wpenn1 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I know this is sacra-religious around here but I'm starting to think Gibbs should go. By his own admission his sucess in the 80's and 90's were due to his work ethic where he would pretty much sleep at the park. Well he says he doesnt do that anymore and it shows. bad offense, bad defense, bad kicking game and undisciplined. who do you think should be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinzOwnU Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Gibbs doesn't have to go. I'm happy to keep him as head coach, and nothing but head coach. No personnel decisions. And if he wants an offensive coordinator, he has to let the offensive coordinator do his job. He needs to stop being in charge of anything, and stop being so "comfortable" in our player acquisition scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 snyder should be fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins4eva Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Snyder should do us all a favor and fire himself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Wu Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Snyder should do us all a favor and fire himself! FOR WHAT?? GIVING THE COACHES AND PLAYERS EVERYTHING THEY WANT??? Do you people think anymore or is it just reflex to spew out whatever crap pops into your heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins4eva Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 FOR WHAT??GIVING THE COACHES AND PLAYERS EVERYTHING THEY WANT??? Do you people think anymore or is it just reflex to spew out whatever crap pops into your heads. FOR WHAT???????? For making mistake after mistake year after year, for bilking the fans out of hard earned money to watch this pathetic excuse for a team, for refusing to hire a competent GM to run this organization, for letting core redskins leave to sign rejects like Adam A. You need to give the players and coaches what they NEED, not necessarily what they WANT. Give me a break :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redsknz4life Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 FOR WHAT??GIVING THE COACHES AND PLAYERS EVERYTHING THEY WANT??? Do you people think anymore or is it just reflex to spew out whatever crap pops into your heads. Basically....how is it Snyder's fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuryYourDuke Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I think Gibbs needs to stay, ask forgiveness, come back to Jesus, and fire Al Saunders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrhetzler Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 When we re-acquired Joe Gibbs, I was elated. My first thought was, "woo-hoo!" My next thought was, "If Joe Gibbs can't fix this organization, who can?" If Joe can't do it, nobody can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Wu Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 FOR WHAT???????? For making mistake after mistake year after year, for bilking the fans out of hard earned money to watch this pathetic excuse for a team, for refusing to hire a competent GM to run this organization, for letting core redskins leave to sign rejects like Adam A. You need to give the players and coaches what they NEED, not necessarily what they WANT. Give me a break :doh: That's semantics. Snyder gives Gibbs everything he says he needs to win. Blaming Snyder for this is completely backwards and makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Made Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Snyder needs to get rid of Vinny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 if I hear another "Thursday w/ Vinny" segment on Redskins Lunch, I'm gonna commit that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins4eva Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 That's semantics. Snyder gives Gibbs everything he says he needs to win. Blaming Snyder for this is completely backwards and makes no sense. Of course it makes sense--he's the ceo of this organization. The buck stops with him. He's one of the worst owners in the league--he never learns from his mistakes and he makes the same mistakes each and every year. Semantics?? Do you even know what that word means? It's not semantics, these are facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wounderfool Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Snyder should get rid of 650 pages in Al Saunder's playbook... get back to the basics... get the team healthy, get JC some snaps and regroup for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Wu Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Of course it makes sense--he's the ceo of this organization. The buck stops with him. He's one of the worst owners in the league--he never learns from his mistakes and he makes the same mistakes each and every year.Semantics?? Do you even know what that word means? It's not semantics, these are facts. So you thought it was a mistake to bring Gibbs back and give Gibbs everything he wanted? I thought that was a smart thing to do, and it showed he was learning from his mistakes. I thought Gibbs knew what he would need, and Snyder opened his checkbook (again) for players Gibbs and his staff chose. Do I know what semantics mean? You were splitting hairs between 'give them what they want' vs 'give them what they need'. You should know what that meant without drawing a distinction between 'want' vs 'need'. For purposes of this conversation you should assume that whatever Gibbs and his staff 'want', they actually think they need in order to win. Why are you wasting my time by having to explain that to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins n' Bones Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Vinny is the one that should be replaced with someone else that will have some different philosophies that can be incorporated and that will be able to stand up and say "no" to Gibbs when necessary. I love Gibbs as much as any Skins fan, but the man is human so he will make some mistakes/misjudgements, and having an different point of view in the FO would make them better. But with that said, this year's team's performance cannot be blamed on the FO.....the players and coaches are the ones that need to take ownership of their situation and step it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins4eva Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 So you thought it was a mistake to bring Gibbs back and give Gibbs everything he wanted? I thought that was a smart thing to do, and it showed he was learning from his mistakes. I thought Gibbs knew what he would need, and Snyder opened his checkbook (again) for players Gibbs and his staff chose.Do I know what semantics mean? You were splitting hairs between 'give them what they want' vs 'give them what they need'. You should know what that meant without drawing a distinction between 'want' vs 'need'. For purposes of this conversation you should assume that whatever Gibbs and his staff 'want', they actually think they need in order to win. Why are you wasting my time by having to explain that to you? No, it was not a mistake to bring back Gibbs. It was a mistake to bring back Gibbs and just give him a blank check with no experience in the salary cap era. It's a continuous mistake to keep Cerrato as a yes-man "GM" or whatever the hell his role is. If you know about organization behavior, you know that every organization in its attitude and performance takes its cues from the top and in a trickle down way, the entire organization is affected, good or bad. From my perspective, the buck stops with Synder, a man with a lot of money who doesn't know how to spend it when it comes to the redskins. He has no plan for building this franchise, for really building this franchise because he is impatient--what do you expect from a 30-something billionaire? He is impatient and he has always gotten what he's wanted. It would be one thing if he were able to learn from his mistakes, but he cannot nor does he seem willing. We see the same pattern each and every offseason, a team that blows off the draft, throws away money in free agency and then underperforms each season. The one exception to that pattern was last season, when ironically, we made almost no offseason moves at all. Coincidence? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal2Washington Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 No, it was not a mistake to bring back Gibbs. It was a mistake to bring back Gibbs and just give him a blank check with no experience in the salary cap era. It's a continuous mistake to keep Cerrato as a yes-man "GM" or whatever the hell his role is. If you know about organization behavior, you know that every organization in its attitude and performance takes its cues from the top and in a trickle down way, the entire organization is affected, good or bad. From my perspective, the buck stops with Synder, a man with a lot of money who doesn't know how to spend it when it comes to the redskins. He has no plan for building this franchise, for really building this franchise because he is impatient--what do you expect from a 30-something billionaire? He is impatient and he has always gotten what he's wanted. It would be one thing if he were able to learn from his mistakes, but he cannot nor does he seem willing. We see the same pattern each and every offseason, a team that blows off the draft, throws away money in free agency and then underperforms each season. The one exception to that pattern was last season, when ironically, we made almost no offseason moves at all. Coincidence? I think not. First off Cerrato makes about as many decisions as any of us do, he's drawing a check to be Snyders best friend. Gibbs has final say over EVERYTHING regarding the roster, don't fool yourself. We would not be 6-3 right now if Cerrato was gone. Snyder can't win with most fans, he was to hands on with Norv, not patient enough with Marty, to dumb to realize Spurrier wasn't an NFL head coach, and now to patient with Gibbs. Make your mind up or is there a little Snyder in some of use? Gibbs said he needed some WR depth, Snyder gave it to him. GW said he needed a pass rusher and upgrade at safety, guess what Snyder gave it to him. Snyder signed who the coaching staff told him to sign and has followed all of Gibbs orders to the tee yet he still can't win with the fans. Name one NFL head coach that would hate to be in Gibbs shoes, just one. If Gibbs said he needed a real GM then Snyder would get whoever Gibbs wanted. To lay this mess at the feet of Snyder shows a complete misunderstanding of what has happened the last three years, Snyder has taken a back seat to the coach and signed the checks, I thought that's what we wanted him to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Dan Snyder!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins4eva Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 First off Cerrato makes about as many decisions as any of us do, he's drawing a check to be Snyders best friend. Gibbs has final say over EVERYTHING regarding the roster, don't fool yourself. We would not be 6-3 right now if Cerrato was gone.Snyder can't win with most fans, he was to hands on with Norv, not patient enough with Marty, to dumb to realize Spurrier wasn't an NFL head coach, and now to patient with Gibbs. Make your mind up or is there a little Snyder in some of use? Gibbs said he needed some WR depth, Snyder gave it to him. GW said he needed a pass rusher and upgrade at safety, guess what Snyder gave it to him. Snyder signed who the coaching staff told him to sign and has followed all of Gibbs orders to the tee yet he still can't win with the fans. Name one NFL head coach that would hate to be in Gibbs shoes, just one. If Gibbs said he needed a real GM then Snyder would get whoever Gibbs wanted. To lay this mess at the feet of Snyder shows a complete misunderstanding of what has happened the last three years, Snyder has taken a back seat to the coach and signed the checks, I thought that's what we wanted him to do? How can you not lay this mess at his feet???? He is the leader of this organization. It's like saying George Bush has no responsibility for the war in Iraq because he gave the generals everything they needed. It's ridiculous to me. And, do you really believe Synder has taken a back seat? He's out there every offseason flying redskins one around like airforce one, signing every overrated free agent to ridiculous contracts. That's the way this team does business. He could just as easily say, you know what, some of these free agent aquisitions have not worked, let's build through the draft. Even in hiring Gibbs, Synder was looking for the quick fix, hoping and praying that the legendary coach could get him out of hot water and fix all of his mistakes. Never did it occur to Snyder that the game and era in which Gibbs coached and succeeded had ended. Sorry, but when I see this type of continual disfunction in the organization, I tend to place the blame on the CEO. Gibbs certainly deserves his share of the blame as well. He's made mistake after mistake after mistake: shortening training camp with an entirely new offense to work on, bringing in this pathetic class of free agents while letting better players or at least players who knew the system leave, sticking with old-man winter as our qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4comp Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 what is "sarareligious?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyriggins Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Snyder is the reason we dont have an GM. Why does Vinny take some much heat from you guys? You all are giving him credit for having more power than what he really does! He is more like Danny's secreatry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir L Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Why doesnt anyone blame Gibbs and Gregg Williams. They have large inputs over who comes in. Gibbs is the one who signs off on everything. You guys are still stuck in 1991 and in the 80's when Gibbs won for us. I dont think anyone needs to be fired we need to keep our team together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir L Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 We meed a fired up coach who is a motivator and always pissed off. I think if Gibbs doesnt win by next year he will retire himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAFGA Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Who should Snyder get rid of? Himself. Football guys who can run the front office won't come here because Snyder gets in the way too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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