Larry Brown #43 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 What do the following players have all have in common? Tom Brady Ray Lewis Carson Palmer Peyton Manning Larry Johnson LaDanian Lomlinson Shaun Alexander Torry Holt Steve Smith Brian Urlacher Donovan McNabb Tiki Barber Think about the answer before you scroll down... Aside from being among the elite players in the game, each of these players was drafted by his current team. How is that relevant to us? Simple. Teams who have players of this elite caliber on their roster do not let them get away through free agency. Sure, you can sign an Edgerrin James away from the Colts (How's that workin' out for ya, Arizona?). But Peyton Manning? Never. My point? You will almost never be able to sign a guy that a team cannot afford to lose. Think SF was broken-hearted when they dealt B. Lloyd to us and we signed Andre Carter away from them? I was very disturbed to hear Coach Gibbs on his radio show last night staunchly defending the way the organization acquires players. When the question came up, I was really hoping he would say something like, "We've learned a few things from some of the decisions we've made, and this is something we'll have to take a look at in the future." Instead, he offered no regrets, pointing to guys like Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, etc. Of course, He conveniently didn't mention Archuleta, Andre Carter, and the like. When you guess wrong on a draft pick, all you lose is the pick. When you guess wrong on a high-priced free agent, you can cripple both your immediate and future ability to improve. And I'm not even factoring in the locker room implications of--for example--having a megamillion dollar safety sitting on the bench. For years we heard that the Skins were facing imminent "Cap Hell," where we'd have to cut half our roster and field a team of rookie free agents. It never really came, and it probably never will. Cap Hell is not our problem. Our problem is we sign pretty average players to enormous contracts, which typically results in mediocre seasons. Why do we do it? Because we can't pry a LaDanian Tomlinson away from San Diego. Teams BUILD around guys like him. We're then left with the scraps, and we have to overpay to convince players to leave their teams. Sadly, with the mediocre players we continually sign, we don't even give ourselves a chance to get bad enough so that we can draft somebody great. Indy had to fail miserably to draft Peyton Manning. San Diego had to fail miserably to draft LT, and so on. Maybe when all is said and done, we'll have failed miserably this year. But of course, if we do, we'll find ourselves with one measly first-day draft pick in next year's draft, because we've already traded our picks for players who, right now, are contributing to the mess we're in. The answer? Do it the RIGHT way. HIRE someone who knows how to draft, because that person is not currently on the payroll (there's no salary cap on front office employees!). Build through the draft (you know, the way we did it back when we won all those Super Bowls?). Take your lumps if you have to (isn't that what we've been doing anyway?). And JUDICIOUSLY sign free agents only in places where you have obvious holes (we had Ryan Clark last year--that does NOT qualify as an obvious hole. We filled that supposed "hole" with two tons of quicksand.) And remember, resigning your own free agents is almost always less expensive and more effective than signing someone else's scraps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 these guys will never learn.. synder is too impatient.. look at all the previous superbowl winners.. all their so called stars are home grown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I wish we had San Diego's scouting department. That team is chock full of talent and so much depth. I'd make the argument that SD has been the best draftor over the past 10 years. Skins? We're 30th or close to it. The first step to correcting the problem is admitting you have one. As long as Gibbs sticks around and we acquire talent this way, the Skins will be a mediocre football team. At this point I hope Gibbs retires sooner than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveStrongSkins Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Thats why we are a below average football team. If a free agent is being let go by his team then obviously that team came to a conclusion you dont need that player to win. Snyder and co. disreguard for the draft is going to bite us in the ass in a big way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Brown #43 Posted November 22, 2006 Author Share Posted November 22, 2006 I wish we had San Diego's scouting department. That team is chock full of talent and so much depth. I'd make the argument that SD has been the best draftor over the past 10 years.Skins? We're 30th or close to it. The first step to correcting the problem is admitting you have one. As long as Gibbs sticks around and we acquire talent this way, the Skins will be a mediocre football team. At this point I hope Gibbs retires sooner than later. I actually don't have a problem with Gibbs the coach. I've seen him do it before. What I do have a problem with is our current setup for acquiring players. If you sign an Archuleta and a Carter to mega deals in the same offseason, and no one loses their job over it...something's not right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 At this point I hope Gibbs retires sooner than later. Et tu Illone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidernat Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 11. Please do not use the “Quote” feature to quote huge blocks of text or pictures. If you would like to respond to the contents of a particular post, simply quote the sentence or idea that you're commenting upon, not necessarily the entire post. It wastes space on the database and unnecessarily extends and clutters threads. Solid post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phixius Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 This team tries too hard to win championships and fail miserable. They tend to overdo thing, and never learn from it. Always changing players in the lineup when things dont work out as planned, expecting different result and dont get them. Then they want to change it up again. How many years will it take a FO with bunch of idiots to realize its not working, and it never will. Thats the only reason I like Marty as HC here. He was the only one that knew what he was doing, but Snyder didnt want to see it. Players that have leave from the Redskins have said it repeatedly that this team always making changes. We was a playoff team last season, and once again the FO over did it again. I dont need to explain what they did this offseason, everyone knows it, and its one of the reason we are struggling this season. This offseason the Skins need to stop overdoing things. Some of the offseason moves were unnessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapitalDefense Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 What do the following players all have in common? 2004 Tommie Harris 26 tackles 5 sacks Will Smith 37 tackles 6.5 sacks 2005 Shawn Merriman 32 tackles 8.5 sacks Demarcus Ware 42 tackles 6 sacks Redskins team as a whole..13 sacks Times up, The Redskins selected 2 players that play in the secondary when there front 4 and LB's had major issues at the time and they passed on all 4. Not to mention players like Trent Cole a 2005-5th rounder picked by the Eagles, has 8 sacks. Jared Allen a 2004-4th rounder who has 7 sacks. The sooner this team decides to fix there defensive line FIRST and get there coverage people after, the sooner we will start winning football games. Until that time, we will trot out 32 year old DE's who get pushed around by younger more athletic offensive lineman and we will suck on defense. Andre Carter does not count because he should be playing LBer....Mike Nolan thinks he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pungopal Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 We have done nothing with the draft since Bobby Beathard moved to the West Coast. He is the answer to SD's success over the past several years even though he is no longer officially their GM. Casserly was o.k. at first but I can spot talent better than "My Cousin Vinny". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins4eva Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Our front office, scouting dept, owner and franchise are a complete joke--we are the second worst franchise in the league behind Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tastes Like Chicken Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 nice post- makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUforREDSKINS Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 What do the following players have all have in common? Tom Brady Ray Lewis Carson Palmer Peyton Manning Larry Johnson LaDanian Lomlinson Shaun Alexander Torry Holt Steve Smith Brian Urlacher Donovan McNabb Tiki Barber Think about the answer before you scroll down... I was gonna say that they are all great players and none of the ever got bitten by snyders poisonus fangs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirtyfive2seven Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Sadly, with the mediocre players we continually sign, we don't even give ourselves a chance to get bad enough so that we can draft somebody great. This is the part that really hits home. If you think about it, that pretty much sums up the entire post. We will NEVER fix the problem because we keep on patching a leak here and there. The patch holds for about a season and we look decent. Instead of a wholesale change, we get yet another patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 this is the reason why we need to fail miserably with gibbs.. if we have a dream season like last year the spending will continue.. fail with gibbs and synder may soon realize Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I wish we had San Diego's scouting department. That team is chock full of talent and so much depth. I'd make the argument that SD has been the best draftor over the past 10 years.Skins? We're 30th or close to it. The first step to correcting the problem is admitting you have one. As long as Gibbs sticks around and we acquire talent this way, the Skins will be a mediocre football team. At this point I hope Gibbs retires sooner than later. It's sad because in 2004, the year Gibbs returned, the Chargers were much worse than us heading into that year's offseason/draft. While we spent a ton on veterans, the Chargers used the draft to end up getting a franchise QB AND a pick that landed them the to-be best OLB in the NFL the very next year. *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGSKINS Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 God help us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinzOwnU Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Sadly, with the mediocre players we continually sign, we don't even give ourselves a chance to get bad enough so that we can draft somebody great. I agree with most of what you have to say, except for this. Check out our draft pick at the end of this season. Or the one we got sean taylor with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0mega Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Holy hell does the truth hurt! :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampSkinsFanatic Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I just know we better sign Sean Taylor and Cooley when its time. I will be too pissed off if we dont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Brown #43 Posted November 22, 2006 Author Share Posted November 22, 2006 I agree with most of what you have to say, except for this. Check out our draft pick at the end of this season. Or the one we got sean taylor with. Well, we were in a position to draft Taylor because we were coming off a 5-11 season under Spurrier in which we were completely directionless, so it's not as if we were "building" toward anything at that point. And regarding the pick at the end of this year, I did address that in my original post: Indy had to fail miserably to draft Peyton Manning. San Diego had to fail miserably to draft LT, and so on. Maybe when all is said and done, we'll have failed miserably this year. But of course, if we do, we'll find ourselves with one measly first-day draft pick in next year's draft, because we've already traded our picks for players who, right now, are contributing to the mess we're in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Et tu Illone? Yep. It pains me to watch Gibbs have to go through all this. I'd rather see him retire than try to kill himself making this team better with overpaid players and marginal talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 It's sad because in 2004, the year Gibbs returned, the Chargers were much worse than us heading into that year's offseason/draft. I disagree. They were building for the future and they had a blue-print for it. Rather than panic and try to fix the team overnight, they quietly drafted better than anyone in the NFL for a couple years. Go back to 2002 when they drafted LT. They traded down that year, and passed on Michael Vick. In return for that pick they received: 2001 #5 pick overall 2001 3rd rounder 2002 2nd rounder WR Tim Dwight Then in 2004 when they drafted Eli Manning and traded him for Phillip Rivers, they received a stock pile of picks including a 2005 1st rounder with which they took Shawn Merriman. I'd say the Chargers you see on the field now is due to years of proper planning and building. The Skins on the other hand have gone the opposite direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 I keep seeing people talk about some guy named "SYnder". Anyone wanna let me in on just who this Mr. Synder is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kovachs Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 I'd say the Chargers you see on the field now is due to years of proper planning and building. The Skins on the other hand have gone the opposite direction. Absolutely. A plan that they followed for years. Scouting and developing players and working through the draft. How many free agents have the Chargers signed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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