spidernat Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Yes, but would he be willing to work FOR a GM now?I have no doubt Gibbs would be willing to bring in a GM to take some of his personel responsibilties from him, but he would still want final say on all personel matters. How would that fix the problem? I mentioned this in Die Hard's thread. This week I saw an interview with Gibbs on the Ch.4 Gibbs Show and Gibbs made a comment about the FO setup that was this, "I'm really comfortable with our setup". What came to mind to me when I heard this was that perhaps it's not such a good thing that Gibbs is so "comfortable". Maybe we need someone in place that Gibbs has to answer to. Snyder is in that role now, but let's face it, he's one of us. He (we) defer to the man who brought us our greatest era of football. I think we may now need someone who isn't so blinded by the past glory of our coaching staff. :2cents: I saw that interview and you made a very good point. Does anyone here that remembers the first Gibbs era see a significant difference in Gibbs' demeanor and attitude this time around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 My car broke down not long ago. It wouldn't start. Wouldn't even turn over. I thought for a second it could have been the battery... but it is a Sears Die Hard battery, and I just purchased it... so it couldn't be that. So I checked the coil. The plugs. I replaced the starter. Fuses. I've had mechanics look at it... each time I've said not to bother checking the battery... after all, it's brand new and it's a Sears Die Hard. Well, I've spent thousands and its still not fixed. I plan on rebuilding the engine tomorrow. ...... Anyone wanna guess the flawed logic in the above? (yeah, I know it sucks, but it's impromptu, so cut me some slack ) Ask yourself... what's been the constant since Snyder has taken over the team? Snyder himself. Every other variable has been changed... dozens of times. If the Redskins were a car... I know what I'd change next. It ain't Gibbs. ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbuzz1962 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Gibbs has lost his touch with reality. To watch the offense we all have seen all season long, and continue with the bs in his pressers about it starting with him, and the coaches, and we need to see the film. HELLO, it's the same damn film week after week Joe, what the hell do you need to see on film? Your quarterback getting his ass kicked. Your quarterback overthrowing short passes. Your quarterback unable to score a damn touchdown. What the hell do you need to see on film? Please I really want to know what it is you haven't already seen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I understand, you are from WV:( Doesn't this make this your 3rd personal attack on someone today? Let me check. Yup. Take a few to review the Forum Rules. When you have a better understanding of them, let me know & we'll discuss re-instating your posting privilege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidernat Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 My car broke down not long ago.It wouldn't start. Wouldn't even turn over. I thought for a second it could have been the battery... but it is a Sears Die Hard battery, and I just purchased it... so it couldn't be that. So I checked the coil. The plugs. I replaced the starter. Fuses. I've had mechanics look at it... each time I've said not to bother checking the battery... after all, it's brand new and it's a Sears Die Hard. Well, I've spent thousands and its still not fixed. I plan on rebuilding the engine tomorrow. ...... Anyone wanna guess the flawed logic in the above? (yeah, I know it sucks, but it's impromptu, so cut me some slack ) Ask yourself... what's been the constant since Snyder has taken over the team? Snyder himself. Every other variable has been changed... dozens of times. If the Redskins were a car... I know what I'd change next. It ain't Gibbs. ..... Last time I checked it's not that easy to fire the owner :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Yes, but would he be willing to work FOR a GM now? Of course he would. We need someone to manage our personel and determine the players WORTH keeping before it's too late. Gibbs said he wanted to keep Ryan Clark so why didn't we? What really worries me the most about this whole thing is that Gibbs in the past was such a good people person. Why did he not know that Ryan Clark was important to the locker room and chemistry of this football team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share Posted November 13, 2006 So if he just makes the deals, is that not the most important thing. That is half the game. If you make better deals, like not giving Arch a huge contract, maybe you can afford a better safety. If you are doing deals, maybe you can keep Smoot and Peice. Doing the deals and negotiate for players is half the battle. That speaks to your depth and salary cap room. If Vinny is doing the deals, he is responsible for giving up a third round pick for Duckette and Brunell. by deals, i meant helping negotiate contracts. and if vinny is as bad as you say he is, why doesn't gibbs can his ass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Last time I checked it's not that easy to fire the owner :laugh: And that is why it sucks to be a fan of the Washington Redskins Oh well... they're my team no matter what... I'll bend over some more, as usual... :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Gibbs has taken, and will continue to take, all responsibility for the losses this team has suffered. Certainly, he wants to win as much or more than we do, and no doubt he's doing everything he can to win. Thing is, you seem to want blood. You want Gibbs to call out players in public. Well, guess what? As soon as you start doing that, you are going to lose the team. Players aren't going to respect you. It is obvious that something has gone wrong with the plan this year. Some things may be able to be addressed during the season, some things may have to do with replacing certain players in the offseason. You want him to change things that YOU view are problems. Well, they may be problems, they may not be. While Vinny runs the scouting department, Gibbs and his staff choses the players. Are the offensive line problems Buges, or is it the players? Maybe the offensive problems are bigger than Brunell. (It certainly seems that way to me.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I cast my vote for douchebag. Isn't he a Pukes fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share Posted November 13, 2006 My car broke down not long ago.It wouldn't start. Wouldn't even turn over. I thought for a second it could have been the battery... but it is a Sears Die Hard battery, and I just purchased it... so it couldn't be that. So I checked the coil. The plugs. I replaced the starter. Fuses. I've had mechanics look at it... each time I've said not to bother checking the battery... after all, it's brand new and it's a Sears Die Hard. Well, I've spent thousands and its still not fixed. I plan on rebuilding the engine tomorrow. ...... Anyone wanna guess the flawed logic in the above? (yeah, I know it sucks, but it's impromptu, so cut me some slack ) Ask yourself... what's been the constant since Snyder has taken over the team? Snyder himself. Every other variable has been changed... dozens of times. If the Redskins were a car... I know what I'd change next. It ain't Gibbs. ..... zoony, i understand your logic. but what has snyder done to prohibit gibbs from getting this thing right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share Posted November 13, 2006 Maybe the offensive problems are bigger than Brunell. (It certainly seems that way to me.) anyone say it wasn't? :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Of course he would. We need someone to manage our personel and determine the players WORTH keeping before it's too late. Gibbs said he wanted to keep Ryan Clark so why didn't we? What really worries me the most about this whole thing is that Gibbs in the past was such a good people person. Why did he not know that Ryan Clark was important to the locker room and chemistry of this football team? You really think Gibbs is willing to relinquish President of Football Operations? He got into a power struggle with Bobby Beathard and won. Since then, Gibbs has never really had a boss who would say NO to him. JKC revered him (hence Beathard losing the battle) Casserly was a lackey He was/is the master of Joe Gibbs Racing Snyder worships him and gave him carte blanche in running the Skins I just don't see Joe Gibbs at age 65 or 66 willing to now work for someone else and be told NO you can't do that Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 The only way anyone can blame Snyder for this is admitting that hiring Gibbs was a mistake. I just don't see how anyone can say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mi6 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Coach Gibbs was a Hall of Famer. But, his current stint leaves alot to be desired. The front office has done a poor job of evaluating talent. The trades that we have made ... for the most part haven't worked out. The draft choices leave a lot to be desired. Which team has had their highly touted 1st round draft choice for whom you traded the house (3 draft choices including a 1st round choice) sitting on the bench? Some 1st round QB sat a year, but all of them are playing. When will Jason play? If he is a bust, and the coaches think he is ... then time for us to get an insurance policy by getting Troy Smith or Brady Quinn. The play calling is just horrible. On offense we are offensive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I just don't see Joe Gibbs at age 65 or 66 willing to now work for someone else and be told NO you can't do that Joe. You might be right. If so, then this is really Gibbs fault for putting his own ego ahead of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 zoony, i understand your logic. but what has snyder done to prohibit gibbs from getting this thing right? A complete lack of leadership from the very top. College coaches waltzing into Washington and naming their terms... Snyder bends right over for them. What have they done in the NFL? Nothing. That coach wants Wuerffel and Trung Canidate? Sure says Snyder... anything you want Mr. Spurrier. Then comes Gibbs... hasn't been in coaching in fifteen years. Snyder makes him GM/PRes/HC.... STep right up, step right up... put your mark on this franchise. Come on down to DC... experiment a little, rebuild the franchise... if it doesn't work, fine! You can leave in 2 years and we'll find someone else! Snyder knows as much about leadership as I do about fantasy football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCsportsfan53 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 zoony, i understand your logic. but what has snyder done to prohibit gibbs from getting this thing right? Exactly. What I would like to know is who made the final decision that Pierce and Clark weren't worth keeping? We know from what's been said by players and coaches alike that these guys were the heart of our defense, the guys everyone drew inspiration from, rallyed around and made the team a team, not a collection of players. We know they knew this of them. Does Gregg Williams have final say on defensive personnel? It just seems to me that Gibbs would be the kind of man who would keep the guys who were clearly of superior character, heart, passion and leadership, at ANY and ALL cost. Surely he of of all people understands what those kind of guys mean to a team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 And I think it is worth mentioning that the very fact that Snyder consistently has put himself in a position where he reaps 10000 percent of the profit but none of the blame speaks volumes about him as a leader... and as a person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share Posted November 13, 2006 Then comes Gibbs... hasn't been in coaching in fifteen years. Snyder makes him GM/PRes/HC.... zoony, something tells me you didn't feel that way in january of '04. so you're saying that hiring gibbs was a mistake? Snyder knows as much about leadership as I do about fantasy football. dude, danny can't be that bad. :laugh: as to the rest of your post, it fails to answer the question. what has snyder done to prohibit gibbs from getting this thing right in 3 years? college coaches waltzing in has zero to do with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 What I would like to know is who made the final decision that Pierce and Clark weren't worth keeping? The salary cap, pure and simple. Minnesota and NY offered contracts that we couldn't match. It is as simple as that. Yet, fans don't like that answer. They like to pretend that the cap doesn't exist for us. Zoony: So, Snyder finally brings in a football guy to run the franchise, and that still doesn't make you happy? I don't think anyone short of Ron Wolf in the position would make you happy. anyone say it wasn't? will you tell that to brunell? It certainly sounds like you are. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCsportsfan53 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 zoony, something tells me you didn't feel that way in january of '04. so you're saying that hiring gibbs was a mistake?dude, danny can't be that bad. :laugh: as to the rest of your post, it fails to answer the question. what has snyder done to prohibit gibbs from getting this thing right in 3 years? college coaches waltzing in has zero to do with that. I think he's saying giving him control of EVERYTHING after 15 years was a mistake, not that Gibbs shouldn't have been hired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 zoony, something tells me you didn't feel that way in january of '04. so you're saying that hiring gibbs was a mistake? Well of course not... but hindsight is 20-20. The way to be thinking about this scenario is that Marty should have been here in Jan of 2004... establishing a winner... and JG would not have even been approached for the job. dude, danny can't be that bad. :laugh: well maybe I'm exageratting... but he does suck LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFan06 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Gibbs is obviously not taking control of the team or holding people accountabel and its hurting us in games...He's part of why we're 3-6, a big part... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share Posted November 13, 2006 TIt certainly sounds like you are. Jason like how you put brunell in there, but left out buges and vinny. whatever works for you. Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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