Widget_5 Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Just a thought what about Albert Haynesworth, I remember reading that Jeff Fisher was thinking of not having him back next year, becuase of his stomping incident. We need help and after reading this I think our caoches might be able to keep him on track http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2718365 What do you think? P.S It was a cowboy he stepped on...we can forgive him for that, can't we :laugh: :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRMADD Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Sounds like the kind of "core Redskin" the front office is looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 id boo that piece of trash everytime he stepped on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaydana Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Yeah, let's bring in more guys with no character like B. Lloyd. Thanks Satan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 the character argument makes sense because it tends to affect their play overall. They will be more prone to drawing stupid penalties and whatnot, or become problems in the locker room at the first sign of failure. I would rather draft Alan Branch or someone else than bring in Haynesworth, who has a nice little history of problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sullivan Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Albert Haynesworth is certainly a gifted player who in terms of talent would be a great addition to this defensive line, especially if Cornelius Griffin is released to clear salary cap room. However in terms of statistics I am not sure that he really would be that much of an upgrade. He would probably want a multi-year deal that would be at least what Cornelius Griffin recieved when he signed in 2004, and in terms of stats here is a comparison-- 2006 Redskins starting Defensive Line: LE Andre Carter: 56 tackles, 6 sacks DT Kedric Golston: 44 tackles, 0.5 sacks DT Cornelius Griffin: 39 tackles, 1 sack, 1 forced fumble RE Phillip Daniels: 37 tackles, 3 sacks Here is what we would be adding: DT Albert Haynesworth: 30 tackles, 2 sacks I am not sure that's really worth the multi-year deal that we would be giving him, especially in light of the stomping incident. Even with the 5 game suspension if you compute these stats from 11 games to what he would have gotten over the full 16 game season, you would get-- 44 tackles, 3 sacks This is not the kind of addition that would greatly benefit our defensive line. Of course there are some stats that I was not able to find, like I don't know how it changed the behavior of the other team's running game when they took into account the fact that Albert Haynesworth was one in the defensive line. Maybe they ran outside more and this made them more one-dimensional, I don't know. However on their face the stats don't seem like he's worth a multimillion dollar deal that he would certainly command on the open market. Could he turn out to be great with a new team? Sure. However, when we sign free agents its important to remember that this is all about probability, and I would bet that there is a greater probability of him being a free agent bust or someone who is damaging to team chemistry than there is of him being incredibly successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRMADD Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I'm not in favor of bringing him in, but remember that stats for defensive tackles can be VERY misleading. Was he drawing double teams? Did teams run away from him? Take a look at the stats for the best DTs in the league. Often, their stat line looks pretty average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbnva Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I love that the rookie had more tackles than Griffin and Daniels and if my memory is right he did not start every game. BOO to the people who thinks he isn't any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Golston is good right now and next year will be even better ... but the Skins need run stuffing defensive ends and LARGE linebackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sullivan Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 That is definately true, I actually think that in football the way stats in general are kept is just terrible because they don't take into account a player's individual contribution or how they affect the behavior of the other team. Take for example a cornerback, say, Champ Bailey. His stats are good but they don't take into account the number of yards that the other team's top reciever doesn't get because the quarterback and the coaches know that Champ Bailey is the one who is covering him. Or with wide recievers sometimes their stats don't take into account the fact exactly the opposite equation: that the other players on their team get more yards because their opponent's top cornerback is covering them. By far the worst stats though are for quarterbacks, as things like QB rating take into account things like TD passes and Interceptions that often have little to do with how a quarterback performs. This may sound crazy but just hear me out here for a second. Have you ever been watching a game when the quarterback throws the ball right on target to a reciever who drops it in the endzone? With the way that stats are now collected, the quarterback is given an incompletion, and while the wide reciever is given a dropped pass, the QB doesn't get any credit for throwing the pass accurately into a position where the average reciever would be likely to catch it. If you have a great quarterback on a bad team his stats can be somewhat misleading as well. The worst stat though is interceptions, and this hit me just the other day when I was watching a college game where the reciever dropped it and the defender swooped in for an interception. The QUARTERBACK would have been given an interception on his stats despite the fact that the interception itself was the fault of the reciever. That's why its important to look at a player's individual contribution and figure out how much of their success was due to them and how much was due to the team that they played on. While obviously they don't talk about this I'd bet that there are coaches and general managers who do this and they are the ones who get the successful free agent acquisitions. Not only that but its also important not just to look at stats but to look at character, as a reciever who gets 1100 yards but is a terrible teammate may be actually less beneficial to their team than a reciever who gets 1000 yards but who is a great teammate and model citizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sullivan Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Golston is good right now and next year will be even better ... but the Skins need run stuffing defensive ends and LARGE linebackers. I agree with you about that but remember that if we have run-stopping defensive ends then they are going to tend to get fewer sacks. We must be sure that anyone who is a run-stopper is good enough at that to outweigh the drop in sacks (and quarterback pressure) that comes from having them in the starting lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbnva Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I am thinking more and more that we better grab a stud DE or DT player. There were 4 DEs drafted last year and they all started for their respected teams. Tamb Hali - 44 tackles, 8 Sacks, and 1 INT Mathias Kiwanuka - 44 tackles, 4 sacks, and 2 INT Mario (who needs reggie bush) Williams - 35 tackles, 4.5 sacks, and no INT Kamerion Wimbley - Dosen't really count because they changed him to a LB had 44 tackles and 11 Sacks. Damn what an impact for a former DE turned LB? especially as a rookie. I think this was the best pick Cleveland has ever made. I don't know what all of this really means, but just a little FYI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I am thinking more and more that we better grab a stud DE or DT player. There were 4 DEs drafted last year and they all started for their respected teams.Tamb Hali - 44 tackles, 8 Sacks, and 1 INT Mathias Kiwanuka - 44 tackles, 4 sacks, and 2 INT Mario (who needs reggie bush) Williams - 35 tackles, 4.5 sacks, and no INT Kamerion Wimbley - Dosen't really count because they changed him to a LB had 44 tackles and 11 Sacks. Damn what an impact for a former DE turned LB? especially as a rookie. I think this was the best pick Cleveland has ever made. I don't know what all of this really means, but just a little FYI Agreed. Call me crazy, but I still think Rogers will come around. We draft a corner with the 2nd pick, but we need help on the D-Line, especially tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Daniels had to surgically repair BOTH ankles. Yeah. We need to draft some d-lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 They should keep a stat like how many times a DT has collapsed the pocket. That would be a good thing to know. Or how many times a DT beat his blocker(s). That would give me more insight on him as a player instead of things like tackles and sacks, they don't tell you much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Is Evans still on the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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