Uno Boss Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 During the 5-game winning streak at the end of 2005, the Skins had scoring drives of:83 yds (TD) 80 yds (TD) 80 yds (TD) 79 yds (TD) 75 yds (TD) 72 yds (TD) 70 yds (TD) 70 yds (FG) 69 yds (TD) 63 yds (FG) 48 yds (TD) 45 yds (TD) 38 yds (TD) 37 yds (TD) 34 yds (TD) 22 yds (TD) 21 yds (TD) 21 yds (TD) 20 yds (TD) 0 yds (FG) Ten scoring drives of 60 yards or more Ten scoring drves of 50 yards or less What we had last year was big play ability with people like Portis, Moss, Cooley....the offense stunk up the joint.... Nice try with the spin of "scoring drives"..:laugh: Drives dont end in FG's...if you count those then we had the number one offense in the league this year.. But here are your "drives" from late last year... St Louis Game... scoring drives of 2 plays 48 yards....ended on a 47 yard TD by portis...what a drive.. 9 plays 63 yards and a 38 yard field goal...:notworthy 7 plays 69 yards( 60 yards came on two 30 yard plays) ended with a TD....if you call that a drive then cool...:applause: The last drive started at the St louis 45 yard line 9 plays 45 yards....:notworthy:notworthy how potent... Arizona Game 1st two drives of the game ended in INT's 1st scoring drive started at the ARI 23 yard line 4 plays 0 yards ended in a FG...:doh: 2nd scoring drive 13 plays 80 yards...:notworthy:notworthy keep in mind that the second play of the drive was a 16 yard pas to cooley.:applause: and the last two plays were a 15 yard penalty and 15 yard TD run by portis...you do the math on the other 10 plays of your "drive" The game against the Cardinals. had to be sealed by a return from a guy who walked off the street and is no longer with the team anymore The defense forced 4 TO's and the offense only scored 10 points...how potent... Nice try though...:laugh: Agains Dallas We started 4 TD drives inside the Cowboys 40..every other drive resulted in a punt or a TO... again nice try... The Giants game... The first TD was a drive....:applause: I wouldnt call 4 plays 70 yards a drive when the TD was a 59 yarders.... The next TD drive started at the NY 20 yard line... I wouldnt call 5 plays 81 yards a drive when the TD was a 72 yarder.. Every other drive was no longer than 4 plays and resulted in a TO or punts... Philly game 1st scoring drive is listed as a 75 yard drive because of starting at the washington 25 ...But we went 3 and out for the second straight time. the score was the result of a muffed punt that was recovered at the philly 37 yard line.. Philly never had possesion so it is considered part of our drive that started at our 25..you get no credit for that one.. again nice try though...:laugh::laugh: I wouldnt call 11 plays 70 yards a drive when it ends in a FG...and (41 yards come on 1 play:rolleyes:) I also wouldnt call 6 plays 72 yards a drive when 54 yards come on 1 play.. The next three drives were 11 plays a total of 33 yards and all punts... The last TD drive started at the philly 22 and was 1 play 22 yards Clinton Portis.... Our next two drives were 3 plays -2 yards punt 6 plays 21 yards punt The defense had to seal the victory.... once again nice try..... Do i really need to break down the playoffs...?.....:rolleyes: We sucked down the strectch last year..... I think what you should have said is We had big plays down the stretch but the whole drive thing as a complete offense was horrible considering how much we had the ball... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted January 2, 2007 Author Share Posted January 2, 2007 E-Dog, the offense was CERTAINLY a big part of the problem during the first half of the season when, aside from the Texans game, it literally could not find the end zone when it was away from FedEx Field. By the time the change to Campbell was made the season was lost. It will be interesting to see how much tomorrow's article on Williams and the D overlaps with the Friend ESPN article. But the article Bryant wrote in today's paper was much needed.......the change in offensive philosophy with Saunders may bear fruit in the future for this team, but it seemed to have disastrous short-term results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimpey42000 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I have a subscription to the Washington Post and to be quite honest I think that it's bias reporting when things were all good at the end of last year there was bias. This year's 5-11 team bias. It really doesn't matter what kind of reporting is going on here. The Post finds some way to make an extra buck for every paper too, sort of like Danny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Fakeman Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I hate the Washington Post...and I hate the media in general...but then again...I'm a Republican...living in Maryland. It's way too easy to make a deadline by saying "This guy said this"..."This player thinks this..." And... "...this was said by a player who spoke on the condition of anonymity" GTFO of here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Dog Night Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 E-Dog, the offense was CERTAINLY a big part of the problem during the first half of the season when, aside from the Texans game, it literally could not find the end zone when it was away from FedEx Field. By the time the change to Campbell was made the season was lost. There's truth to what you say, and as I mentioned, the offense was far from flawless. But how many offenses are flawless? In reality, none. They have their ebbs and flows, weeks where everything is clicking, weeks where they can't put the ball in the end zone. But if you look at the season over the aggregate of all the games, the one constant was terrible, mind-numbing defense; a turnover-barren turnstile of repugnant quality. Of course, there were injuries. But Every team has injuries, and most don't fall apart like a badly made burrito. They were 2nd-worst in total defense and set an NFL record - by a good margin - for fewest turnovers created during a sixteen game season. It's the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I love Saunders. The offense was up and down all year for a lot of reasons -- not all of them his. By the end of the year, it was really clicking. Gibbs should just leave him alone. "Joe Gibbs" football hasn't won many games since he came back. You have to take chances in the NFL today, especially when your defense is terrible. The worst thing that could happen this offseason is Saunders leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 The worst thing that could happen this offseason is Saunders leaving. Despite the public statements of both men, Gibbs and Saunders, leaving the Skins would be best move for Al's career. In his shoes, I'd have my agent inquire about Denny Green's job at Arizona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Listen the facts are that the generation gap between the coaching staff and the players is huge. too many of the players are wrroed about pulling honeys/ho's at FUR/H2O,GLOW,Zanibars and other places. Saunders might as well be speaking Greek to a vast majority of players.Its all about the p****, cash and the next party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness09 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I have great empathy for anybody who believes any of this negative, fabricated bs Howard Bryant constructed. I love how he has special access to all these anonymous players and coaches. Oh boy, I'm sure our entire team and staff are just chomping at the bit to interview with some nobody reporter from the Post and create more turmoil. The Washington Post has become really sad. If I had a a quarter for every time the Post phrased the word "anonymous" this year, I'd be rich. Gibbs players know not better than to open their traps and vent to the media and if they are then they aren't Gibbs players period. Al Saunders and Joe Gibbs are both offensive masterminds and can happily coexist as seen in our success this season. I don't feel there has ever been any tension between them and obviously the author is trying to stir the pot and create some buzz since there is yet again no headlines in January for the Skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uno Boss Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Despite the public statements of both men, leaving the Skins would be best move for Al's career. In his shoes, I'd have my agent inquire about Denny's Green's job at Arizona. Oh god please dont say that....:doh::doh: If that happens I hope we keep his scheme in place since Campbell is getting familiar with it now. The QB's coach bill lazor knows the system in an out now so he could be promoted to coordinator..... I just dont want gibbs calling the plays again...:doh: Can you imagine what it would have been like with a predictable Gibbs II offense and a D this bad?...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted January 2, 2007 Author Share Posted January 2, 2007 I don't know........have we determined who exactly was calling the plays in the time period after Gibbs went off in the incident mentioned in the article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uno Boss Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I don't know........have we determined who exactly was calling the plays in the time period after Gibbs went off in the incident mentioned in the article? Gibbs said it himself that Suanders was calling the plays even after the meetingwith the team..... The only thing we benefited from was playing against the worst run defenses in the league thos last games after his speech....We had been running the ball well all season...even before they bought into the system.. If we rushed for... 103 yards against Minnesota (the #1 rush defense..) 90yards through 3 quarters against Dallas..(10th against the rush) 234( 3 rush TD's) against houston by far the most they gave up all year. 152 yards Jax jaguars....(#3 against the run ) 125 yards againt Tennesee (only 26 carries could have more here I agree) 117 against Dallas 146 against Philly the firts time Its clear that we have been running the ball well from the start ....The problem was we would not complete passes down the middle of the field or down field period in some cases... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwitt Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I have great empathy for anybody who believes any of this negative, fabricated bs Howard Bryant constructed. I love how he has special access to all these anonymous players and coaches. Oh boy, I'm sure our entire team and staff are just chomping at the bit to interview with some nobody reporter from the Post and create more turmoil. The Washington Post has become really sad. If I had a a quarter for every time the Post phrased the word "anonymous" this year, I'd be rich. Gibbs players know not better than to open their traps and vent to the media and if they are then they aren't Gibbs players period. Al Saunders and Joe Gibbs are both offensive masterminds and can happily coexist as seen in our success this season. I don't feel there has ever been any tension between them and obviously the author is trying to stir the pot and create some buzz since there is yet again no headlines in January for the Skins. Unfortunately, our front office shares your line of thinking. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I think Saunders will be back, and I don't think this is as big of a deal as some think. Gibbs wanted help with the passing game and play calling, but he didn't expect Al to come in and run such a pass-heavy, finesse kind of offense. The players as well as Gibbs were pissed they got away from physical, smashmouth play, and gibbs ultimately corrected the problem. The offense started to roll at the end of the season, but the defense just couldn't stop anybody when Springs and Washington went out. Gibbs and Saunder will work together through the offseason to make sure that the passing game is effective, but that the team is still a running the ball and playing physical football. Campbell will have the offseason to really learn the offense and develop chemistry with the receivers. This is going to be a damn good offense next year, it's the defense we should be worried about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Also, noone has mentioned the most important piece of info that came out of the article: Gibbs reinforced the November speech with muscle. Leading up to the Redskins' home game against Carolina on Nov. 26, he shortened practices but increased their intensity. November in the NFL is a time when teams rarely use pads in practice, but Gibbs ordered the opposite. The Redskins held full-contact practices on Wednesdays and Thursdays. Everything in practice was done at Sunday-level game speed. "We had some statements made by some great players on other football teams that said, 'That's not a Joe Gibbs type of team,' because they knew who we were and what we were all about. That kind of offended us. I knew it hurt Joe," said Joe Bugel, Gibbs's longtime lieutenant and the Redskins' assistant head coach-offense. "Just playing in the NFC East made it that way, and we never wanted to be considered soft or finesse. That word doesn't go well with Joe. When we heard that, it struck a nerve. And then he laid the cards on the table." I absolutely guarantee you that we won't be hearing about an easy training camp this year. Gibbs has already gotten back to full speed, practicing with pads. This will be a very tough camp. Then of course all the chicken littles will complain that Gibbs style is outdated and he's injuring all the players. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 This story shows Gibbs' willingness to let someone perform, but when they don't, he makes changes.. That's exactly what Snyder should do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
project myu Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I haven't really formulated an opinion, but these quotes really stood out to me. Against the 0-5 Titans, right guard Randy Thomas was disturbed. "Man, they were rotating the same guys in the fourth quarter as they did in the first," Thomas said of the Titans' defensive line. "They weren't tired at all. What the hell?" "When," Samuels said, "are we going to stop sissy blocking?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 A couple of points. First, the defense article comes out next, I believe tomorrow. Regarding the Post, at 5-11, I don't understand the criticism some of the posters here are complaining about. I am not saying the Post doesn't get things wrong, but the two articles probably are not that far off the truth. In the past the Post was dead wrong, but Nuno is long gone. I think Gibbs and Saunders will sit down and iron some things out in the off-season. I don't completely buy the players comments about smash mouth football. Like the article said, the AFC does not contain whimpy Oline's that just pass block. I think the Oline just started playing better. Saunders still called sweeps in the second half of the season in addition to plays up the middle. Heck the couple of plays Brunell came in the Oline sucked. I was at the game, and maybe I was wrong, but it just didn't seemed they didn't block as well for him instead of JC. Edit: I do believe they should go back to grinding down defenses with runs up the middle. However, you mix in Saunder-type pass plays to have a balance of run-pass plays. I hope they can bring Lloyd around, but he just might be too much of a head case. Why they didn't figure that out before signing him is a mystery. The one move I want to see in the FO is the replacement of Vinny. Get someone that can evaluate talent. It does not have to have GM by title, just someone that knows talent. Vinny prepares a list of players to the coaches. Vinny didn't prepare a very good list last year and I don't think has done an accepable job at evaluating talent. If they want to keep him for other duties that's ok. Just get someone that can evaluate talent and run the scouting program I am curious to read about the defense because the collapse of the defense contributed more to our record than the offense lack of production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 What we had last year was big play ability with people like Portis, Moss, Cooley....the offense stunk up the joint....Nice try with the spin of "scoring drives"..:laugh: Drives dont end in FG's...if you count those then we had the number one offense in the league this year.. But here are your "drives" from late last year... St Louis Game... scoring drives of 2 plays 48 yards....ended on a 47 yard TD by portis...what a drive.. 9 plays 63 yards and a 38 yard field goal...:notworthy 7 plays 69 yards( 60 yards came on two 30 yard plays) ended with a TD....if you call that a drive then cool...:applause: At this point, if anyone was still reading your post I guarantee you they were drooling and staring blankly at the monitor by the end of it... Yes, you're so right, going 48 yards in two plays is most definitely deserving of derision and an eyeroll...who the hell wants an offense that can strike and score quickly when needed? You're also right in that moving the ball 70 yards in 7 plays should HARDLY be considered a professional NFL offensive drive...anyone can do that at will, and 70 yards is in reality no different than moving 5 yards. Doesn't prove squat. Seriously...I think there must have been a memo passed around over New Years Eve telling everyone to remove their logic brain cells before posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Also, noone has mentioned the most important piece of info that came out of the article: I absolutely guarantee you that we won't be hearing about an easy training camp this year. Gibbs has already gotten back to full speed, practicing with pads. This will be a very tough camp. Then of course all the chicken littles will complain that Gibbs style is outdated and he's injuring all the players. :laugh: On a scale of ten, when compared to the importance of our roster-building philosophy and the on-field schemes, whether our training camp should be hard or soft rates about a .006 to me. It's a subjective choice that can be argued either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 On a scale of ten, when compared to the importance of our roster-building philosophy and the on-field schemes, whether our training camp should be hard or soft rates about a .006 to me. It's a subjective choice that can be argued either way. OK, but the article wasn't about roster-building philosophies, and we didn't learn much new about the scheme. They decided to run the ball more and play more physical at the end of the season, we already knew that. There was a ton of complaining on ES about the easy camp last year. I thought it was a legit complaint. If you want to play physical, you have to practice physical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 There was a ton of complaining on ES about the easy camp last year. I thought it was a legit complaint. If you want to play physical, you have to practice physical. As I said, it can be argued either way. If you practice physical, you run the risk of more injuries. With a thin, veteran roster that can't afford injuries, it doesn't sound smart to me. If I want a team that plays physical, I'll recruit physical players. Personally though, I prefer smart players who are strong on technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Clause Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 This article really makes me start to dislike everything about this team. Gibbs offense was outdated and the players need to stop whining and reminiscing about their lucky run to the playoffs last year. The main problem this year with the offense was Brunell. Plain and simple. As far winning--the defense. Gibbs' offense, like his personnel strategy, is better suited for the 90's. Conservative football does not win anymore with the parity in terms of talent. You have to take chances. This is also the problem with having all of these free agents on the team. They don't even accept what the coaches are telling them. When you have a constant influx of talented rookies like most normal teams, they don't question the style, they just play. Like they're supposed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trez Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Brunell was clearly not the answer at QB, new system or not. He had his moments in 2005, but lost it towards the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I do hope we see a little more stability this off-season. I hope they sign Dockery and any other needed veteran to keep some stability. They don't need a big splash in FA, maybe one high priced FA and please stop giving away draft choices for players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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