members of the secondary (Tony Peters and Jeris White) from the previous year, which would have greatly helped the D. Also, Moseley missed key FGs in both losses. Still, from a balance persepctive, I'll take the '91 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark The Homer Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 There's nothing great about collapsing at the finish line. I'll take the '91 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 Actually, the 1983 Washington Redskins were the best in team history. While the 1991 team was awesome, the '83 model scored a then-record 541 points, had a plus-42 turnover differential and went 14-2 during the regular season, losing those two games by a grand total of two points. The only blemish was their horrible defeat in Super Bowl XVIII by Marcus Allen and the Raiders. Sorry to be a killjoy, but I would have taken the '83 model in that they did dominate throughout the year while the '91 team, while great had some good breaks come their way. Actually it was +43. I don't know why everyone in here gets that wrong. Here's a link: http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=579 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeKnowsBest Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 I watched the NFL Network "America's Game" special on the 91 Redskins and I loved every minute of every memory. The 1991 team is my favorite football team of all time. It is the very team that got me to watching football on a regular basis. I had always liked the Redskins before, and football to some extent casually, but it was the 91 Redskins that made me a fan for all time. That was when I really got glued to loving the Redskins. I remember Gary Clark, Darrell Green, and Charles Mann as my favorite players. I remember watching Art Monk break the all time receptions record on Monday Night Football against the Broncos. I remember Mark Rypien winning the MVP award. I remember playing as them in Tecmo Superbowl. Ernest Byner was always my MVP in that classic nintendo game. I even remember Tracy Rocker. Most of all, I remember how many people tried to bet against the Redskins because they knew I liked them, and for some reason they didn't. I heard the old retarded "Deadskins" name calling but then I could just point to their record and how they hosed the Bills (a team I loved to hate back then) and I could just smile and humble their big mouths right there on the spot. They always instigated little bets, and because of it, I usually wound up a few cents richer! I remember going to school at lunch time and talking with friends at how good the Redskins were doing that year. They went undefeated for most of the year and I got the feeling that no one could stop them. I remember that feeling plain as day and I WANT IT BACK! That team was with out a shadow of a doubt the best team in the league. And what gets me is how everyone was on the 49ers and Bills bandwagons and still overlooked the Redskins despite their record. Heck even my best friend asked me how I would pick in the Superbowl the day before the game. And then I remember when I went to the Superbowl party, every one esle was picking the Bills and asked me who I picked. My reply was like "Duh! The Redskins!" And then after the Redskins handed it to the Bills in the Superbowl, that sense of pride and "I told ya!" and all the gloating in the world for my favorite team was unparallel. I became a big Mark Rypien fan from that year, but unfortunately after Joe Gibbs left, it all fell apart and Rich Pettybone got rid of our core Redskins. He never even used Art Monk when he had him and shipped Gary Clark out to Miami and Arizona. :mad: But the feeling those 91 Redskins gave me was something special. I really miss those days. I hope next year we can capture that kind of magic again with the Redskins of today. As to why they weren't voted highter... I suspect it's the same thing Steve Sabol said, and the same reason why Art Monk wasn't put in the hall of fame yet.... They just weren't "sexy" enough for the press. They weren't media darlings and were too boring in their interviews. They were all bussiness on the field and didn't care about entertaining the media. Charles Mann made a good point. He talked about how the League MVP of that year, Thermon Thomas was living Hollywood Style gathering all the attention from the media and how Thermon Thomas courted them and loved all the attention. But then as soon as the Superbowl started, Thermon Thomas was so distracted, he couldn't even find his helmet! It's the biggest game of your career and you can't find your helmet! So despite what the media thinks, The Redskins are always a little bit better than they give credit for. Some people just prefer flash over results. They said the 83 and 87 teams didn't make the cut... their excuse was that those were work stoppage years and the season was cut short so there for it "doesn't count" :rolleyes. Anyway, the 91 team is the best of the 3 anyhow in my book. I'll try and give the media who voted the benefit of the doubt for now but it should be interesting to see who they put ahead of them. But I mean 14-2 on the year and not allowing more then 10 sack of your QB for the entire year is pretty impressive, as are all the shutouts the defense pitched. And let's not forget the margin of victories in the big games the Redskins won by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddub52 Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 I dont understand it... I have seen several websites that have them in the NFL's top 5 teams of all time. Why not top 25 on the ESPN specials? http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/football/teams/greatest.html http://www.watchmojo.com/top_10/lists/sports/football/football_nfl_best_teams_all_time.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 I watched that special and could not believe I was watching a team that outside the top 10, let alone the top 5. Watching that special also made me even madder that Art Monk is still not in the HOF. Monk was basically Rypien's go-to WR even more than Gary Clark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCMONEY Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 ESPN did one a few years back. I like how they strictly had a criteria and went by that. I think they took into account, Team Record, Margin of Victory, Margin of Losses, Strength of Schedule, Offensive Rank, Defensive Rank, Sacks allowed, Sacks Against, Rushing For and Rushing against, Points scored, Points against. There were some other things that I can't recall right now but after they went through all the criteria, that 1991 Skins team was ranked like #3 all time. I know they were at least top 5. There were intangible things like shut outs too. In which that Skins defense was ranked #2 and had 3 shut outs. 2 against playoff squads. The Skins didn't get scored on at home until week 7. When the NFL Network started doing this piece I never expected the Skins to be top 10. I knew they were gonna get slighted. They do it all the time when it comes to the individual honors. When it comes to Post Season and Post Career honors, the Skins always get slighted. Look at Art Monk and Chris Hanburger. Monk being turned down to the HOF like 6 times? Thats ridiculous. Hell Chris Hanburger's name isn't even brought up in conversations for HOF. 9 time pro bowler. Why? Shawn Springs a couple years back had 5 ints. and 6 Sacks on the #1 defense in the NFC and #3 overall in the NFL yet he doesn't get invited to the pro bowl. Its all hype to me. If they honestly looked at the team accomplishments and not individual stars they'd see the 1991 Skins should be top 5 all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuji869 Posted January 15, 2007 Author Share Posted January 15, 2007 I know that the Redskins never had the national following of teams like the Cowboys and Steelers, but never got the sense that they were a team that was disliked.......until perhaps Snyder came along. I grew up all over the place my father being a Department of Defense Civilian and one thing I noticed is that there are a lot of people out there that do not like the Redskins even pre Snyder. I remember when I was in Jr High when my father was stationed in Japan. I was wearing a Super Bowl XVII Championship T-Shirt school being told that the Redskins Sucked, they were lucky and will suck next season. Actually, the 1983 Washington Redskins were the best in team history. While the 1991 team was awesome, the '83 model scored a then-record 541 points, had a plus-42 turnover differential and went 14-2 during the regular season, losing those two games by a grand total of two points. The only blemish was their horrible defeat in Super Bowl XVIII by Marcus Allen and the Raiders. I see what you are saying stwasm and you can make an argument for either team being the greatest Redskin Team but the bottom line is the 91 Redskins Finished the deal and IMHO that makes them the greatest Redskin Team of all Time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyRules Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 Anybody else see this 1991 Washington Redskins Super Bowl XXVI Ring for sale on ebay....awesome!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/1991-Washington-Redskins-Super-Bowl-XXVI-Ring_W0QQitemZ130069115783QQihZ003QQcategoryZ25168QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item130069115783 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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