barefoot Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 the ticket price hike was because of the new labor deal, not because we went to the playoffs, almost if not all teams raised their tix prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stwasm Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 Ah, ok...Um, just out of curiosity, how do you define "entire draft"??...lol We gave up third- and fourth-round picks for him. It may not be the "entire draft," but it certainly is a darned good portion of it that could have been used for building depth and grooming our own players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtyler42 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I love the Skins and I always will but this $#!T is getting really old, I'm already tired of the off-season and it's what 3 days old! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stwasm Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 I love the Skins and I always will but this $#!T is getting really old, I'm already tired of the off-season and it's what 3 days old! Well, buckle up because you have another 200-some-odd days to go! :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Please...First of all, it's been well known and EXTREMELY well documented that Gibbs and his staff have about a 95% say in who gets brought in and who does not...this lunacy about every player the Skins sign only being signed to "fill the seats" is so off base it's laughable. The Skins have "filled the seats" for something like 40 consecutive years lol...THAT'S one reason Snyder can raise the prices: suppy and demand. He doesn't raise the prices because he thinks "Ooooh, I just signed Brandon Lloyd! People will definitely fork over 15% more for their tickets now!"...The only owners who sign players solely (or primarily) for their perceived marketing value are owners who play to half-empty stadiums every weekend. And that ain't the Skins. You just argued my point. Dan Snyder knows that he can sign whoever he wants and do whatever he wants with the team because Redskins fans are so loyal that they won't stop buying tickets just because the team sucks. So he doesn't put any effort into establishing a good front office. Instead he just goes after these quick fixes that he thinks will be these diamond in the rough type finds. And instead we wind up with a bunch of overpriced lumps of coal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 And if Gibbs is in charge of 95% of what goes on, then why did Gibbs in the last press conference of the year say, "I'm going to go talk to Dan about making some decisions"? Don't believe the hype. Just because Snyder isn't in the media any more doesn't mean he isn't still in charge of player personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stwasm Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 And if Gibbs is in charge of 95% of what goes on, then why did Gibbs in the last press conference of the year say, "I'm going to go talk to Dan about making some decisions"? Don't believe the hype. Just because Snyder isn't in the media any more doesn't mean he isn't still in charge of player personnel. If it's true that Gibbs actually takes orders from Snyder, we're in worse trouble than I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phixius Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Ah, ok...Um, just out of curiosity, how do you define "entire draft"??...lol Dude can you not realize he being sarcastic when he said entire draft. Geeeezzz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Q: So despite Gibbs' willingness to make changes on the roster' date=' there won't be change in the front office? A: Nope. It would make too much sense, and it would require The Danny to cut ties with buddy Vinny Cerrato, which means a "football boss" isn't coming to Ashburn. And until Gibbs realizes he should concentrate on coaching and spend money on a football guy [b']instead of staying at the Ritz-Carlton in St. Louis[/b], the Redskins will be running in wet concrete. Someone sounds bitter. Did the WT put Ryan up at the Motel 6? Is that what took him & the rest of the WT posse so long to make it to the Press Box long after the rest of the local DC media? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 We gave up third- and fourth-round picks for him. It may not be the "entire draft," but it certainly is a darned good portion of it that could have been used for building depth and grooming our own players. I thought we gave up a 3rd this year and a 4th in the next draft...which would be two draft picks spread out over two years...that's not the "entire draft" nor is it even a "darned good portion of it". Well, I take that back...the Skins may have only had 4 draft picks left over those two years to begin with lol... :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Dude can you not realize he being sarcastic when he said entire draft. Geeeezzz. You're sarcastic if your point is to make fun of those people who feel we gave up too much to aquire Lloyd... You exaggerate if your point is to say we DID give up too much to aquire Lloyd... He wasn't being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 And if Gibbs is in charge of 95% of what goes on, then why did Gibbs in the last press conference of the year say, "I'm going to go talk to Dan about making some decisions"? Don't believe the hype. Just because Snyder isn't in the media any more doesn't mean he isn't still in charge of player personnel. You can't be serious... What rationale would--or could--anyone, anywhere, give for Gibbs to NOT discuss his offseason moves with the owner of the team??... I don't get you people sometimes...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 You can't be serious...What rationale would--or could--anyone, anywhere, give for Gibbs to NOT discuss his offseason moves with the owner of the team??... I don't get you people sometimes...lol http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5872 Read the article. Vinny is the GM and Snyder talks to other teams. No more mystery. Snyder means well. But his choice as GM is not a good decesion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5872Read the article. Vinny is the GM and Snyder talks to other teams. No more mystery. Snyder means well. But his choice as GM is not a good decesion. :doh: Besides the fact that nothing--I repeat, NOTHING--in the article deals with what I said earlier--that being that Snyder does not pick free agents to "fill the seats" instead of to win...the article also does not give evidence that Snyder and NOT Gibbs and his staff choose the players. For instance, is there any mention that Gibbs may have already made it known that they wanted Duckett and THAT'S why Cerrato contacted the involved teams?...Or do we make the asinine assumption that simply because Vinny does the contacting of teams (or certain teams) when decisions are made to go after someone that Gibbs must not have had any say-so in who they're going after? I mean, come on...lol :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 :doh:Besides the fact that nothing--I repeat, NOTHING--in the article deals with what I said earlier--that being that Snyder does not pick free agents to "fill the seats" instead of to win...the article also does not give evidence that Snyder and NOT Gibbs and his staff choose the players. For instance, is there any mention that Gibbs may have already made it known that they wanted Duckett and THAT'S why Cerrato contacted the involved teams?...Or do we make the asinine assumption that simply because Vinny does the contacting of teams (or certain teams) when decisions are made to go after someone that Gibbs must not have had any say-so in who they're going after? I mean, come on...lol :doh: The trades are the worst part of this team. I can deal with Lloyd at a low salary if you give up no draft picks. I can not deal with Lloyd if you give up a third and 4th round pick plus a 10 million dollar bonus. That is all on Vinny. It should not matter if Gibbs and the coachign staff say we like him. Vinny is the one doing the trades. He should say we could not get a deal done. I can deal with Duckette. Not for a third round pick. Again Vinny should of told Gibbs we could not get the deal done. I can deal with Portis for Bailey. Not with a second round pick. Again Cerrato should of told gibbs we could not get the deal done. I can deal with Brunell as a free agent. Not for a third round pick and 42 million. Again Cerrato should of told Gibbs we can not get the deal done. The trades are my serious problem. And the money they give out. I think Arch is a decent player at a low price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 The trades are the worst part of this team. I can deal with Lloyd at a low salary if you give up no draft picks.I can not deal with Lloyd if you give up a third and 4th round pick plus a 10 million dollar bonus. That is all on Vinny. It should not matter if Gibbs and the coachign staff say we like him. Vinny is the one doing the trades. He should say we could not get a deal done. That part I won't argue with...I thought you were responding to what I said in an earlier post about Lloyd, Duckett and Archuletta only being here because of Snyder and Vinny. I can deal with Duckette. Not for a third round pick. Again Vinny should of told Gibbs we could not get the deal done.I can deal with Portis for Bailey. Not with a second round pick. Again Cerrato should of told gibbs we could not get the deal done. I can deal with Brunell as a free agent. Not for a third round pick and 42 million. Again Cerrato should of told Gibbs we can not get the deal done. The trades are my serious problem. And the money they give out. I think Arch is a decent player at a low price. Again, I won't argue with any of that...I'm all for logical criticism of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 That part I won't argue with...I thought you were responding to what I said in an earlier post about Lloyd, Duckett and Archuletta only being here because of Snyder and Vinny.Again, I won't argue with any of that...I'm all for logical criticism of the team. That is the main problem with the team. What they sign guys for and what they give up in trades. I do not think anyone will argue when the redskins have all 22 starters they are as good as it gets. The talent evaluation is not the problem other than Arch. It is the money they pay for these guys and draft picks they give up. Thats all on Vinny and Snyder. Just because a coaching staff says i want this player does not mean you are gun point to make the deal. And it does not mean you have to over pay them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirtyfive2seven Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Vinny = Andyman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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