thinker Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 1) Brunell – 3rd round pick traded for a player who was going to be cut anyway. He was given a monster contract. He showed that he no longer had the athleticism or heart to be a winner in Washington. He delayed for 2 ½ years the process of trying out a potential young franchise qb. 2) Not re-signing Antonio Pierce – by short changing him a little bit of money. He’s been steadfast in NY – we’re shorthanded and small in the middle. 3) Replacing Walt Harris with Kenny Wright. All you haters from last year – look at Harris’ stats from this year. 4) Not re-signing Ryan Clark. Nuff said. 5) Signing Archuleta. Nuf said. 6) Trading a 3rd and a 4th rounder for Brandon Lloyd and giving him a new contract when he was still under his rookie contract. May be that we even cut him this offseason. 7) Trading a 3rd and s 4th rounder for T. J. Duckett. He’s an UFA. Bye Bye. 8) Trading Champ Bailey for Portis and a 2nd rounder. At the time Denver said they would give us their 1st rounder for Bailey or give us Portis for a 1st and 2nd rounder. We mixed the two into one. Do you know who we could have picked with the Broncos’ 1st rounder? Stephen Jackson. A pro-bowler this year – runner in the Gibbs mold playing in his rookie contract for peanuts compared to Portis. This is no knock on Portis - he is a beast. Just not worth the price we paid. And we would have been better off going a different way. 9) Trading a HIGH 2nd rounder to move a few spots to pick Rocky MacIntosh and then not playing him all year anyway. 10) Signing FA David Patten – he’s done NOTHING in two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin11 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Rocky seems to be a positive move. He is already making plays. Why would we want Jackson if we could get Portis? Brunell led us to a playoff berth and a win. Duckett was an idiotic move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgraw238 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Rocky seems to be a positive move. He is already making plays. Why would we want Jackson if we could get Portis? Brunell led us to a playoff berth and a win. Duckett was an idiotic move. Rocky was a reach and would have been there when we picked. Jury still out on the guy otherwise. I think the point on Jackson is that he is cheap and puts up huge numbers. Also, he didn't cost Champ and a 2nd. Brunell rode Portis and the defense to a playoff berth and win. The guy was awful during that stretch. See playoff game versus Tampa and Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinker Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 Rocky seems to be a positive move. He is already making plays. Why would we want Jackson if we could get Portis? Brunell led us to a playoff berth and a win. Duckett was an idiotic move. Rocky looks like he might be a good player. But we gave up a 2nd and a 3rd round pick for him. You only do that to get a player who is going to make an impact right away. The 2nd round pick we gave up to move up a few spots to get him will end up being pick number 38 or so in this year's draft. AND we didn't even play him so we don't have any idea of how good he'll be. That's just too much. Why would we want Jackson when we could get Portis? Again Portis is a great back. But is he so much better than Jackson who is more of a Gibbs type power back - a pro-bowler this year. And he is being paid probably something like $15 million over 5 years instead of a $20 million bonus in the first year of a $50 + million contract. The running game led us to the playoffs last year with Brunnel limping along the side trying not to lose games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsand521 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Wow, I didn't know about being able to take Stephen Jackson with the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Made Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 What about not trading Pat Ramsey for Miami's 19th overall pick in the 2004 draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinker Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 What about not trading Pat Ramsey for Miami's 19th overall pick in the 2004 draft? Excellent point - that non-move should definitely be in the top ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDOG510 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Great post! I agree with all of this. SJ is a stud- much better back than Portis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APBT Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 1) Brunell – 3rd round pick traded for a player who was going to be cut anyway. He was given a monster contract. He showed that he no longer had the athleticism or heart to be a winner in Washington. He delayed for 2 ½ years the process of trying out a potential young franchise qb.2) Not re-signing Antonio Pierce – by short changing him a little bit of money. He’s been steadfast in NY – we’re shorthanded and small in the middle. 3) Replacing Walt Harris with Kenny Wright. All you haters from last year – look at Harris’ stats from this year. 4) Not re-signing Ryan Clark. Nuff said. 5) Signing Archuleta. Nuf said. 6) Trading a 3rd and a 4th rounder for Brandon Lloyd and giving him a new contract when he was still under his rookie contract. May be that we even cut him this offseason. 7) Trading a 3rd and s 4th rounder for T. J. Duckett. He’s an UFA. Bye Bye. 8) Trading Champ Bailey for Portis and a 2nd rounder. At the time Denver said they would give us their 1st rounder for Bailey or give us Portis for a 1st and 2nd rounder. We mixed the two into one. Do you know who we could have picked with the Broncos’ 1st rounder? Stephen Jackson. A pro-bowler this year – runner in the Gibbs mold playing in his rookie contract for peanuts compared to Portis. This is no knock on Portis - he is a beast. Just not worth the price we paid. And we would have been better off going a different way. 9) Trading a HIGH 2nd rounder to move a few spots to pick Rocky MacIntosh and then not playing him all year anyway. 10) Signing FA David Patten – he’s done NOTHING in two years. Good stuff. How about geting rid of Antonio Peirce, Arrington, smoot. How about the signing Warrick Holdman and Andre Carter? (who both suck in run support) How about starting Campbell to late who obviously would have flourished if given a chance earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walking Deadman Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 I would like to state this again. WE WOULD HAVE LOST CHAMP ANYWAY!!!!!! He did NOT (I REPEAT NOT) want to stay here, no matter what Snyder offered him. He was gone. My problem with the trade was that we gave up a 2nd for Portis. If it was a straight up trade it would have been fine. The loss of a second rounder with the fact that we drafted Champ in the 1st round and CP was a 2nd rounder just shows how easily the FO gives up too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blighty Skins Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 A few of them I agree with.... but it's the same with every sports team out there which is underperforming i.e. the fans come out with a post like this forgetting that with hindsight everything looks obvious. You know, I'd be more impressed if you made a post titled "10 worst personnel decisions Gibbs WILL make in the next 2 years". Make your list of 10, then over a period of 2 years compare how many you've gotten right. Otherwise... :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTerps2002 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Releasing Trotter should be number 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APBT Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Releasing Trotter should be number 1 Yeah, was that Gibbs?? If so then yeah. He is a beast and is on every play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinker Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 I would like to state this again.WE WOULD HAVE LOST CHAMP ANYWAY!!!!!! He did NOT (I REPEAT NOT) want to stay here, no matter what Snyder offered him. He was gone. My problem with the trade was that we gave up a 2nd for Portis. If it was a straight up trade it would have been fine. The loss of a second rounder with the fact that we drafted Champ in the 1st round and CP was a 2nd rounder just shows how easily the FO gives up too much. My list didn't say it was a mistake to trade Bailey - you're correct he was tired of the deal here and the only way we could have kept him was to franchise him. I just said we made a bad deal in what we got for him in the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 I think Gibbs should have gone after Larry Johnson at the time instead of Portis. I'm fine with Portis but I have a very, very, very hard time not believing that Larry Johnson would have been absolutely awesome in this offense. Larry Johnson should have been the guy and I am amazed that Gibbs did not go after him. Larry Johnson would be wearing the B&G if the decision were mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinker Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 Releasing Trotter should be number 1 Philly's system is probably the only one that Trotter would be good in. He basically crahes the line most plays and hopes he picks the right hole. They also have great corners and safeties to cover for him if he misses. He wasn't a good fit for the read and react/disciplined defensive system we want our lb's to play here. We also ask our mlb to cover te's and rb's out of the backfield and sometimes even slot wr's - something Trotter can't do well at all. Trotter's signing in the first place was a mistake. Cutting him was a recognition of the original mistake. Gibbs saying it was a mistake to let him go was his being nice and not riling him up since we play him twice a year. Make no mistake the team never actually regretted letting him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinker Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 A few of them I agree with.... but it's the same with every sports team out there which is underperforming i.e. the fans come out with a post like this forgetting that with hindsight everything looks obvious.You know, I'd be more impressed if you made a post titled "10 worst personnel decisions Gibbs WILL make in the next 2 years". Make your list of 10, then over a period of 2 years compare how many you've gotten right. Otherwise... :2cents: My hope is that Gibbs will never make a mistake again. The following possible actions, imo would be mistakes: 1) Not re-signing Dockery 2) Not trading down in the draft for additional picks and adding inexpensive young players to the roster (assuming that a reasonable offer for our pick is made) 3) Bringing back Brunell - unless it's at a greatly reduced price 4) Not adding younger depth and development players at dline, lb, and defensive backfield 5) Overpaying a cb in free agency like Clements (if we are to sign a FA cb I'd prefer paying less for a younger Samuels from NE) 6) Drafting in ANY round this year another rb or fb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 1) Brunell – 3rd round pick traded for a player who was going to be cut anyway. I've seen this a few times and it's completely false. Say what you want about Brunell, his contract, and the compensation we sent J-villes way but there were just multiple teams interested in him. He going somewhere in a trade. We offered the most - both make no mistake - he was in demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Great post! I agree with all of this. SJ is a stud- much better back than Portis. ???? Portis has had 3 1,500 yard seasons Jackson just had his first 1,500 yard season this year....Portis has already had 3 and he's a great pass blocker.....Jackson is a stud but a "much better back?" :doh: . Portis has proven himself more.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 The list would be better if it is 10 worst decesions under the Snyder era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinker Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 I've seen this a few times and it's completely false. Say what you want about Brunell, his contract, and the compensation we sent J-villes way but there were just multiple teams interested in him. He going somewhere in a trade. We offered the most - both make no mistake - he was in demand. The biggest part of the mistake was not overpaying for Brunell. It was that he no longer had the physical ability to WIN games for his team. As the first player decision made by Gibbs - it set the team WAY back. Even if someone else wanted him, it's hard to see how we would have been much worse off with other castoff qb's at that time like Warner or Garcia (who were cut) who are still playing with some degree of efficiency. For a long time I have believed that this is where it all began to go wrong. Gibbs should have just gone with Ramsey and Hasselbeck, seen what he had in OTA's and if he didn't like what he saw, he should have drafted a QB that FIRST year instead of Sean Taylor when Rivers, Eli, and Big Ben were in the draft (btw Big Ben was available when we picked). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 I disagree about Patten. He may have not put up gaudy numbers in 2005 but I think he drew enough attention to allow Moss to get more open. There was a strong correlation between when he got injured in the Tampa game that year and the decline in the productivity of the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 1) Brunell – 3rd round pick traded for a player who was going to be cut anyway. He was given a monster contract. He showed that he no longer had the athleticism or heart to be a winner in Washington. He delayed for 2 ½ years the process of trying out a potential young franchise qb.2) Not re-signing Antonio Pierce – by short changing him a little bit of money. He’s been steadfast in NY – we’re shorthanded and small in the middle. 3) Replacing Walt Harris with Kenny Wright. All you haters from last year – look at Harris’ stats from this year. 4) Not re-signing Ryan Clark. Nuff said. 5) Signing Archuleta. Nuf said. 6) Trading a 3rd and a 4th rounder for Brandon Lloyd and giving him a new contract when he was still under his rookie contract. May be that we even cut him this offseason. 7) Trading a 3rd and s 4th rounder for T. J. Duckett. He’s an UFA. Bye Bye. 8) Trading Champ Bailey for Portis and a 2nd rounder. At the time Denver said they would give us their 1st rounder for Bailey or give us Portis for a 1st and 2nd rounder. We mixed the two into one. Do you know who we could have picked with the Broncos’ 1st rounder? Stephen Jackson. A pro-bowler this year – runner in the Gibbs mold playing in his rookie contract for peanuts compared to Portis. This is no knock on Portis - he is a beast. Just not worth the price we paid. And we would have been better off going a different way. 9) Trading a HIGH 2nd rounder to move a few spots to pick Rocky MacIntosh and then not playing him all year anyway. 10) Signing FA David Patten – he’s done NOTHING in two years. 1) Agree... 2) Agree... 3) Don't agree...Wright probably would have played much better if signed by the 49ers while Harris would have performed much like Wright did this season (and like he himself did last season on a much better unit) if he had stayed... 4) Somewhat agree...wish we could have kept him, but he seemed intent on being the starter moreso than being on the team... 5) Somewhat agree...I'll wait another year before deeming it a top ten "worst move"... 6) Lloyd ain't going anywhere...that's just some fans' wishful thinking. Again, I'll give it another year before ranking this move... 7) Agree... 8) Don't agree...Portis is ridiculously important to this team and could easily make even the most jaded fan forget the 2nd rounder given up. I do wish we had not given up the 2nd rounder, but this trade hardly ranks in the top ten. 9) Don't agree. Again, too soon to rank this move as a top ten move...LBs becoming forces in their 2nd or third season isn't unusual, and if McIntosh lives up to his potential he'll be well worth the move up. 10) Agree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGibbsThickandthin Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 I find it funny everyone overrates Champ Bailey. He has not improved the Broncos one bit. The defense still gets toasted. And he was brought there to slow Payton Manning down and has not done that one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 The fact that there are 10 horrible moves in 3 years is disturbing, regardless of what the moves maybe.. But forget Gibbs. Some of you act like you just got in town. Stupid moves has been the calling card of the Redskins ever since Snyder bought the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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