Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I do hope we see a little more stability this off-season. I hope they sign Dockery and any other needed veteran to keep some stability. They don't need a big splash in FA, maybe one high priced FA and please stop giving away draft choices for players. My only concern with this is that our defense was bad on a historical level. I'm not thrilled with the idea of brining back that entire unit, just with everyone one year older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uno Boss Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 At this point, if anyone was still reading your post I guarantee you they were drooling and staring blankly at the monitor by the end of it...Yes, you're so right, going 48 yards in two plays is most definitely deserving of derision and an eyeroll...who the hell wants an offense that can strike and score quickly when needed? You're also right in that moving the ball 70 yards in 7 plays should HARDLY be considered a professional NFL offensive drive...anyone can do that at will, and 70 yards is in reality no different than moving 5 yards. Doesn't prove squat. Seriously...I think there must have been a memo passed around over New Years Eve telling everyone to remove their logic brain cells before posting. The fact is last season we put up only 3 more points per game with a vet QB and a D that created 29 turnovers.... We made a few more big plays but overall our offense sucked last year..... Hail to the new Redskins.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkforhall Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Without starting a new thread I will put it here.Redskins football sucks and it's boring too boot! You have to be an idiot to think your going to line up and run the ball down someone's throat all game long. This team is so damn predictable it's not even funny! As a fan, I can predict what the hell were going to do on offense more than half the time. I can't imagine what other teams who actually breakdown our game films can predict. They were running it down people throats the last half of the season. It's not easy to predict what they are going to do. There is more then predicting plays then saying, it's a run, or it's a pass. You could see the opposing defenses run blitzing certain gaps, picking the wrong hole, and Betts running for 20. They were off balance the whole time, and always worried about when that long ball would come. Defense was the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalczak Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 This will be a very tough camp. Then of course all the chicken littles will complain that Gibbs style is outdated and he's injuring all the players. Interesting choice of words here. I seem to recall anyone who pointed out the OBVIOUSLY flaws this team had during Pre-season was being called 'chicken little' and quite heavily derided. In retrospect, it seems that these 'chicken littles' were correct. Given that, wouldnt it mean that they really weren't 'chicken littles' after all and were simply stating the facts that others, blinded by the previous year's playoff run, weren't seeing? So, I would be very careful about throwing that particular label on anyone seeking to criticize the team in the future.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLSKINSFAN Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 As a few people have said, Saunders leaving would be the horrible, for next year and the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 If we rushed for...103 yards against Minnesota (the #1 rush defense..) 28 of those yards were from Santana Moss. Neither of our backs broke 50 yards in that game. 90yards through 3 quarters against Dallas..(10th against the rush) Again, Moss had a 19 yard run and Brunell actually picked up 15 on the ground. Betts had 40 yards. 125 yards againt Tennesee (only 26 carries could have more here I agree) 51 of those yards were Moss and ARE. 117 against Dallas Most of Portis' yards came on one play. Even with that, he was rushing for under 4 a carry. Fact is, outside of the Texans and the Jags game, our run game was pretty animic. Granted, part of the problem was that the defense couldn't get off the field and that we weren't able to make critical passes, but our rushing stats were pretty poor. Also, there was a marked difference in how we were running the ball after Gibbs tirade. We actually remembered that we could run the ball inside again. I haven't seen too many sweeps in the latter half of the season. It seems like those plays always took too long to develop. I liked the article, BTW. It looks like through our struggles this year, we are finding something that will work for this team going forward. Really, the article didn't contain many surprises, since it was pretty obvious early on that this wasn't a simple retrofit, as it probably should have been. I don't know why Saunders thought otherwise, when it seemed that everyone was expecting Superbowl. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jivelikenice Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 You can't run every single game. Look at the finale as an example. I highly doubt Gibbs would be able to implement a passing game that would have been able to get us back in the game in such a short period of time. What WAS ironed out during the course of the season was whether or not this woul be a pass first or run first team. This does not mean it wasn't Saunders scheme in play. We need him to design running plays that are easier then the ones that got Portis beat up last year and we also need the passing game to compliment that running game. During our 5 game win streak to end the year last year, we only had two decent passing games.....If you add the playoffs into it; 5 out of 7 games we threw the ball terribly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Both Gibbs and Saunders systems work. The problem, as all my Eagles friends told me, was we stuck with Brunell way to long. And, our coaches were'nt on the same page. If your coaches aren't together, you can be sure your players won't be productive. This article actually gives me a lot of hope for next season, offensively. Can't wait to hear about how the defense fell apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMetal Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 This is the most demoralizing series of articles I have ever read. After reading this I feel like I don't even want to watch another game next year. I really wish someone could just write something about how we can turn it all around next year and be successful again. Don't those articles sell papers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbowman Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Also, there was a marked difference in how we were running the ball after Gibbs tirade. We actually remembered that we could run the ball inside again. I haven't seen too many sweeps in the latter half of the season. It seems like those plays always took too long to develop. Jason That's what I'd been yelling at the TV all year long. Saunders came in and all of a sudden our backs are constantly running around the corners instead of between the tackles. How're we supposed to establish a run to get the passing game going if we don't pound it up the middle and make them pack the front? I think that's the one of the major reasons Betts got his yards at the end of the season. It wasn't so much that the o-line was blocking better, but that the o-line was throwing the blocks they knew how to throw, and were a much larger part of the running game. The Redskins running game has always been built to be north-south oriented. That's something that stuck from the first Gibbs era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 This is the most demoralizing series of articles I have ever read.After reading this I feel like I don't even want to watch another game next year. I really wish someone could just write something about how we can turn it all around next year and be successful again. Don't those articles sell papers? Actually, I don't see how this article is demoralizing. Sure, it talks a lot of the problems we had during the season, but it looks like most of the problems that were happening have been ironed out and we can continue to move forward. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 That's what I'd been yelling at the TV all year long. Saunders came in and all of a sudden our backs are constantly running around the corners instead of between the tackles. How're we supposed to establish a run to get the passing game going if we don't pound it up the middle and make them pack the front? From what I gather from Saunders' offensive philosophy is that he uses the pass to set up the run, which is the opposite of how Gibbs works things. Problem is, it is hard to do that when the QB isn't really getting the ball down the field. It seems the Gibbs way works better with a guy like Brunell, where the Saunders way works better with Campbell. I think that's the one of the major reasons Betts got his yards at the end of the season. It wasn't so much that the o-line was blocking better, but that the o-line was throwing the blocks they knew how to throw, and were a much larger part of the running game. Well, the O-line was blocking better. The pass protection that Campbell got was much better than what Brunell got all year. I also remember Bugel saying something about buying into some of Saunders' blocking schemes, so it went both ways. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vipers24 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 with all this talk about saunders and his 700 page playbook and his no. 1 offenses, i believe the kansas city chiefs only made the playoffs 1 year in his five years there, and lost that playoff game to the colts...joe gibbs and his offense went to the playoffs 1 out of 2 years and won a game... saunders is so over-rated its almost funny... he wasn't the OC on st louis, martz was.. this guy won 0 playoff games and he's been treated like a god...it doesn't make any sense... we really screwed up changing everything around this year on offense, this artcile proves that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 the problems in KC were due to a bad defense...not Saunders offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRMADD Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Hey all you guys whining about the anonymous quotes and telling the players to "man up": Clinton Portis just did. And it ain't pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Pease Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Very good article. Thanks for posting it here. I do think that the entire offense started out of sync; trying to learn something new and that resulted in hesitation instead of playing aggressively. So going to a new offense took longer than most of us had thought for the team to get it going. I do believe that the team is finally sufficiently familiar with the offensive schemes and I hope Al is sufficiently familiar with the players strengths that the offense will be able to play well next season. I also was encouraged by Al's statement that this is Joe Gibbs team and he accepts Joe's leadership. While the post highlighted the growing pains and the difficulty that caused I felt it was an honest appraisal which is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan035 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 After reading the article, it certainly sounds like Gibbs and Saunders were not on the same page. I think Saunders has to go and Gibbs needs to take more control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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