yankstrat Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 No, I am not advocating selecting him with the 6th pick in the draft. Clearly Campbell is the guy and I, like most, liked what I saw from him. I mention Russell because for those who want the Skins to trade down from 6, there must be someone there that teams are dying to trade up for. I think history has shown that the QB spot is a position that teams may feel compelled to trade up to get. Assuming Quinn is long gone before 6, Russell could attract alot of attention as the next best QB in the draft. He may well be the kind of guy teams will draft up to get. I, for one, will watch the LSU game very closely and hope he has a big bowl game. P.S. I believe he is a junior so a big game will not only increase his draft position but likely guarantee his entry into the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderMustGo Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I'd take JaMarcus Russell over Campbell. I don't feel comfortable with Campbell at all. He seems so slow out there like he doesn't know what he is doing. The questionable accuracy and poor mechanics leave me very concerned. Hopefully we will work those things out in the off-season. But until I see it on the field next season, I can't begin to figure out why everyone is sure he is the guy. There are plenty of QBs who looked like JC out there who never could make it. That he is (possibly) an improvement over what we had does not mean "the Answer." It is not a guaranteed fact that he will get better. It's not a fait accompli. If Russell tears up the combine and JC doesn't appear to be making leaps and bounds of improvement in the off-season, then I would consider him at #6 for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I think we're more likely to get trade offers for someone like Calvin Johnson or Dawayne Jarrett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonMagicJuan Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Russell over CAMPBELL? you fans are either semi high or drunk...comments are unbelieveable at times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooley4President Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 If Russell tears up the combine and JC doesn't appear to be making leaps and bounds of improvement in the off-season, then I would consider him at #6 for sure. Because as we all know, a the most sure-fire way of projecting a QB's success in the pros is his performance at the combine. Why does everyone think that personnel evaluation is so hard when it only takes 7 games to judge the future performance of our first round quartberback? :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 If Russel has a good game tonight that will make it certain he comes out ... this will clinch the Skins getting a shot at Calvin Johnson at the 6th pik ... a shot they must take! My mock projection: Quinn, Russel, Thomas, Adams, Brohm or Branch, CJ or WJ or TG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjshipp Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I'd take JaMarcus Russell over Campbell. I don't feel comfortable with Campbell at all. He seems so slow out there like he doesn't know what he is doing. The questionable accuracy and poor mechanics leave me very concerned. Hopefully we will work those things out in the off-season. But until I see it on the field next season, I can't begin to figure out why everyone is sure he is the guy. There are plenty of QBs who looked like JC out there who never could make it. That he is (possibly) an improvement over what we had does not mean "the Answer." It is not a guaranteed fact that he will get better. It's not a fait accompli. If Russell tears up the combine and JC doesn't appear to be making leaps and bounds of improvement in the off-season, then I would consider him at #6 for sure. He may or may not be the guy, but why pick another QB at 6. JC at least needs next year to find out 1 way or another. There is no guarantee with the QB position look at Eli Manning all the hype in the world doesn't mean you can cut it. Jason will either improve and be the guy or he will not show improvement and we will be having this discussion next year. G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPortJGibbs89 Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I'd take JaMarcus Russell over Campbell. I don't feel comfortable with Campbell at all. He seems so slow out there like he doesn't know what he is doing. The questionable accuracy and poor mechanics leave me very concerned. Hopefully we will work those things out in the off-season. But until I see it on the field next season, I can't begin to figure out why everyone is sure he is the guy. There are plenty of QBs who looked like JC out there who never could make it. That he is (possibly) an improvement over what we had does not mean "the Answer." It is not a guaranteed fact that he will get better. It's not a fait accompli. If Russell tears up the combine and JC doesn't appear to be making leaps and bounds of improvement in the off-season, then I would consider him at #6 for sure. All I have to say to this is at one point in the second half he was 16-18 passing which is not accurate I guess. The two plays that broke down and he scrambled were absolutely disgusting. Campbell even said it himself he was finially getting comfortable again at the Qb position and getting into a rythm did you see those touch passes he threw to Randle El on the sideline???? This guy has slowly gotten better and better from game to game. Accuracy and mechanics can be fixed this off-season. It has only been 7 games and his last game was by far the best. He really really impressed in the last game. And I repeat we must take someone on the D-line in the draft we dont need anyone of offense that is not a problem right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Well, I can understand the thread starters sentiments... But the guy who commented about drafting Russell? You're not serious, are you? Campbell just had a pretty solid season. Not great. But better than we've been seeing. He's going to be fine. You propose we take an unproven college QB over a guy who showed improvement all season long? Pass the doobie this way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankstrat Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 As the thread starter I am surprised by the direction of the replies. I did not at all intend to turn this into a Campbell/Russell debate. There is no way the Skins take a QB at 6..let's get real. Campbell is the guy. The purpose behind the thread was my belief that QB was the type of position that teams would be willing to trade up for and he could be there when we pick. In order to trade down you need a willing partner to trade up. The trade partner may be more willing if there is a QB to be had. At worst, I am pulling for Russell because if he plays well and goes before 6 that drops a defensive player closer to our reach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 i hope russell tears it up so we could find a trading partner for the 6th pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooley4President Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 The purpose behind the thread was my belief that QB was the type of position that teams would be willing to trade up for and he could be there when we pick. In order to trade down you need a willing partner to trade up. The trade partner may be more willing if there is a QB to be had. You brought up a good point, people just ran with it in different directions. I hope Russell gets rave reviews at the combine and that he, Brady Quinn, and Brian Brohm are all sitting there in suits ready to be picked on draft day. Then I hope our phone starts ringing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPortJGibbs89 Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 As the thread starter I am surprised by the direction of the replies. I did not at all intend to turn this into a Campbell/Russell debate. There is no way the Skins take a QB at 6..let's get real. Campbell is the guy.The purpose behind the thread was my belief that QB was the type of position that teams would be willing to trade up for and he could be there when we pick. In order to trade down you need a willing partner to trade up. The trade partner may be more willing if there is a QB to be had. At worst, I am pulling for Russell because if he plays well and goes before 6 that drops a defensive player closer to our reach I was replying to SnyderMustGo about how he would like to draft Russel at the #6 spot I did not want that to take away from the topic but just reiterate that Campbell is the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shk75 Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 man i do not know what all the hype is about russel i mean he was almost benched at LSU for the backup because of his lack of accuracy and habit of making stupid throws that result in turnovers, plus his mechanics are so shot he just looks like another average at best QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 All I have to say to this is at one point in the second half he was 16-18 passing which is not accurate I guess. The two plays that broke down and he scrambled were absolutely disgusting. Campbell even said it himself he was finially getting comfortable again at the Qb position and getting into a rythm did you see those touch passes he threw to Randle El on the sideline???? This guy has slowly gotten better and better from game to game. Accuracy and mechanics can be fixed this off-season. It has only been 7 games and his last game was by far the best. He really really impressed in the last game. And I repeat we must take someone on the D-line in the draft we dont need anyone of offense that is not a problem right now. Don't forget, Campbell for one reason or another has also had recievers drop a fair number of his passes this year (maybe because the main guys are still use to a lefty and/or timing is still a problem). Saturday night, El dropped at least one sure completion and Moss dropped at least one more. Earlier this year, Lloyd dropped a couple and so did Cooley. Also, no one made the 'impossible' catch for Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-O-G Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 We should trade our 6th overall pick and next years 1st and 2nd to get Oaklands 1st overall pick to draft Brady Quinn! Please stop these threads, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHYSTER411 Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 To be fair this was not a draft a QB thread, the original idea has just gotten lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderMustGo Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 You propose we take an unproven college QB over a guy who showed improvement all season long? I was replying to SnyderMustGo about how he would like to draft Russel at the #6 spot Look... if you can't even be bothered to read what I actually wrote as opposed to what you think I wrote, then don't quote me. In fact, if you don't have reading comprehension skills, don't bother ever responding to any of my comments again. Kthx. __________ What I said was that JC still has some question marks. I do not think he improved mechanically over the 7 games and that worries me. So... what my comment was that if JC is not showing serious improvement in his accuracy and mechanics by draft time, then I would consider drafting a QB for insurance. He's been playing football for 6 years straight. He shouldn't have the mechanics and accuracy problems that he is having. Has he shown some good things? Of course! But I'm not one of these delusional homer fools who thinks merely because he has shown something that is (arguably) better than what we have, that means he is a Franchise QB. Being better than the trash we have had is a low threshold. Fact remains, his actual preformance is about average... not franchise qb. Hell, Romo sits to pee looked better, but does anyone here think Romo sits to pee is a franchise qb? I doubt it. Why can't we be even marginally objective in analyzing our own players? We haven't seen a franchice qb in decades, so most of our fans couldn't spot one with a map. As I said, if Campbell shows improvement, then great. I'll be his biggest fan. But he still has serious flaws that must be improved before we give him this team long term. And if he isn't showing improvement, and there is a qb that we see as a better prospect at #6 who is the BPA, then I would take him. I would hope that the "smartest fans in the league" could grasp that concept instead of reading everything I just wrote and reply as those have done above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderMustGo Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 And I will say it again for the cheap seats: If you are certain that JC is a franchise-caliber qb after his play this season, then you are a delusional homer. It may not be your fault: we are so desperate for a qb that an average one looks great to us. But there are still plenty of question marks with him that IF he doesn't improve, he won't be a solid starter in this league. We can hope that he will improve, but anyone declaring him "it" after just this season is nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPortJGibbs89 Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Look... if you can't even be bothered to read what I actually wrote as opposed to what you think I wrote, then don't quote me.In fact, if you don't have reading comprehension skills, don't bother ever responding to any of my comments again. Kthx. __________ What I said was that JC still has some question marks. I do not think he improved mechanically over the 7 games and that worries me. So... what my comment was that if JC is not showing serious improvement in his accuracy and mechanics by draft time, then I would consider drafting a QB for insurance. He's been playing football for 6 years straight. He shouldn't have the mechanics and accuracy problems that he is having. Has he shown some good things? Of course! But I'm not one of these delusional homer fools who thinks merely because he has shown something that is (arguably) better than what we have, that means he is a Franchise QB. Being better than the trash we have had is a low threshold. Fact remains, his actual preformance is about average... not franchise qb. Hell, Romo sits to pee looked better, but does anyone here think Romo sits to pee is a franchise qb? I doubt it. Why can't we be even marginally objective in analyzing our own players? We haven't seen a franchice qb in decades, so most of our fans couldn't spot one with a map. As I said, if Campbell shows improvement, then great. I'll be his biggest fan. But he still has serious flaws that must be improved before we give him this team long term. And if he isn't showing improvement, and there is a qb that we see as a better prospect at #6 who is the BPA, then I would take him. I would hope that the "smartest fans in the league" could grasp that concept instead of reading everything I just wrote and reply as those have done above. The draft is in April so you really think by April the coaches can determine that we need to draft a QB, I think we need to give Campbell the full season next year from day one before we can decide in two months that we need another QB. Funny how I am not the only one that replied to your comment. Just think its a little premature after Campbell had his best game of the year. The difference beteween him and Romo sits to pee is Romo sits to pee came out on fire now he is slowly getting worse, but yet Campbell has been steady from day one and keeps getting better. Sorry that I misread all your if's thens and buts, but thats what I got from your reading and so did somebody else, but I guess you hold the title as the smartest fan in the league and I am not worthy my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drex Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Campbell's earned the right to at least have the opportunity to become our franchise qb. As for Russell, hopefully a team would be willing to jump up in the draft and enable the skins to pick up some extra draft choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
str8jacket Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I think alot of teams are going to want to trade up and down. Word is Brady Quinn wants to go to Cleveland, not that you really get to select who drafts you. Somehow talk of Detroit once again going after a receiver, Calvin Johnson. And talk of the Raiders wanting Russell. Who knows how it will shake down, don't really care as long as it benefits the Skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I'd take JaMarcus Russell over Campbell. I don't think I had any problem reading what you said. But apparently, I don't have any reading comprehension skills, huh? Is that not what you said? Alrighty then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnt1gers Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 No, I am not advocating selecting him with the 6th pick in the draft. Clearly Campbell is the guy and I, like most, liked what I saw from him.I mention Russell because for those who want the Skins to trade down from 6, there must be someone there that teams are dying to trade up for. I think history has shown that the QB spot is a position that teams may feel compelled to trade up to get. Assuming Quinn is long gone before 6, Russell could attract alot of attention as the next best QB in the draft. He may well be the kind of guy teams will draft up to get. I, for one, will watch the LSU game very closely and hope he has a big bowl game. P.S. I believe he is a junior so a big game will not only increase his draft position but likely guarantee his entry into the draft Russell will be one of the biggest NFL busts ever. He has all the tools in the world, but lacks the mental aspect of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooley4President Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Russell will be one of the biggest NFL busts ever. He has all the tools in the world, but lacks the mental aspect of the game. Isn't that what alot of people were saying about Vince Young? He's not a statistical marvel yet, but he looks to have been worthy of a high pick. EDIT: the previous statement is in no way in support of drafting another QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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