Tony Romo vs Jason Campbell

[THEHEREAFTER]

I don't think either can be anointed the "real deal" yet. After 4 games, Gus Frerotte looked like the real deal too - he even went to a Pro Bowl. Jake PLummer looked like the real deal too - hardly the case.

There can be a litany of QBs who light the league up but falter when teams get the book on him. I will give Romo sits to pee credit, but I think some people are getting too excited here. The same goes for Campbell.

Great points but everyone has to start somewhere including those that are the "real deal" and those that aren't. Naturally you will continue to compare Romo sits to pee to the Gus Ferrote's of the world but he continues to impress week in and week out. It is early but his future looks very bright.

[Riggo#44]

Great points but everyone has to start somewhere including those that are the "real deal" and those that aren't. Naturally you will continue to compare Romo sits to pee to the Gus Ferrote's of the world but he continues to impress week in and week out. It is early but his future looks very bright.

I have been very impressed with what he has done. I am not going to take that away from him. And I agree with most of what you have said - he brings a passion and fire to that offense that has been missing there for sometime.

I get tired of Cowboys fans hailing Romo sits to pee as the next great thing - but downplay what Campbell did "because he did it against TB". Early indications are positive on both QBs. But to call either of them the real deal right now is entirely too premature. Those are the only reasons I bring up PLummer and Frerotte

[skins4eva]

I have been very impressed with what he has done. I am not going to take that away from him. And I agree with most of what you have said - he brings a passion and fire to that offense that has been missing there for sometime.

I get tired of Cowboys fans hailing Romo sits to pee as the next great thing - but downplay what Campbell did "because he did it against TB". Early indications are positive on both QBs. But to call either of them the real deal right now is entirely too premature. Those are the only reasons I bring up PLummer and Frerotte

Yes, both look good--a hell of a lot better than say, Elisha Manning. It's at least exciting. But, both fanbases were so sick of their respective starters that almost anything would seem better. It just so happens that the cowboys have responded to the change in qb, while the redskins...well, let's just say they didn't respond. But, it's ok, because Dan Snyder is still making money and Adam Arch is a great "teams" player.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH This season has made me sick!

[fuji869]

Kilmer vs. Staubauch

[Riggo#44]

Yes, both look good--a hell of a lot better than say, Elisha Manning. It's at least exciting. But, both fanbases were so sick of their respective starters that almost anything would seem better. It just so happens that the cowboys have responded to the change in qb, while the redskins...well, let's just say they didn't respond. But, it's ok, because Dan Snyder is still making money and Adam Arch is a great "teams" player.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH This season has made me sick!

Yeah well Dallas also has a defense...we don't. But considering it was without Portis and Moss, it was a damned fine game. Campbell was just SO much more comfortable in the pocket. If I saw Brunell pat the ball one more time, I really believe my head would have exploded...

[THEHEREAFTER]

I get tired of Cowboys fans hailing Romo sits to pee as the next great thing - but downplay what Campbell did "because he did it against TB". Early indications are positive on both QBs. But to call either of them the real deal right now is entirely too premature. Those are the only reasons I bring up PLummer and Frerotte

Agreed it's early. Jason gets to face an agressive Panthers D next week so he has a big test. Just be honest with me and this is where I run into problems with skins fans. If Jason's first 4 starts are anything like Romo sits to pee's let alone the starting record. You WOULD be labeling him the real deal and more. Everyone knows this. Even after Ramsey's impressive first playing time vs. Tennesse, he followed that up with a horrific performance vs. N.O. at home the following game.

[Riggo#44]

Agreed it's early. Jason gets to face an agressive Panthers D next week so he has a big test. Just be honest with me and this is where I run into problems with skins fans. If Jason's first 4 starts are anything like Romo sits to pee's let alone the starting record. You WOULD be labeling him the real deal and more. Everyone knows this. Even after Ramsey's impressive first playing time vs. Tennesse, he followed that up with a horrific performance vs. N.O. at home the following game.

Ugh - don't remind me...anything under Steve Inferior just makes me sick - like seeing your Dad naked sick...that's why they traded him for a 6th rd pick!

You're right - I would be just as excited a you. But then again you'd be saying it's too early as well! Gotta love fans' logic.

[WeownU]

Step 1: Grab foot by ankle

Step 2: Open Mouth

Step 3: Insert foot

Repeat as necessary.

Once again, you grace us with your complete lack of football acumen. You are ignoring what he did right before that. It helps to watch the game. On that play, Campbell rolled out, bought himself a ton of time, and got Derrick Brooks to bite on a pump fake - allowing that passing lane to open. Thanks for trying though. Very poised and patient on that play as well. But you see what you want to see....

I like how every says "poised in the pocket", they are shorthand for "ok the stats aren't great, but"............the kid sure has poise.

I admitted I didn't see the game, just the highlights. If you want to say he's great because he pump faked a play, ok, I'm not going to change your mind.

And who has Romo sits to pee played?

Carolina - I'll grant you good numbers - but the last three scroing drives: 14 yards, 32 yards, and 18 yards. The defense/special teams won the game here.

Arizona - #26 passing defense

Washington - #30 passing defense (and he lost, just to remind you)

Indianapolis - Where he did not play well..

He didn't play well against indy????? You're out of your godforsaken mind. 19-23????? Yes, he had a pick, but if you're going to say 19-23 isn't "playing well", arguing with you is a lost cause.

I thought you didn't watch the game? Or didn't see Campbell play - so how can you accurately assess how Campbell did? I am betting you're talking out of your *** again. Don't you bash Tr1 for that?.

Go look at the passing chart. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061119_WAS@TB

7 completions for 87 yards for non TE, or RB's. WOW !!!!!

12 completions for 114 yards for TE's and RB's.

Thats how I made my assessment. You must've been in the kitchen making yourself a sandwich when the TE's and the dumpoffs to RB's was going on.

Talk about putting your foot in your mouth. You're worse than tr1 :doh:

That's why I specifically said Romo sits to pee's 1st bit of action - he threw 3 picks. Fact. Not his 1st start, 1st bit of action..

I know why you said "first bit of action", because it helped your argument. I'm comparing Romo sits to pee's first start to Campbells first start. You know why? Because both of them knew for a week that they were going to get the start. That would hardly be fair in a comparison to use Romo sits to pee's first "bit of action" when he was thrust into a game with 1 minutes warning.

It is simply too easy to refute your arguments.

Stellar? I hardly call what he did against Indy at home stellar. He was stellar against 2 poor defenses and good against Carolina..

2nd highest rated passer in the NFL. Only behind Peyton Manning. If you don't call that stellar, there is no pleasing you and you will make yourself out to look foolish.

[praise_gibbs]

I like how every says "poised in the pocket", they are shorthand for "ok the stats aren't great, but"............the kid sure has poise.

I admitted I didn't see the game, just the highlights. If you want to say he's great because he pump faked a play, ok, I'm not going to change your mind.

Cover 2, jackhole. Poise is needed. If you want to say that Romo sits to pee is great because he played against far from good pass defenses and had a supportive running game then I am not going to change your mind.

No Moss

No Portis..

That says a lot about the guy STILL being able to throw 2 TD's and ZERO.. YES FRIGGIN ZERO INT'S.

He didn't play well against indy????? You're out of your godforsaken mind. 19-23????? Yes, he had a pick, but if you're going to say 19-23 isn't "playing well", arguing with you is a lost cause.

He did play well. Nothing ground shaking but, a win is a win is a win. You guys actually used what Indy gave you.. a crappy run defense and you took advantage. Something, I wished the Skins did. Running well opens up for the pass. Romo sits to pee was patient and took advantage.

Go look at the passing chart. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061119_WAS@TB

7 completions for 87 yards for non TE, or RB's. WOW !!!!!

12 completions for 114 yards for TE's and RB's.

Thats how I made my assessment. You must've been in the kitchen making yourself a sandwich when the TE's and the dumpoffs to RB's was going on.

Talk about putting your foot in your mouth. You're worse than tr1 :doh:

You take what the defenses give you. We have been getting a **** load of Cover 2's. COver 2's you must be patient and take the little dumpoffs. There is not a lot of opportunity to throw deep. When there is, you better complete it because they are few. We do not have a feared running game so they force JC to beat them with his arm. When there is nothing deep.. you check down. Didn't I hear that from a certain Cowboy fan in this thread? Learn from your own people.. they know what they are talking about.

I know why you said "first bit of action", because it helped your argument. I'm comparing Romo sits to pee's first start to Campbells first start. You know why? Because both of them knew for a week that they were going to get the start. That would hardly be fair in a comparison to use Romo sits to pee's first "bit of action" when he was thrust into a game with 1 minutes warning.

It is simply too easy to refute your arguments.

I can understand why you said this. Still.. two different styled offenses. You can't compare these two.

2nd highest rated passer in the NFL. Only behind Peyton Manning. If you don't call that stellar, there is no pleasing you and you will make yourself out to look foolish.

All the while these other QB's had more games to mess up their passer rating. Comparing 4 games to other QB's 10 is foolish. :doh:

[Riggo#44]

I like how every says "poised in the pocket", they are shorthand for "ok the stats aren't great, but"............the kid sure has poise.

I admitted I didn't see the game, just the highlights. If you want to say he's great because he pump faked a play, ok, I'm not going to change your mind.

You admitted you didn't watch the game, right? So how can you even attempt to make an accurate statement on how he played? You want to point to stats - but ignore dropped balls, no running game, had the ball for only 23 mins. Drove the team down, ran a 2 min drill to near perfection. God it's people like you that give Cowboys fans bad names. Ignore what you want - everyone w/o blue and silver goggles.

Arguing with you is a lost cause.

I feel the same way...

Go look at the passing chart. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061119_WAS@TB

7 completions for 87 yards for non TE, or RB's. WOW !!!!!

12 completions for 114 yards for TE's and RB's.

Thats how I made my assessment. You must've been in the kitchen making yourself a sandwich when the TE's and the dumpoffs to RB's was going on.

Talk about putting your foot in your mouth. You're worse than tr1 :doh:

Ah typical nearsighted arrogant Cowboys fan. Doesn't watch the game, pulls stats and makes idiotic assumptions - watch the tape. And you have yet to even acknowledge there was no Moss, no Portis and no Defense. You can pull a Peter King and pleasure yourself all you want to pictures of Tony Homo - that doesn't take away how well Campbell played. Even against Tampa.

I know why you said "first bit of action", because it helped your argument. I'm comparing Romo sits to pee's first start to Campbells first start. You know why? Because both of them knew for a week that they were going to get the start. That would hardly be fair in a comparison to use Romo sits to pee's first "bit of action" when he was thrust into a game with 1 minutes warning.

It is simply too easy to refute your arguments.

You haven't refuted a g-d thing - you've just pulled stats - yet you STILL ignore:

- No Portis

- No Moss

- 23 mins of TOP

And you already admitted that you didn't see him play!

2nd highest rated passer in the NFL. Only behind Peyton Manning. If you don't call that stellar, there is no pleasing you and you will make yourself out to look foolish.

Over 4 games - you know what? So was Tony Banks under Schottenheimer over a 5 game stretch...

[WeownU]

Ah typical nearsighted arrogant Cowboys fan. Doesn't watch the game, pulls stats and makes idiotic assumptions - watch the tape. .

You're own fans are saying the same thing too. You act like I'm in here blasting him. Read your own board much? :doh:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181622

You can pull a Peter King and pleasure yourself all you want to pictures of Tony Homo - that doesn't take away how well Campbell played. Even against Tampa.

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So you're telling me it doesn't take anything away from how well JC played even though it was tampa, but you completely discredit Romos play against

Carolina....on the road

Skins......on the road

Arizona...on the road

And a 9-0 Colts team at home.

Your posts aren't worth putting on toilet paper.

[Riggo#44]

You're own fans are saying the same thing too. You act like I'm in here blasting him. Read your own board much? :doh:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181622

So you're telling me it doesn't take anything away from how well JC played even though it was tampa, but you completely discredit Romos play against

Carolina....on the road - defense, special teams, not Romo sits to pee here.

Skins......on the road - #30

Arizona...on the road - #26

And a 9-0 Colts team at home - yes, surprising but not a "great" game. He played well, but not great. Colts were due for a loss - this game is in INdy and it's a different story

Answer three questions, since you love to run your mouth:

Did you watch the game?

Did Portis Play?

Did Moss Play?

Why don't you read once in a while! I have given Romo sits to pee credit, but you are calling him teh next great thing b/c he has beaten up poor defenses, and put Campbell down with comments like "dumpoffs" - when you clearly didn't watch the game - and "but it was the 29th ranked defense" on the road.

Let see what Romo sits to pee would do in Campbells' situation huh?

Your posts aren't worth putting on toilet paper.

Yeah that's probably b/c I shoot holes in your pathetic arguments and you just say the same thing over and over again (while ignoring very valid and important points like above) That and no one likes you.

[THEHEREAFTER]

You're right - I would be just as excited a you. But then again you'd be saying it's too early as well! Gotta love fans' logic.

Who are we kidding here? We're gonna back our teams and our guys. It's only fitting that the skins and Boys are now starting young guys who've replaced has been QB's. It pains me to admit that JC looked pretty poised in his first start but we have a larger sampling of Romo sits to pee albeit only by a few starts. It's getting harder and harder to continue to brush off Romo sits to pee's performances, leadership, qb ratings and now his level of competition. We still need to reserve this type of thread for the end of the season.

[Riggo#44]

Who are we kidding here? We're gonna back our teams and our guys. It's only fitting that the skins and Boys are now starting young guys who've replaced has been QB's. It pains me to admit that JC looked pretty poised in his first start but we have a larger sampling of Romo sits to pee albeit only by a few starts. It's getting harder and harder to continue to brush off Romo sits to pee's performances, leadership, qb ratings and now his level of competition. We still need to reserve this type of thread for the end of the season.

I agree - he looks good - it's getting harder and harder to ignore him (WeownU just makes it so easy though). I am really excited about Campbell - he looked like nothing phased him, and he had nothing around him. I just watched that 2nd TD - unbelievable throw. Had a guy in his face, put it where only Yoder could catch it - incredible catch too.

Actually I think this thread needs to be reserved for the end of next year.

[Chachie]

The comparisons can't be made yet. Jason's got one game. When and where was Romo sits to pee's FIRST NFL regular season appearance? Can comparisons be drawn there? Not sure because I think that was even in relief of Bledsoe some time last year, right?

[THEHEREAFTER]

All the while these other QB's had more games to mess up their passer rating. Comparing 4 games to other QB's 10 is foolish. :doh

Small sampling but he's thrown enough passes to and had enough starts to get an accurate measure of how he's performing. That's all it is, impressive nonetheless.

[THEHEREAFTER]

The comparisons can't be made yet. Jason's got one game. When and where was Romo sits to pee's FIRST NFL regular season appearance? Can comparisons be drawn there? Not sure because I think that was even in relief of Bledsoe some time last year, right?

Chachie he never took a snap until this year. He got in during garbage time against Tenn and only handed the ball off. He threw his first passes (and TD) in garbage time vs. Houston. His first significant action was of course the second half of the Giants game and his first start was @ Carolina.

[CPortJGibbs89]

I think Romo sits to pee is proving himself more and more every game and he gets props from me. You can not take that away from him at all. He looks like he will become a great QB but the book has not been written yet. Campbell looked good for his first start, but he only has played one game and we all know how Ramsey looked. I honestly think they both will be good QBs for years to come and we will make that the new sean taylor, roy williams arguement for me to poop on. Carry on fellas.

[kevin11]

Sure he checked down on the 3rd and 10, but you don't know what else was available. If nothing was out there, you're supposed to check down

"Go look at the passing chart. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061119_WAS@TB

7 completions for 87 yards for non TE, or RB's. WOW !!!!!

12 completions for 114 yards for TE's and RB's.

Thats how I made my assessment. You must've been in the kitchen making yourself a sandwich when the TE's and the dumpoffs to RB's was going on.

Talk about putting your foot in your mouth. You're worse than than TR1"

You just contradicted yourself so bad. If TE aren't supposed to get balls, why is WHitten catching them? Why do some TE go over 1000 yards and catch 5 or more TD passes?

[WeownU]

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You just contradicted yourself so bad. If TE aren't supposed to get balls, why is WHitten catching them? Why do some TE go over 1000 yards and catch 5 or more TD passes?

Son, I'm only going to say this one time.......Stay off the drugs.

Who said TE's aren't supposed to catch balls?

[kevin11]

By those posts you made, you make it sound like when a TE catches a ball, it is considered a dumboff. I went a little far with the TE thing, but when a QB gets 100 yards with anybody, it is 100 yards.

[WeownU]

By those posts you made, you make it sound like when a TE catches a ball, it is considered a dumboff. I went a little far with the TE thing, but when a QB gets 100 yards with anybody, it is 100 yards.

I didn't mean to imply, and I don't think I did, that when a TE catches a ball its a dumpoff. But usually it is a checkdown. Not to say there aren't specific pass plays designed for TE's, cause there most certainly are. Especially TE's as good as Cooley.

And I prefaced all of this with "I didn't see the game", but looking at the gamechart, there were ALOT of passes to TE's and RB's. Just an observation I made and found interesting because there was alot of complaining of checkdowns from Brunell thats all.

Did you get my drug reference? Its a great line from "Coming to America". I know your young, so you may not have seen it, but its a great flick you should check it out.

Anytime I see anyone say something that sounds odd, I think of that line in the movie........."Son, I'm only going to tell you this one time.....stay off the drugs"........ :laugh: Good stuff.

[kevin11]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1455908034

There is some footage of it if you want to check him out.

[MisterPinstripe]

I didn't mean to imply, and I don't think I did, that when a TE catches a ball its a dumpoff. But usually it is a checkdown. Not to say there aren't specific pass plays designed for TE's, cause there most certainly are. Especially TE's as good as Cooley.

:rubeyes::rubeyes:

The problem with brunell would be its 3rd and 12, and he throws a 3 yard pass to Betts who is covered and taken down right away. Stuff like that. I watched the WHOLE game and Campbell did a lot of stuff Brunell never really did. Like throw the ball deep. Its been awhile since I have seen that many deep balls from our QB. And a couple more of them should have been caught then what were. There were far more passes beyond 5 yards then with Brunell who has the large majority before 5 yards. Just goes to show its not the play calling, but Brunell would just not throw it deep. Campbell dumped the ball off only a couple times. And when he did he did because there was no other option while Brunell did it all the time. Thats good play from the QB. I am very happy with how he performed. Especially since it was his first game.

[skins4eva]

I didn't mean to imply, and I don't think I did, that when a TE catches a ball its a dumpoff. But usually it is a checkdown. Not to say there aren't specific pass plays designed for TE's, cause there most certainly are. Especially TE's as good as Cooley.

And I prefaced all of this with "I didn't see the game", but looking at the gamechart, there were ALOT of passes to TE's and RB's. Just an observation I made and found interesting because there was alot of complaining of checkdowns from Brunell thats all.

Did you get my drug reference? Its a great line from "Coming to America". I know your young, so you may not have seen it, but its a great flick you should check it out.

Anytime I see anyone say something that sounds odd, I think of that line in the movie........."Son, I'm only going to tell you this one time.....stay off the drugs"........ :laugh: Good stuff.

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