hail2skins Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 This one focuses on Saunders. Read and discuss. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/01/AR2007010101001.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Thanks for posting that. I'm getting very tired of reading these: said a Redskins player, who, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity because he did not want to be viewed as being publicly critical of the team. Man up or keep your mouth shut. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Sad. Just sad. For so many reasons.... I'm just really disappointed in Joe Gibbs right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowplay Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Thanks for posting that.That's real easy to say when you're not the guy they'll fire/cut for opening your mouth. I'm getting very tired of reading these: Man up or keep your mouth shut. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallntfox Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Kudos to those of you that suggested that Saunders was lobbying for Collins to replace Brunell...you were spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 It's like Gibbs couldn't admit that Brunell was that bad so he had to revamp the whole system instead of going after a real QB and another receiver. He cites the Bucs playoff game? Brunell had 25 passing yards in that game. My son could have had 25 passing yards in that game. That is just pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 ""The NFC East is about brutality, about kicking someone's ass," said a high-ranking Redskins coach, who asked not to be identified. "[bill] Parcells, [Tom] Landry, Philadelphia, Joe Gibbs. It's not about yards. When we get a two-yard run up the middle, we applaud, because we know we've taken something out of that defense, and we'll keep taking it until we've beaten them down."" Man, this is what myself and probably 1/2 of this board was saying since game 1 this year. We played weak run defenses week after week early in the season didn't run the damned ball at them. A few of those games would easily have been wins if we had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Wu Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 "Even so, it became clear from the start of training camp that neither Gibbs nor Saunders appreciated how different Saunders's offense was. No one understood this better than Brunell, who would study daily during the summer with Collins, who played under Saunders for six years in Kansas City. At times during training camp, Brunell would grow frustrated at the complexity of the new offense. Collins would tell him to relax, that it took about a year to learn. "I don't have a year," Brunell told Collins. "I've got less than 30 days."" That's a revealing tidbit. This article series is the best I've ever read in the Post, which is saying something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uno Boss Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Good read... You should change the thread title this may get lost or have alot of repeat threads.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fede Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 This article leaves me with the feeling that the best way to approach to offseason is to execute rather than change. We can build off of what we started this season--especially with Jason Campbell, and work on Saunder's offense. If we go back now, we will undo all the progress we made, and end up back to learning rather than playing. Saunder's offense was starting to click in the final weeks--it's not often we put up 28 points plus and lose. Consistency is what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseGoForTheWin Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 At times during training camp, Brunell would grow frustrated at the complexity of the new offense. Collins would tell him to relax, that it took about a year to learn."I don't have a year," Brunell told Collins. "I've got less than 30 days." This is rough, and it makes me feel for Mark. I have a feeling that he was the guy in the article who said that all they needed was another receiver and some minor adjustments, but instead ended up starting over. It's got to be tough to have been so successful a year before and, so late in your career when you're looking at taking your last best shot at glory, to have something like this thrown upon you. Mark has been a scapegoat, which is too bad because with the exception of the tail end of last year, he showed that he could excel in Gibbs' system. Anyway, the O seems to have come together, even if it did take the entire season for it to have happened. It's the D that I'm worried about now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Emrys Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Even though things didn't go as he planned, even though there was friction between he and Gibbs, even though he made some bad decisions, Saunders still sounds like a classy guy. It really sounds like he's doing his best to make it work. I beleive he, Gibbs, and (most of) the players will. A guy like Brandon Lloyd could learn a lot from Saunders approach. However, I don't think that's going to happen. Lloyd is a waste. As for Gibbs, I hope that he scraps this damn CEO approach. If he had been straight forward and told Saunders, in clear terms, what he wanted from the O, things probably wouldn't have been so rough. Gibbs is the Head Coach for a reason. He needed to act like it much sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmiJo Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Sad. Just sad. For so many reasons.... I'm just really disappointed in Joe Gibbs right now. Why so? Because he chose to reassert his identity or because he brought is Saunders in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dahogs Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I'd say that this article re-enforces my (and many other fans) feelings that the problems with our offense this season have been more about the "X's" and "O's" rather than the "Billy's" and the "Joe's". Defensively, the opposite is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Wow!! the more i read these articles, the more i'm convinced that its not so much the player's fault in this, then it is the powers that control this thing. I think it really is what guys like Moss suggest that: "We don't call the plays". You can tell from those statements that they really aren't on the same page on what should be done. Furthermore, i'm dissappointed that the players appear to know more about what works then the actual coaching staff. I mean come on, you mean to tell me that after all of the preparation and OTA's in the offseason, and you still can't figure this stuff out by the beginning of the season? And then they feed us this "we're ok, we only use 2% of the playbook" crap. No!!, the reality was that the players and coaches weren't on the same page. It was too much for the players to grasp. And it leads me to believe that Saunders was really trying to teach them the entire 700 pages of that playbook. I'm saddened and disappointed of the supposed structure of this organization. And to imagine that people go into convultions when you mention that we really need a GM, or atleast someone who knows football, and has the balls enough to tell Joe and Danny NO, damn it!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishomelette Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Very irritating...It almost seems that we would've had better line play just by emphasizing power football, and then transitioning in any exotic passing. A psychological transition took place way too late in the season which translated into recognizable OL play. The defense problems still blow the doors off any on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRMADD Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Another shovelful of dirt on this disaster of a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 "Even so, it became clear from the start of training camp that neither Gibbs nor Saunders appreciated how different Saunders's offense was. No one understood this better than Brunell, who would study daily during the summer with Collins, who played under Saunders for six years in Kansas City. At times during training camp, Brunell would grow frustrated at the complexity of the new offense. Collins would tell him to relax, that it took about a year to learn."I don't have a year," Brunell told Collins. "I've got less than 30 days."" That's a revealing tidbit. This article series is the best I've ever read in the Post, which is saying something. I don't think it was too revealing...it just meant that the season started in 30 days and he had to get it all down before then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Very irritating...It almost seems that we would've had better line play just by emphasizing power football, and then transitioning in any exotic passing. A psychological transition took place way too late in the season which translated into recognizable OL play.The defense problems still blow the doors off any on offense. That's coming in the next article, I think lol.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 That's coming in the next article, I think lol.... yeah, you definately have to save the best for last... everyone get your lemonade, popcorn, and napkin ready... :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 That's real easy to say when you're not the guy they'll fire/cut for opening your mouth. I'm not feeling sorry for professional football players. If they're going to get fired for mouthing off then maybe they shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I'm not feeling sorry for professional football players. If they're going to get fired for mouthing off then maybe they shouldn't. I've seen you express these thoughts before and they're just as invalid and absurd as the first time you typed them. It's pretty clear that the atmosphere that GIbbs would LIKE to have at the camp is not what is being created. Lots of guys won't publicly come out to the paper because they might end up on the bench or a scapegoat like Archuleta. It's also clear it takes an awful lot for things to change with this team and a LOT OF our problems have come about as a result of Gibbs and his approach to the structure and environment. If the coach/president is unaccountable, then publicly leaking the stuff is the only way to see any POSSIBILITY of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I don't think it was too revealing...it just meant that the season started in 30 days and he had to get it all down before then. Uhh, no. Read a bit more closely. A guy like Campbell wouldn't have too much of a problem in being patient for a year because he knows he has time in this league. Brunell knew he was likely done after this year and thus only had THIS season. Which also explains some of his decision-making and the pathetic 'joke'-plea he made to Ayodele. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 yeah, you definately have to save the best for last... everyone get your lemonade, popcorn, and napkin ready... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Uhh, no. Read a bit more closely. A guy like Campbell wouldn't have too much of a problem in being patient for a year because he knows he has time in this league.Brunell knew he was likely done after this year and thus only had THIS season. Which also explains some of his decision-making and the pathetic 'joke'-plea he made to Ayodele. Uh, that's what I was basically saying lol...and to me, Brunell saying he doesn't have the luxury of learning this new system over the next few years is not revealing in the least. "Gotta learn it now, by the time this season starts"...wow, insightful. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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