Troy Fakeman Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Bufford - no disrespect bro - just trying to make a point that anonymous allegations can go either way... And obviously I'm frustrated by the chain of articles this week - I hate that our squad is the joke of the NFL. My bad bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmb5 Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 My thoughts on these 3 articles...can easily be seen in MY comment at the end of the 3rd article...on the WP website...where you can add comments / reply to the author's piece of work:These last 3 articles in the past 3 days are ridiculous. Its easy for one to make allegations and conjur up hysteria when you cannot identify your sources. For example: A Washington Post writer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Jason La Canfora likes to sleep around with young asian boys. That right there...is exactly how these last 3 pieces by the Washington Post have conveyed all of these problems with the Redskins. If you wish to throw the local NFL franchise under the bus Mr. La Canfora Mr. Howard Bryant...identify your sources. Anyone can attack anybody and anyone can make up anything by not providing the name of the source. Watch how easy it is: Howard Bryant spends all of his personal time on child pornography sites, said a Washington Post assistant who asked not to be identified because he considers Bryant a friend and admires his writing. Too easy. Perhaps in your next article you could try discussing the growth of Jason Campbell or how the Redskins have one of the best RB Tandem in the NFL w/ Portis Betts???? By jmicrodoc | Jan 3, 2007 8:38:15 AM | Request Removal http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/comments/display?contentID=AR2007010201192 yep. the same thing came to my mind in reading each of the articles, and it kind of pissed me off because the writers could be making a lot of it up (not saying they did, but they could have) either these post writers are immoral bull****ters making up fake lies or there are a lot of cowards in this organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Emrys Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I'm a Republican...so naturally...I have a detestation of the media and consequently hate the WP.[/Quote]What does this have to do with it? You hate the media, so you don't beleive anything they report? Pretty profound. So, when the Washington Post reports that the Redskins are 5-11 and have major problems, all the criticisms laid out by unnamed sources should just be discarded? That approach sounds pretty extreme to me. I prefer to look at the overall pattern in these comments, the season, and past personel decisions. Each individual comment should be viewed with certain skepticism. However, when you keep hearing the same themes over and over again, coupled with things that have gone on in the past, a picture of some legitimate concerns becomes more clear. ...I'll just wait until Gibbs, Snyder, and unfortunately...Cerrato, get this franchise on track. I'm not one to look to the Post for an "answer" or for "insider" information to the Franchise...I look to the Post for simple coverage. That's it. So where do you get "insider" information, b/c Gibbs certainly doesn't tell us much of anything? He just speaks in vague terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 What does this have to do with it? You hate the media, so you don't beleive anything they report? i hate you. so i don't listen to a word you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saqs Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 The articles, along with CPs interview, just go to show that Gibbs is ultimately at fault for playing the nice guy and trying to make everyone happy for far too long. It's time to show your balls Gibbs. Make some examples out of people. And no that does not mean benching/a stealth demotion while giving them the silent treatment until they ask to be released. The entire organization needs to know why that person is being put in the doghouse and what's expected of them if they dont want to end up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hervoicehoneyed Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 What does this have to do with it? You hate the media, so you don't beleive anything they report? Pretty profound. So, when the Washington Post reports that the Redskins are 5-11 and have major problems, all the criticisms laid out by unnamed sources should just be discarded?That approach sounds pretty extreme to me. I prefer to look at the overall pattern in these comments, the season, and past personel decisions. Each individual comment should be viewed with certain skepticism. However, when you keep hearing the same themes over and over again, coupled with things that have gone on in the past, a picture of some legitimate concerns becomes more clear. So where do you get "insider" information, b/c Gibbs certainly doesn't tell us much of anything? He just speaks in vague terms. This was a really insightful post Merlin, summed up my feelings on the issue pretty well. People, whatever the Post prints is not gospel, but a lot of it is really useful. Take what you want it from it, but don't dismiss it all as garbage when all it takes is to read and think critically and not lazily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzSkinsFan63 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 The article on Saunders and Gibbs is clueless!!!! According to the WP both coaches can't realize that the reason the running game was better the second half of the season was Jason Campbell. Both offenses (Gibbs and Saunders) work! Both are proven. The difference was when you put in a strong arm QB that defenses had to account for and wham! Instant running game. if the WP is correct and Gibbs thinks "Redskins football" is the answer and Saunders thinks his system is the answer then this team is in a huge mess. The answer was JC. Now let's fix that friggin Defense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Emrys Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 i hate you. so i don't listen to a word you say. Yep, and that's the same reason I don't return your phone calls. You're a friggin' tool box . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aghar Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 The articles, along with CPs interview, just go to show that Gibbs is ultimately at fault for playing the nice guy and trying to make everyone happy for far too long. It's time to show your balls Gibbs. Make some examples out of people. And no that does not mean benching/a stealth demotion while giving them the silent treatment until they ask to be released. The entire organization needs to know why that person is being put in the doghouse and what's expected of them if they dont want to end up there. Couldn't agree more!! :applause: He needs to take control. He has done nothing but release his control on this football team since his arrival. He needs to take his team back and finish off this second run of his the way he originally intended to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauss Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Obviously, there was a lot of truth in the stories--even from unnamed sources. We were 5-11, that translates to things aren't going well. The Post pointed out several reasons why we are a losing team. Also, where is the surprise?--that Vinny can't evaluate talent--we all knew that. That B. Lloyd was a cancer--I thought that was common knowledge. That our front office is screwed up--again, we knew that. If players don't have faith that a play will work or that they don't like the play called--guess what? It ain't going to work. The stories were depressing, but we are what we are--a losing team. Also, if the same position coaches return with the same players--well, lets just say some changes need to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauss Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Oh--I thought that story about the defense not getting time to rest was funny. I mean--they could have stopped someone on 3rd down and gotten off of the field--or--how about getting a turnover--you can get some rest after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COOLhandsCOOLEY Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 There is far too much talk of gibbs' balls here. Sleeping will not be fun tonight thanks! In all seriousness though I thought these articles were very insightful. You can't dismiss what is being said because you don't like the fact that some of the sources wanted to be anonomous. In fact you are probably getting a more true statement because people are speaking under this condition. Fact is that we had a terrible year and any number of things can be considered contributing factors. I think we have enough talent to be hopeful for next year. I think that this offseason will be spent learning on the mistakes of last year. It's not like this 5-11 season has any bearings on next year except giving us a better draft pick. Hopefully the team comes back hungry and angry. We'll see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas_SkinsFan Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 i hope losing Clark, Seans best friend on the team doesnt piss off Sean enough he doesnt want to extend his deal when the time comes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaDRoc Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Oh--I thought that story about the defense not getting time to rest was funny. I mean--they could have stopped someone on 3rd down and gotten off of the field--or--how about getting a turnover--you can get some rest after that. Parcells and other league coaches expressed the belief that Saunder's new system and its ability to either score quickly or exert an inablity to move the ball at all was the greatest cause for the defense's demise. Compared to the Gibbs offense of 2005 where the Skins owned the clock and would prolong their drives, this does not seem like too ridiculous of a suspicion. I wouldn't discount the beliefs of Parcells and other coaches that easily... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 The articles seem like fluff to me. I learned more from the denver broncos.com article on the redskins , broncos TJ Duckette trade than i did reading these 3 articles. Its almost like they want to put all the blame on the coaches and none on Dan and Vinny. So who are their sources? Vinny Cerrato? According to the Broncos owner Cerrato is the guy they talk for trades. And Snyder encourages trades during the super bowl. Why are the articles only focused on the coaching staff when everyone knows the teams main problem is in ownership/front office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 What I believe he is suggesting is that these writers should either insist that their sources go on the record, or simply refuse to publish the article. That's naive. They write those articles because people want to read those things and it's perfectly understandable that their sources don't want to go on the record. I'm not sure about you, but over the course of time, I can tell when authors are inventing stuff and when they're not. Much of this stuff is just verifying things that any of us could have figured out. The philosophical differences on offensive strategy between Gibbs and Saunders, for example. A couple of weeks ago, I started a thread on the topic speculating about the issue based on public comments that each had made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 That's naive. They write those articles because people want to read those things and it's perfectly understandable that their sources don't want to go on the record.I'm not sure about you, but over the course of time, I can tell when authors are inventing stuff and when they're not. Much of this stuff is just verifying things that any of us could have figured out. The philosophical differences on offensive strategy between Gibbs and Saunders, for example. A couple of weeks ago, I started a thread on the topic speculating about the issue based on public comments that each had made. The subtle comments are intriguing....especially the quotes from Saunders. He's a 'team guy' and 'Gibbs is the coach', followed by 'I now understand my role' are true indications that should Al get an offer in the next few weeks, the organization will probably accomodate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLusby Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I never believe a word that the WP or WT says. They dislike Snyder so much that his failure is the single most important thing. This is their only story! There is never anything positive from these writers. Let's get a fan like "ART", "BLADE", "OM", or "DIEHARD" who all write with passion working for the WP or WT. These guys are all fans of other teams and want complete chaos which sells papers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Fakeman Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 So where do you get "insider" information, b/c Gibbs certainly doesn't tell us much of anything? He just speaks in vague terms. Clinton Portis...via The John Thompson Show...because he is a player...playing for the franchise...and is front & center with daily activities at Redskins Park. The Washington Post, a longtime enemy of the Skins organization, does not have that luxury. Anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grhqofb5 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 A couple of interesting articles are linked below. Apparantly it is not uncommon for newspapers to refuse to publish articles containing "anonymous sources." I guess if you're a freelance guy, you'll just find an outlet that will. Check out the Associated Press policy and the results of this survey of national newspapers: http://www.apme.com/news/2005/060805anonymous.shtml http://www.apme.com/committees/credibility/061705apletter.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Fakeman Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 A couple of interesting articles are linked below. Apparantly it is not uncommon for newspapers to refuse to publish articles containing "anonymous sources." I guess if you're a freelance guy, you'll just find an outlet that will. Check out the Associated Press policy and the results of this survey of national newspapers:http://www.apme.com/news/2005/060805anonymous.shtml http://www.apme.com/committees/credibility/061705apletter.shtml Thanks man - everyone keeps battling me on my problem with "anonymous sources"... It's just how I feel...I take everything that I read, especially from the WP...who is hated by the Skins franchise, with a grain of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Hopefuly, Gibbs will retire soon and write the definitive "reveal all" book. My gut is that the article is just another perecption piece/argument that Gibbs ... a one-time "offensive genius" has assumed the roll of a detached CEO sitting on top of an unwieldy mangement structure. Not a way to run either an airline or an NFL team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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